The Dark Knight The Fate of Two Face

[VoiceOfReason]

Look, clearly Batman can fall from a high-ass tower in Gotham WITH a girl on top of him and still survives the fall after crashing into a cab. He can absorb bullet impact. What makes you think a three-story fall is going to make any sort of difference? A three story
fall can easily kill a human, and so saying that the fall wasn't enough to kill Two-Face is absurd. People have died falling off of ONE story structures (if you hit your head hard enough, you're a goner). So, it's reasonable to assume that Batman survived the fall because he's wearing armor. It's also reasonable to assume that an unprotected human would not survive that fall.

Besides, Two-Face's story was clearly wrapped up. Bringing him "back from the dead" would simply nullify Batman's sacrifice unless they have him locked up somewhere where he can't come into any contact with the outside world, in order to keep his memory alive. However, I don't feel that he could possibly provide any more depth to the story other than his newfound hatred for an indecent world, and his thirst for revenge as a result of Rachel's death -- I think we've explored the notion enough, and we clearly see the results of this hatred, as well as its implications on Gotham as well as Batman.

Aaron plays a brilliant Two-Face, I'd agree -- but unfortunately I think that that small gem of time in which he is on-screen is all we're going to get. His story has come to a close, and they're changing the direction of the plot by making Batman the martyr.

Bringing back Two-Face would be cumbersome, as the Joker is still alive -- and if they are going to introduce more villains, you're in danger of having too many characters at the expense of thinned development. I think Two-Face's story has gone through its motions, and they are moving on to other things.

And thus, I say, RIP Harvey Dent

 

[Mr. Socko]

I hate when they kill off a character that is not in context with the comic book cannon. My thought is Harvey can be brought back as an agent of Chaos by Ra’s al Ghul. The 3rd installment could introduce Talia, the Return of Ra’s, the Lazarus Pit, which could resurrect Harvey, side effects from the Pit include increased strength and temporary insanity, too which Harvey could look normal again maybe with the two tone hair(half shocking white) also the insanity could cause him to disfigure his face again. The pits are only used once for a resurrection so he’d have to avoid falls from now on! The whole third movie could be a gangster driven film, pull in Killer Croc for a new villain. Have Batman question his one rule, the Joker would be great as well, but the Ledger dilemma would have to be answered.

I love me some comic book type reasoning but I think this is going too far, at least for this series of Batman.

Ra's is fine but I wouldn't want Dent being brought back by the Pit.

 

[vibeke_T]

he's alive...

 

[kmonty]

Are we even sure it's a memorial? I literally left the theater with the impression that he survived. It didn't even occur to me that he died.

I thought the ceremony after was a press conference. They were announcing that they had found Dent alive after he had gone missing after the hospital. After the movie, my friends were all surprised at my thoughts. Everyone there thought/knew he was dead.

Hear me out - the story continues in this way in something that I find very intriguing and true to the series thus far. After a lot of counseling, Dent returns as a public servant. Gordon is willing to turn the other cheek obviously since he and Bat already made the plan to blame Batman.

In the movie, Dent slowly deteriorates back to his insanity, and the evil persona Two Face takes control again. Meanwhile, The Joker, locked up, knows the secret, and is doing everything he can to undermine Batman and reveal the truth.

Sounds like a good movie to me.

 

[NoirMan82]

I think this discussion is funny because it's exactly what Nolan wanted to do. I think he intentionally left Two-Face's fate kind of vague. He left this entire movie open for multiple sequels with multiple characters. Scarecrow is still alive, so is Joker, and ultimately, so is Two-Face. Nolan and Goyer has already gone on record saying they're not big on killing villains. Everyone knew long before the movie came out that Joker and Two-Face would live at the end.

 

[StrainedEyes]

I think this discussion is funny because it's exactly what Nolan wanted to do. I think he intentionally left Two-Face's fate kind of vague. He left this entire movie open for multiple sequels with multiple characters. Scarecrow is still alive, so is Joker, and ultimately, so is Two-Face. Nolan and Goyer has already gone on record saying they're not big on killing villains. Everyone knew long before the movie came out that Joker and Two-Face would live at the end.

Batman Begins had 2 villains. One of them is dead. (I doubt any immortality plot is going to be brought up in a later movie.)

Why is it an impossibility that one of the two villains in TDK is dead?

 

[hemparea51]

Here's why I think he's still alive...

They have the closed casket funeral, preserving his good name as a ploy etc, etc...

