The Fast and the Furious: Hobbs and Shaw

[The Chris]

I was a little confused about Michelle's anger about the women here since it seems the series has a lot of cool female characters to go with the alphas, and just added another one with Vanessa Kirby's character.

Also i think a big difference between this and the MCU is that all those actors have their own franchises within that giant series, where honestly here Rock and Statham are the only ones who should be getting their own movie.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Also the lack of Black and Asian women in this franchise is very shocking. For a franchise that preaches diversity, those two categories are lacking.

 

[Asr]

^ Devon Aoki was in 2F2F and Nathalie Emmanuel was in F7. But agreed, they're definitely underrepresented in the franchise compared to Latins. The franchise has felt more Latin-centric than anything else since it started, at least up to F7.

I've never paid much attention to the background extras, but I'd bet the Black and Asian actresses filling that quota are in there somewhere in the early F&F movies.

 

[Dr. Evil]

^ Devon Aoki was in 2F2F and Nathalie Emmanuel was in F7. But agreed, they're definitely underrepresented in the franchise compared to Latins. The franchise has felt more Latin-centric than anything else since it started, at least up to F7.

Aoki has not returned and Emmanuel has been in the last two and that's it.

 

[TheVileOne]

Also the lack of Black and Asian women in this franchise is very shocking. For a franchise that preaches diversity, those two categories are lacking.

Sort of a weak complaint when you look at the diversity among their main cast.

 

[Asr]

Sort of a weak complaint when you look at the diversity among their main cast.

Not to nitpick, but there's not really a whole lot of diversity in the main cast when you stop and think about it. Most of the characters that have recurred throughout the franchise have included a set of: 1 token white guy (Paul Walker), 1 half-black guy (Vin Diesel), 2 black guys (Tyrese and Ludacris), and 2 latin women (Michelle Rodriguez and Jordana Brewster)—so that's basically just white, black, and latin. Aside from Tokyo Drift which was set in Japan, there's been a lack of Asians, Middle-Easterners, and you could even make an argument for white people if you wanted to—for a franchise that could've done it if it wanted to, there hasn't been a blonde actress, and there certainly haven't been any white actors from other countries like Canada, England, or mainland Europe playing on the side of the "good guys".

 

[TheVileOne]

Not to nitpick, but there's not really a whole lot of diversity in the main cast when you stop and think about it. Most of the characters that have recurred throughout the franchise have included a set of: 1 token white guy (Paul Walker), 1 half-black guy (Vin Diesel), 2 black guys (Tyrese and Ludacris), and 2 latin women (Michelle Rodriguez and Jordana Brewster)—so that's basically just white, black, and latin. Aside from Tokyo Drift which was set in Japan, there's been a lack of Asians, Middle-Easterners, and you could even make an argument for white people if you wanted to.

It is nitpicking. Also try telling your description of Vin Diesel to President Obama and his voters.

Based on your own description, you described a main cast that's primarily made up of ethnic minorities. So how is it not diverse?

 

[Asr]

It is nitpicking. Also try telling your description of Vin Diesel to President Obama and his voters.

Based on your own description, you described a main cast that's primarily made up of ethnic minorities. So how is it not diverse?

I wasn't sure what Vin Diesel actually is, so I was just going off of Google.

The point I meant to make is that featuring just 2 recurring ethnic minorities (latin and black) in a supposed "multi-racial" franchise doesn't really make it diverse, particularly when those tend to be the best-represented minorities in Hollywood and entertainment. Hollywood's been historically terrible about featuring other ethnic minorities, particularly in anything other than villain roles.

 

[TheVileOne]

In the case of this franchise, it's a weak and flimsy complaint at best.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Sort of a weak complaint when you look at the diversity among their main cast.

Just a minor nitpick.

 

[The Chris]

In the case of this franchise, it's a weak and flimsy complaint at best.

It is definitely still the most diverse franchise out there right now, both in front and behind the camera (I think Hobbs and Shaw was the 1st one directed by a white man since the very 1st film. The rest have had either a black director or an Asian director i think). I still remember how excited a lot of me and my friends were when we realized how most of us were represented in Fast Five. Black, white, asian, latino, samoan. We didn't see that much at all back then. A movie that represented how high school actually looked like for me.

