The FFINO ZONE - Part 1

[Brian Braddock]

''They're still going to see it anyway.''

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

''They're still going to see it anyway.''

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

Arrogance permeated this entire project - from management to the director to the writer right on down to the actors.

 

[Moridin]

I'm having trouble separating what I hope to happen from what I want to happen.

But if I were to speculate, I'm starting with the idea that Fox, Marvel and everybody else knows that Fox isn't going to make an other FF film in the next 7 years.

Because of that, Fox will be willing to turn the rights back over for a song. But why should Marvel give them a song? Marvel knows they won't make another film which means in 7 years they get the rights back for free.

I wouldn't take it as definite that Fox won't try another film in the next 7 years. They likely don't intend to right now, but there is the chance [however small] that down the line that they change their mind (maybe new management or whatever) and think "fourth times the charm".

I think Marvel will want to avoid that potential situation, and if an oppertunity arrises earlier they'll make a move instead of trying to wait it out for 7 more years. This movie tanking will certainly bring about that kind of oppertunity.

From Fox's side, if things are as bad as the seem to be, they've well and truly driven this property into the ground and it's probably never going to make them any real money.

So if the price is right I could see Fox & Marvel making the deal this year. What's the price though? As you mentin below, lump sum of $$$, access to X-Men merch rights, ability to make X-Men TV series? I'd be inclined to say one of the first two are more likely.

But after playing that game 2 years ago, Marvel got burnt when Fox actually made this crap, so I think Marvel may be a little more motivated than before to just lock things up and be done with it.

I disagree that Marvel got burnt. Sure, the deal they were trying to make (letting Fox extend the rights to DareDevil in return for Galactus & Surfer, IIRC) didn't pan out, but they turned DD around into an awesome Netflix series & Fox f****ed themselves with an, apparently, awful F4 movie, which also f***s their future F4 prospects to the point that selling them back to Marvel seems like the shiniest option.

With all that in mind, I think Fox and Marvel will be talking in the coming weeks. Eventually, I think Marvel will give either some cash or possibly reduce their cut of X-Men or maybe offer something else X-Men related (merchandising, TV rights etc.).

It will probably take a while, but I think within a year Marvel will have rights to FF, Silver Surfer, Galactus, Doom etc.

Then, hopefully, they start working those characters into their plans and films. I think it's very realistic that we could see a pre-accident Reed Richards in an upcoming Marvel film, for example.

Yarp, I think Marvel & Fox will be at the table together by the end of the year trying to hammer something out.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Arrogance permeated this entire project - from management to the director to the writer right on down to the actors.

I definitely do not think that MBJ and Miles Teller handled themselves as well as they should have.

 

[flickchick85]

I just read Miles Teller's Esquire interview. Yikes.

 

[Joe Rockhead]

It's not a deal breaker for me, but he shouldn't get powers if he does go. That's the important part.

And having him go and Sue not is beyond dumb.

Seriously.

If they wanted to involve Doom in the story, then Reed, Johnny, Ben and SUE are the ones who go to 'Planet Zero' and Doom stays behind in the control room.

Doom sabotages the controls forcing Reed to figure out from the other side how to bring them all back to reality -- his actions there result in the 4 getting their powers but the return trip causes a system overload that explodes in Doom's face. He gets scars but no powers, and blames Reed for the whole thing.

Simple, no?

 

[Farren]

The thing is I feel Doom's origin is so in depth that it can be a movie in and of itself.
You have demons, being on the run, sorcery, monks, exploring, science, technology...

I just feel like it would be better to streamline certain things. Like the whole demon/Mephisto thing with his mother, while cool and interesting I'd might take that out if I was in charge.

Of course the other production did try and streamline Doom and got s***. There is a good way to streamline Doom it just seems like they aren't being competent

Oh yeah I don't disagree that it's an issue to adapt on the silver screen. It's too time consuming, and throwing both magic and hard science at the audience in standalone universe like the FF has at Fox is too much.

