The FFINO ZONE - Part 2

[regwec]

Perhaps not, but it depends on how they value their reputation as a reviewer. Folks who have the misfortune to see this movie may well wonder how on Earth Empire thought it was good.

 

[The Infernal]

I notice Dony got banned. Did that follow shortly after C. Lee deleting his comments or when actual reviews exposed his bs?

 

[Dark Raven]

Can't we just merge this thread with Reborn/

That would be up to Kelly and she's on vacation.

Will there soon be any point in keeping a completely separate thread for speaking negatively about FFINO now that it's out and it's clear that it is universally panned and nearly everyone seems to hate it? Does that mean that we can only say what really think about the film in here (when this is practically the general consensus) and in every single other thread on this forum people can continue to choose to ignore everything and speak positively or at least in a neutral way (just for the sake of those few positive posters)?

It would be like all the negative reviews that it is getting from critics only being allowed to be posted in a small, obscure little pocket of the internet and everything else that is more positive or neutral exists for the wider audience to read.

 

[Orba]

I notice Dony got banned. Did that follow shortly after C. Lee deleting his comments or when actual reviews exposed his bs?

C.Lee did it when the reviews came out showing that it was all BS.

 

[The Infernal]

Will there soon be any point in keeping a completely separate thread for speaking negatively about FFINO now that it's out and it's clear that it is universally panned and nearly everyone seems to hate it? Does that mean that we can only say what really think about the film in here (when this is practically the general consensus) and in every single other thread on this forum people can continue to choose to ignore everything and speak positively or at least in a neutral way (just for the sake of those few positive posters)?

It would be like all the negative reviews that it is getting from critics only being allowed to be posted in a small, obscure little pocket of the internet and everything else that is more positive or neutral exists for the wider audience to read.

Eh. This felt more like an impromptu lounge to me. I say keep it separate and treat it as such, but allow people to post views more freely in the Redead Reborn thread.

C.Lee did it when the reviews came out showing that it was all BS.

Thanks. I missed that bit.

 

[Erzengel]

I notice Dony got banned. Did that follow shortly after C. Lee deleting his comments or when actual reviews exposed his bs?

First the latter than the former.

 

[Flint Marko]

Yeah I think at some point this section will be closed down. It's now at an 11% on RT, clearly the default view of this movie is "negative". Looks like us detractors weren't so crazy after all.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Eh. This felt more like an impromptu lounge to me. I say keep it separate and treat it as such, but allow people to post views more freely in the Redead Reborn thread.

Yeah, I feel this is a safer place to rant, go off topic etc. without danger of disrupting the flow of more serious discussions.

Though frankly I've found it difficult over the past few days to not allow my rants to spread all over the place.

 

[Best]

10%

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Yeah I think at some point this section will be closed down. It's now at an 11% on RT, clearly the default view of this movie is "negative". Looks like us detractors weren't so crazy after all.

I honestly tried to keep an open mind throughout the process, but for the past year and a half, I can't think of one thing we heard that had me excited in any way.

Seriously, my four biggest moments turned out to be lies:

1. When the Thing Bust leaked, I thought that looked pretty good, but when we actually saw the Thing, he didn't look as good as the Bust.

2. When Fake Josh Trank posted a few things, I started to think there was some hope, but of course he turned out to be fake.

3. A couple script descriptions described interesting things happening in the N-Zone, Doom encountering Annihilus and also glimpsing Galactus and the X-Men world. From what I've heard, those things didn't happen (or where at least extremely minor details).

4. Dony's 'review' in which he said they got their powers in the first 20-25 minutes and eventually had their traditional costumes gave me some hope. . . but of course that turned out to be BS.

Those are seriously the only four moments throughout this whole production that I had any hope and they all turned out to be false.

So, yeah, it seemed pretty obvious to anyone who was really paying attention that this film did seem really bad. I wasn't a detractor because of some agenda. I was a detractor because I honestly hated every real thing we saw or read. And the result is a film that is likely to soon surpass Catwoman as the worst comic-book film ever.

 

[VictorDomashev]

10%

Fant4stic

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

10%

When the reviews are in and (as I'm nearly certain now) this film's reviews are worse than both Catwoman and Batman and Robin, I'm going to make a graphic with all three of those films and their ratings superimposed.

When this drops below Catwoman's 9%, that will be the moment of true, epic failure.

 

[VictorDomashev]

When the reviews are in and (as I'm nearly certain now) this film's reviews are worse than both Catwoman and Batman and Robin, I'm going to make a graphic with all three of those films and their ratings superimposed.

When this drops below Catwoman's 9%, that will be the moment of true, epic failure.

Can Disney / LFL fire Kinberg ? Hes just as responsible for this as Josh Trank & Fox is

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I honestly tried to keep an open mind throughout the process, but for the past year and a half, I can't think of one thing we heard that had me excited in any way.

Seriously, my four biggest moments turned out to be lies:

1. When the Thing Bust leaked, I thought that looked pretty good, but when we actually saw the Thing, he didn't look as good as the Bust.

