The FFINO ZONE - Part 2

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I seriously doubt it. Unlike Battleship, Transformers and their ilk, FF appears to eschew the common elements that helps them thrive in the box office despite their poor quality: light hearted tone, humor, spectacle, thrills, simplicity. The alleged slow pace would probably hurt this film a lot with the GA.

Also I believe Battleship had 3D tickets working in it's favor.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

This movie doesn't have 3D AND isn't releasing in China.

In box office terms, that's not good news at all.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Even if it does release in China there is no proof that it will be a big hit.

 

[Black Narcissus]

You just know there will be a few poor souls out there who will spend money to see this dooped by the Marvel banner, and thinking this is another chapter to the mcu.

 

[TheVileOne]

I seriously doubt it. Unlike Battleship, Transformers and their ilk, FF appears to eschew the common elements that helps them thrive in the box office despite their poor quality: light hearted tone, humor, spectacle, thrills, simplicity. The alleged slow pace would probably hurt this film a lot with the GA.

You could be right, I just don't want karma to work against me .

 

[Darkraid]

Lol 12% even lower than my 16% prediction. Well done Fox.

 

[Pokkle]

Hahaha t:

Spoiler

 

[TheVileOne]

Call it bad writing or not, but I want to address, there really is no familial bond at all between Jordan and Mara as Johnny and Sue. I get it. They are exploring an adoptive family dynamic, but IMHO, sorry that's not Fantastic Four. It didn't make the movie more realistic.

Michael B. Jordan is a great actor, but IMHO, his talents are also wasted as Johnny Storm. Does casting a black actor as an originally white character in a bad big budget superhero movie really fix or address the diversity problem? IMHO it doesn't.

I also believe fans who objected to the casting aren't racist either. I think fans are simply more biased toward wanting to see a character closer to what they grew up with. It is not necessarily a racism issue.

 

[Brian Braddock]

My way of thinking on that is always purely from a visual aesthetic standpoint - in that I just want the live action characters to resemble their comic book counterparts as closely as is humanly possible. Ok, I accept that its a bit of a childlike standpoint but the flipside of that is that because its so childlike I can honestly say that there are no racial connotations to it and its purely innocent. Of course, that doesn't stop some people from interpreting some sort of prejudice that simply isn't there.

 

[TheVileOne]

Maybe its childish but look at Sony and Marvel's casting rules for Spider-Man/Peter Parker, despite all the talks about being open to ethnic casting. Jeff Sneider saying they will cast a minority actor (95 percent sure).

Now more importantly, let's look at the major Marvel casting decisions. For the most part, there is a consistency or precedence from the comics with the exception of minor characters.

Case in point, Thor with Idris Elba and Tadanobu Asano. But are those really inclusive? Heimdall is a minor character, essentially bit part. Hogun has only a handful of lines and barely any action beats in Thor 1 and 2. It is really progressive to cast minority characters in minor roles where their importance to the plot is of marginal significance?

In Daredevil, you have Vondie Curtis Hall as Ben Urich, a major character of the Marvel mythos. Now to be clear, I really like Hall as an actor, and I think he did a very good job as Urich. In the end, look what happens to Urich though.

However, my other point is that Marvel Studios as an entity tends to stick to the comics in most respects to casting of the characters, with a few exceptions here and there, where it pertains to race/skin color. Even with Nick Fury, it was a change that came from the Ultimate Comics. OK, there was a pop culture moment of Nick Fury looking and sounding like Samuel L. Jackson, so let's actually get Samuel L. Jackson to play him for real. It makes Fury easily identifiable and likable already rather than starting with his traditional 616 characterization.

 

[regwec]

Michael B. Jordan is a great actor, but IMHO, his talents are also wasted as Johnny Storm. Does casting a black actor as an originally white character in a bad big budget superhero movie really fix or address the diversity problem? IMHO it doesn't.

Maybe WB can pick him up as Green Lantern or something.

 

[ImOctavius]

Maybe WB can pick him up as Green Lantern or something.

As Hal Jordan

 

[regwec]

Seriously, I don't mind that so much. Any alteration to Hal is for the better.

 

[biggles2000uk]

Empire have given it 2 stars
Empire FF4 review

 

[wobbly]

Empire have given it 2 stars
Empire FF4 review

Where the hell did they pull quotes from for that 'Critics' tv spot?

 

[TheVileOne]

wobbly, they were from an earlier fluff preview piece of the movie from Empire.

 

[Orba]

Where the hell did they pull quotes from for that 'Critics' tv spot?

I believe is was tracked down to a line in a preview they had done.

 

[wobbly]

wobbly, they were from an earlier fluff preview piece of the movie from Empire.

Lol. They pulled quotes from a preview piece, before the empire critic had even seen it...That's desperately low.

 

[regwec]

It's completely unethical. Empire should request that they remove the quote.

 

[Brian Braddock]

I'd assume that request has already been made. If you were Empire, you'd be fuming.

 

[The Infernal]

Yeah, but is it much different to when studios pull sentences that sound positive out of context from negative reviews? That practice seems commonplace, I'm not sure this is enough of a jump from that to warrant action.

 

[regwec]

I think it is, because the context of a preview (and that sentence) is entirely different from how the quote is presented. There must be some kind of agreement that a preview will not be taken as a final judgment, otherwise they would not be presented in such an open-minded tone.

 

[Brian Braddock]

I've just Googled 'misleading movie blurbs' and there are a fair few articles on the subject. Fascinating stuff.

 

[Dark Raven]

To be fair to our distinguished fellow posters: they might just be on spoiler lockdown. And even if they are avoiding this place because they don't want to eat crow, I don't blame them. No one wants to get niggled about being wrong.

That could be true. I usually disappear from forums in the last few months when it gets nearer to release and unsubscribe from threads. Of course, some people still post spoilers in unrelated threads, which is extremely annoying.

Yes! The Thing would be the next Groot. As some have said before, Thing is the closest that Marvel has to a Pixar character. He's the heart of the team, not the after-thought assassin.

Yeah, the Thing is meant to be like a giant teddy bear. He should be almost as funny as Spider-Man with all his wisecracks and self-deprecating humour. You wouldn't think to turn Spider-Man into a dark assassin with 43 kills. That's like trying to turn him into the Winter Soldier.

 

[biggles2000uk]

I think it is, because the context of a preview (and that sentence) is entirely different from how the quote is presented. There must be some kind of agreement that a preview will not be taken as a final judgment, otherwise they would not be presented in such an open-minded tone.

dont think empire care how their articles are used by the big studios. After all, they still want to maintain that relationship that gives them access and it doesn't impact their readers