I guess the best idea (in theory) for me would be Doom in the MCU, where he could first appear as a FF villain. Establish that he likes to mix his science with sorcery (it could be used as angle or he and Reed's rivalry -- that Reed is all traditional science) and give a bit of his background. And then let him appear again in a Doctor Strange movie that adapts Triumph and Torment and go into the angle with his mother more.

That's the great thing about Doom: his complexity is an asset in a large world of comics because he can crossover to other titles with relevance and grow as a character.

 

[SyntaxError]

I definitely do not think that MBJ and Miles Teller handled themselves as well as they should have.

Yep. Agree 100%. Think both are great actors with wonderful careers ahead but thought they came off as arrogant throughout the press tour.

Watched some of the press interviews the cast gave and they were dismissive and just cocky.

Miles' comment about critics not liking superhero movies was met with widespread criticism just a few days ago. Should watch his mouth.

 

[MadVillainy]

Yep. Agree 100%. Think both are great actors with wonderful careers ahead but thought they came off as arrogant throughout the press tour.

Watched some of the press interviews the cast gave and they were dismissive and just cocky.

Miles' comment about critics not liking superhero movies was met with widespread criticism just a few days ago. Should watch his mouth.

That was such a weird comment. Just bizarre

 

[Zarex]

Here's my version of an FF deal I think is workable:

FOX gets:

1) The rights to put as many as three broadcast (not made for streaming) TV shows on Network or cable (FOX, FX, FXX) using characters from the X-Men family. FOX retains full rights for future streaming and DVD/BluRay releases and Marvel waives their licensing fee for the three programs. Rights to spinoffs or additional programs will require additional negotiation.

2) Marvel forfeits their % interest in FOX's X-Men films.

3) Marvel agrees to have a limited line of tie-in merchandise available for the next 10 FOX/Marvel releases.

Marvel gets:

1) The immediate release of the live action rights to the FF character family. This includes FOX's interest in tie in merchandise.

2) FOX also releases their % interest in X-Men tie in merchandise. Disney Consumer Products commits to a limited merchandise line for the next 10 FOX/Marvel releases.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I definitely do not think that MBJ and Miles Teller handled themselves as well as they should have.

BREAKING NEWS: Marvel Studios casts Miles Teller as Wonder Man and Michael B. Jordan as Blade, killing the chance of a Fantastic Four sequel t:

 

[Farren]

I just read Miles Teller's Esquire interview. Yikes.

And here I thought Fox was just not giving proper PR lessons to him. After reading that, I actually have to give Fox credit -- they were probably reigning him him as best as they possibly could. MESS.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Here's my version of an FF deal I think is workable:

FOX gets:

1) The rights to put as many LIVE ACTION TV shows (not animation) on Network or cable (FOX, FX, FXX) Or Streaming Services as they'd like using characters from the X-Men family. FOX retains full rights for future streaming and DVD/BluRay releases, cross overs will require additional negotiation.

2) Marvel forfeits their % interest in FOX's X-Men films. <-- no way will that ever happen

3) Marvel becomes more lenient onf X-men movie merchandise, specifically the collectible market

Marvel gets:

1) The immediate release of the live action rights to the FF character family.

FIXED

I don't forsee that deal playing out as you did.. Marvel has no desire to even want to have soul merch rights over a movie franchise they don't really care about supporting or not...

 

[metaphysician]

After this any leverage Fox might have had is gone now in any type of negotiations that might take place

The problem is, Fox never had leverage in the first place. . .

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Up until last night Trank was really active on twitter

What happened?

 

[Snow Queen]

And here I thought Fox was just not giving proper PR lessons to him. After reading that, I actually have to give Fox credit -- they were probably reigning him him as best as they possibly could. MESS.

What happened in that?