But secretly....

He's still alive and locked up at Arkham. They realize it would be more damaging to Gotham if he were found alive, disfigured, and a killer. By having him "die," we're left with a sense of a fallen hero.

 

[The_Raganork]

Here's why I think he's still alive...

They have the closed casket funeral, preserving his good name as a ploy etc, etc...

But secretly....

He's still alive and locked up at Arkham. They realize it would be more damaging to Gotham if he were found alive, disfigured, and a killer. By having him "die," we're left with a sense of a fallen hero.

how is he in Arkham?

Are you thinking? did they stuff him in a closet in Arkham, someone would notice Harvey Dent sitting in Arkham; plus there's a legal system they';re not gonna let someone just stick a person in Arkham; that makes no sense.

 

[Borat]

how is he in Arkham?

Are you thinking? did they stuff him in a closet in Arkham, someone would notice Harvey Dent sitting in Arkham; plus there's a legal system they';re not gonna let someone just stick a person in Arkham; that makes no sense.

I bet the judge who 'share's Dent's enthusiasm for justice' would agree to put him in without letting anyone know.

 

[ross2287]

I think Harvey is dead but Two-Face is alive

I think Harvey Dent is dead but Two Face is still alive.


I thought I saw him breathing a bit....the only reason why Batman wasn't out cold either is because of the suit.

Yes, Harvey is dead. Two-Face is alive. And I'm sticking to that.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

He's dead. It was very lazy of batman and Gordon not to check for a pulse.

 

[Go Web Go!]

He's dead...much like Venom is.

 

[Vile]

Lets not forget - Dent fell with his scarred side 'up' - meaning death. =)

 

[Mister J]

A mod should add a public poll in this thread

So be it. :ninja;

While we seem to have hit a lull in the exchange, allow your Not-So-Friendly Neighborhood Psychotic Comedian to take opinion on the matter:
I say dispense with all the flighty ambiguity options and cut to the chase. Harvey Dent/Two Face/The Dude Who Batman Tackled Off the Ledge, whatever you want to call him: Dead or Alive?

...or need it be more complex than that?

 

[Art Damage]

I bet the judge who 'share's Dent's enthusiasm for justice' would agree to put him in without letting anyone know.

Joker blew her up in her car.

"Up"

 

[samsnee]

I think this discussion is funny because it's exactly what Nolan wanted to do. I think he intentionally left Two-Face's fate kind of vague. He left this entire movie open for multiple sequels with multiple characters. Scarecrow is still alive, so is Joker, and ultimately, so is Two-Face. Nolan and Goyer has already gone on record saying they're not big on killing villains. Everyone knew long before the movie came out that Joker and Two-Face would live at the end.

I'm thinking the opposite. I'm thinking some idiot is going to come up to him and ask "So is Two-Face dead?" And he's going to just drop his jaw and stare at the guy before saying "Did you watch the movie? Did you not get the whole 'die a villain' point I was trying to make?"

 

[El Payaso]

I really hope he died. His story was so perfect the way it was that I hope it remains untouched.

 

[Borat]

Joker blew her up in her car.

"Up"

oh yea lol!

 

[M.O.Steel]

i wish he hadn't died. didn't nolan say somewhere that dent/two-face was the most important villain in that universe. boy did that not show.

i wish he hadn't. i wish he would return as two-face for the third as i expected before.

 

[Octavias]

Two face is alive. the actor is signed for a second movie. they locked him away in arkham in hopes of treating him and told the public he was killed. nolan takes very special care to leave criminal's fates open ended so they can be used in future movies within the current cannon.

 

[Octavias]

Lets not forget - Dent fell with his scarred side 'up' - meaning death. =)

but the coin fell with the good side up

 

[Joker8906]

because he was flipping for the boy

 

[Vile]

Bingo.

And there is nothing 'open ended' with Two-Face. He's dead. We saw the corpse. His death was the entire POINT.

 

[Octavias]

I haven't seen the movie yet (doesn't open until tomorrow where I live!)... But I actually wanna know; how does two-face really look??? Some good but fake manips has been thrown around the net, plus there was the leaked photo as well, but I dont know what to believe... So, How does he look??? Is there really a hole through his cheek and stuff?

yes the hole in his cheek is there... the fire burned him real bad

 

[Joker8906]

Gordons son landed good side up and he lived Harvey's flip i dont tihnk we saw, on screen he just said my turn and tossed it "yep im good."