 

[TheVileOne]

It is definitely still the most diverse franchise out there right now, both in front and behind the camera (I think Hobbs and Shaw was the 1st one directed by a white man since the very 1st film. The rest have had either a black director or an Asian director i think). I still remember how excited a lot of me and my friends were when we realized how most of us were represented in Fast Five. Black, white, asian, latino, samoan. We didn't see that much at all back then. A movie that represented how high school actually looked like for me.

I mean, if diversity in these types of things is an important factor for you, Fast and Furious has really been doing it longer and better than really anyone else at this point. Including Marvel, Disney, DC, WB, etc.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Not to nitpick, but there's not really a whole lot of diversity in the main cast when you stop and think about it. Most of the characters that have recurred throughout the franchise have included a set of: 1 token white guy (Paul Walker), 1 half-black guy (Vin Diesel), 2 black guys (Tyrese and Ludacris), and 2 latin women (Michelle Rodriguez and Jordana Brewster)—so that's basically just white, black, and latin. Aside from Tokyo Drift which was set in Japan, there's been a lack of Asians, Middle-Easterners, and you could even make an argument for white people if you wanted to—for a franchise that could've done it if it wanted to, there hasn't been a blonde actress, and there certainly haven't been any white actors from other countries like Canada, England, or mainland Europe playing on the side of the "good guys".

Dwayne Johnson is Samoan and half black. Sung Kang is Korean and there has been a White European female in Elsa Pataky as Elena Neves. Charlize Theron was in the last movie and she's Afrikaner (White South African of Dutch lineage)

 

[TheVileOne]

Dwayne Johnson is Samoan. Sung Kang is Korean and there has been a White European female in Elsa Pataky as Elena Neves. Charlize Theron was in the last movie and she's Afrikaner.

Johnson is African Samoan mixed.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Johnson is African Samoan mixed.

Yeah I fixed that.

Excited to see how cheesy John Cena will be in this franchise.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I was a little confused about Michelle's anger about the women here since it seems the series has a lot of cool female characters to go with the alphas, and just added another one with Vanessa Kirby's character.

Also i think a big difference between this and the MCU is that all those actors have their own franchises within that giant series, where honestly here Rock and Statham are the only ones who should be getting their own movie.

The female characters are really poorly written and that is before we get into how they are generally used and the crap ton of male gaze. Also the women are pretty expendable compared to the male characters. How many regular female characters have there been over the last 5 movies and how many of them have been killed off or at least disappeared for a movie or two?

I think this is a good example of the general way these apparently "badass women" are really treated in the series.

https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/o...ga=2.108489675.814854203.1550547036-sr8ck2lee

Lucky for Hattie Shaw (played by Vanessa Kirby), she has both a brother in Deckard Shaw (Jason Statham), and a romantic interest in Luke Hobbs, and they’ll stop at nothing to protect her. She may be a skilled, intelligent, exceptionally competent MI6 agent but feminine weakness being what it is, she cannot possibly pull this off alone. She is also weirdly barefoot for much of the movie, and while Hobbs and Shaw are lit from within and full of vim and vigor throughout most of their skirmishes, Hattie’s cat-eye makeup looks like it was applied by a literal cat. As Hobbs and Shaw attempt to take down Lore’s nefarious plan and save Hattie from imminent death, the duo also manage to destroy a double-decker bus, several glass-walled rooms, a secret lair the size of the UN building, the coastline of Samoa, and an abandoned nuclear power plant that is—if we’ve learned anything about subtlety in the F&F universe—probably meant to be Chernobyl. They also make ample time for love-hate, buddy-comedy banter that never seems to end. And you want to know the worst part? There is hardly even the whiff of a car chase until roughly 45 minutes in.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

By the way, it is hilarious that Tyrese started talking crap to the Rock. How many blockbusters does Tyrese have to his name, where he is the actual star?