 

[SyntaxError]

Here's my version of an FF deal I think is workable:

FOX gets:

1) The rights to put as many as three broadcast (not made for streaming) TV shows on Network or cable (FOX, FX, FXX) using characters from the X-Men family. FOX retains full rights for future streaming and DVD/BluRay releases and Marvel waives their licensing fee for the three programs. Rights to spinoffs or additional programs will require additional negotiation.

2) Marvel forfeits their % interest in FOX's X-Men films.
^Not happening. How much stake do they have in the films in the first place?

3) Marvel agrees to have a limited line of tie-in merchandise available for the next 10 FOX/Marvel releases.
^This is the main source of revenue for Marvel when it comes to their X-Men franchise. Fox doesn't need this either, they'd only want this to spite Marvel. They don't lose anything by letting Marvel go free with X-Men Merch.

Marvel gets:

1) The immediate release of the live action rights to the FF character family. This includes FOX's interest in tie in merchandise.

2) FOX also releases their % interest in X-Men tie in merchandise. Disney Consumer Products commits to a limited merchandise line for the next 10 FOX/Marvel releases.

Merch is prized possession for Disney, they're not going to let it go nor let it be restrained.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Up until last night Trank was really active on twitter

What happened?

Well we know not to check for him on a film set so that's a start.

 

[Snow Queen]

Well we know not to check for him on a film set so that's a start.

 

[T"Challa]

Well we know not to check for him on a film set so that's a start.

 

[Zarex]

FIXED

I don't forsee that deal playing out as you did.. Marvel has no desire to even want to have soul merch rights over a movie franchise they don't really care about supporting or not...

1) The rights to put as many LIVE ACTION TV shows (not animation) on Network or cable (FOX, FX, FXX) Or Streaming Services as they'd like using characters from the X-Men family. FOX retains full rights for future streaming and DVD/BluRay releases, cross overs will require additional negotiation.

I don't know if Marvel would release the full live action TV rights to the X-Men character family, especially as FOX lost a lot of their bargaining power with FFINO. And Marvel may want to protect their very lucrative Netflix shows by limiting FOX to broadcast and cable alone. There's definitely some wiggle room here.




2) Marvel forfeits their % interest in FOX's X-Men films. <-- no way will that ever happen

It happened with Spidey. It's a relatively small amount, estimated at about 1% of the gross, but I think it is something Marvel would be willing to sacrifice.


3) Marvel becomes more lenient onf X-men movie merchandise, specifically the collectible market

"Becomes more lenient" is a tad bit wishy washy, and the collectible market doesn't do much to increase the visibility of upcoming releases. I was thinking more along the line of "X-Men: Apocalypse" t shirts and posters.



1) The immediate release of the live action rights to the FF character family.

In any deal I think this is the minimum Marvel would be willing to accept.

 

[mightiest_mortal]

What happened to the review on the front page?

 

[Zarex]

Merch is prized possession for Disney, they're not going to let it go nor let it be restrained.

In my version of a deal, Marvel (and Disney) gets back the % interest in X-Men tie in merchandise negotiated away back in the 90s. And I don't think a limited commitment to tie-in merchandise - I'm thinking hats, t-shirts and posters - would be a significant burden, though Disney Consumer Products may disagree.

 

[chamber-music]

Fox sees the fan reactions to the film.
Meanwhile a phone starts to ring in an office.
A man with his back turned answers the phone.
Kevin Feige: Hello?
Fox Executive: "Yeah.....we need to talk about the Fantastic Four..."
Feige smiles.

 

[SyntaxError]

In my version of a deal, Marvel (and Disney) gets back the % interest in X-Men tie in merchandise negotiated away back in the 90s. And I don't think a limited commitment to tie-in merchandise - I'm thinking hats, t-shirts and posters - would be a significant burden, though Disney Consumer Products may disagree.

By limited commitment do you mean Disney are obligated to sell a certain minimum line of merchandise? Don't they already sell Merchandise for X-Men in conjunction with the movies?

In which case Fox would only benefit by increased exposure and nothing monetarily.