 

[Dr. Evil]

By the way, it is hilarious that Tyrese started talking crap to the Rock. How many blockbusters does Tyrese have to his name, where he is the actual star?

This is the only blockbuster franchise that Tyrese has. Imagined if he had been acting like this in the MCU.

 

[The Chris]

The female characters are really poorly written and that is before we get into how they are generally used and the crap ton of male gaze. Also the women are pretty expendable compared to the male characters. How many regular female characters have there been over the last 5 movies and how many of them have been killed off or at least disappeared for a movie or two?

I think this is a good example of the general way these apparently "badass women" are really treated in the series.

https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/o...ga=2.108489675.814854203.1550547036-sr8ck2lee

Haven't all of them skipped a movie or two here? Vin skipped 2 and 3 until his cameo. Paul skipped 3. Tyrese and ludacris jumped from 2 to 5. Don Omar and his friend skipped 6 & 7 (or 8 i don't remember). Vince got killed off in 5, Han killed in 3 and 6, Giselle in 6, jordana skipped 8 which made sense. Michelle only skipped 5 before becoming the main story of 6, natalie is now on her 3rd in a row, Elsa was in 4 in a row before dying and now you have Helen Mirren and Charlize Theron coming back. Now Rock and Statham are skipping 9. So in terms of the deaths we've had two men and two women get killed off.

Also that article seems very selective in its points. None of them could do it alone, not just her. Also she 's barefoot for what, the cia attack scene? Anywhere else? Was that a complaint in Mission Impossible Rogue Nation too? And yeah you've had the male gaze thing there, most definitely, but they've done it a few times with guys too, mainly Vin in the 1st one and Rock in Hobbs and Shaw.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Haven't all of them skipped a movie or two here? Vin skipped 2 and 3 until his cameo. Paul skipped 3. Tyrese and ludacris jumped from 2 to 5. Don Omar and his friend skipped 6 & 7 (or 8 i don't remember). Vince got killed off in 5, Han killed in 3 and 6, Giselle in 6, Michelle only skipped 5 before becoming the main story of 6, natalie is now on her 3rd in a row and now you have Helen Mirren and Charlize Theron coming back.

Since the 4th movie, when they established this general style, how many movies have the main male cast missed? What happened to Pataky as well?

Also again, it is the function of the female characters. It's actually rather bad even by modern blockbuster standards. Emmaunel has been in how many movies and has really done what exactly? There are a lot of 80s action stereotypes that really disregard the females characters as characters in their own right.

You bring up the 6th movie. It is a perfect example. She isn't the main story in 6. She is there to service Vin's story. It's about his journey to get her back. And in that movie they sidelined Pataky (she literally has sex with Vin and then disappears), killed off Gal and did away with Carano.

Also notice how the female characters almost always seem to have some sort of relationship with one of the main male characters (love interest or family member) or how many times the female characters end up in their bikini or underwear, where that is the emphasis? Hell there are scenes there just for the main male characters to gawk. It's bad.

 

[TheVileOne]

The female characters are really poorly written and that is before we get into how they are generally used and the crap ton of male gaze. Also the women are pretty expendable compared to the male characters. How many regular female characters have there been over the last 5 movies and how many of them have been killed off or at least disappeared for a movie or two?

I think this is a good example of the general way these apparently "badass women" are really treated in the series.

https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/o...ga=2.108489675.814854203.1550547036-sr8ck2lee

I mean they killed Gal Gadot and Elsa Pataky's characters, but they've killed off male regulars as well.

 

[terry78]

Basically these are 80s action movies. With all the baggage that implies. That's how you have to look at this franchise.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

This is the only blockbuster franchise that Tyrese has. Imagined if he had been acting like this in the MCU.

How does Transformers stack up in the blockbuster sweepstakes. He was an USAF Combat Controller on the special forces team. While his character retired from the USAF he also made an appearance as a civilian.

 

[The Chris]

His last appearance in that series was 8 years ago though. Josh Duhamel was brought back before him.

 

[Stringer]

The FF Universe has its issues, but diversity isn't really one of them. And I say that as a person that's always checking for these things in movies. They were doing it long before Marvel for on that bandwagon.