2. When Fake Josh Trank posted a few things, I started to think there was some hope, but of course he turned out to be fake.

3. A couple script descriptions described interesting things happening in the N-Zone, Doom encountering Annihilus and also glimpsing Galactus and the X-Men world. From what I've heard, those things didn't happen (or where at least extremely minor details).

4. Dony's 'review' in which he said they got their powers in the first 20-25 minutes and eventually had their traditional costumes gave me some hope. . . but of course that turned out to be BS.

Those are seriously the only four moments throughout this whole production that I had any hope and they all turned out to be false.

So, yeah, it seemed pretty obvious to anyone who was really paying attention that this film did seem really bad. I wasn't a detractor because of some agenda. I was a detractor because I honestly hated every real thing we saw or read. And the result is a film that is likely to soon surpass Catwoman as the worst comic-book film ever.

The agenda thing is a lame accusation I used that lame accusation until I had a come to Zod moment about the project.

When Toby Kebbell revealed that Victor Von Doom was going to be an angry blogger, I thought "**** this movie." I instantly turned against the project.

 

[Flint Marko]

I honestly tried to keep an open mind throughout the process, but for the past year and a half, I can't think of one thing we heard that had me excited in any way.

Seriously, my four biggest moments turned out to be lies:

1. When the Thing Bust leaked, I thought that looked pretty good, but when we actually saw the Thing, he didn't look as good as the Bust.

2. When Fake Josh Trank posted a few things, I started to think there was some hope, but of course he turned out to be fake.

3. A couple script descriptions described interesting things happening in the N-Zone, Doom encountering Annihilus and also glimpsing Galactus and the X-Men world. From what I've heard, those things didn't happen (or where at least extremely minor details).

4. Dony's 'review' in which he said they got their powers in the first 20-25 minutes and eventually had their traditional costumes gave me some hope. . . but of course that turned out to be BS.

Those are seriously the only four moments throughout this whole production that I had any hope and they all turned out to be false.

So, yeah, it seemed pretty obvious to anyone who was really paying attention that this film did seem really bad. I wasn't a detractor because of some agenda. I was a detractor because I honestly hated every real thing we saw or read. And the result is a film that is likely to soon surpass Catwoman as the worst comic-book film ever.

Well said. Now that the detractors have been vindicated, I wonder if this section will be painted in a more reasonable light? This part of the board was widely regarded as toxic for the past year or so, I'm thinking that since this is now on Catwomans level of critical success that anyone who didn't understand where we were coming from before should get it now.

 

[Dark Raven]

When the reviews are in and (as I'm nearly certain now) this film's reviews are worse than both Catwoman and Batman and Robin, I'm going to make a graphic with all three of those films and their ratings superimposed.

When this drops below Catwoman's 9%, that will be the moment of true, epic failure.

I would be interested to see that graph. Maybe include Elektra and Green Lantern in it too?

 

[SyntaxError]

Can Disney / LFL fire Kinberg ? Hes just as responsible for this as Josh Trank & Fox is

Thankfully he has a minor role in the Star Wars think tank + the movie which he was meant to script was shelved.

Also Lucasfilm is pretty safe in the hands of Kathleen Kennedy.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I would be interested to see that graph. Maybe include Elektra and Green Lantern in it too?

Oooh, yeah, Electra should definitely be on there at 10%, but Green Lantern is comparatively critically acclaimed at 26%.

How about Howard the Duck at 14%?

 

[Best]

I'm actually looking forward to seeing Kinberg stick to his word on the easy production or turn on Trank. Either would be interesting.

 

[VictorDomashev]

This will also be the last time any of these actors & one lone actress plays a Superhero. They may play some unknown indie one one day. But I dont see MARVEL or the WB ever hiring these people. They are cancer now to Superhero movies

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Just to Summarize:

Catwoman 9%
Elektra 10%
Batman and Robin 11%
Howard the Duck 14%

Fantastic Four 8% and FALLING (a couple new rottens just in).

 

[Suzanne78]

That could be true. I usually disappear from forums in the last few months when it gets nearer to release and unsubscribe from threads. Of course, some people still post spoilers in unrelated threads, which is extremely annoying.



Yeah, the Thing is meant to be like a giant teddy bear. He should be almost as funny as Spider-Man with all his wisecracks and self-deprecating humour. You wouldn't think to turn Spider-Man into a dark assassin with 43 kills. That's like trying to turn him into the Winter Soldier.

Like it or not, that was Story's version of Ben Grimm. I actually really loved his relationship with Johnny Storm and "Susie" Storm. It's sad that those two FF movies dealt with the relationship chemistry far better than this one, apparently.

 

[Best]

33 rotten. Jesus.

9% it is.

 

[Dark Raven]

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captur...antastic-four-is-neither-disaster-nor-success

Where the film truly drops the ball is with what I can only describe as a sweaty and ill-considered final half-hour. Whatever it is they're trying to do with Doctor Doom does not work. At all. Toby Kebbell was hired for this hot on the heels of his work in "Dawn Of The Planet Of The Apes," and little wonder. He was amazing as Koba, giving real dignity and pain to a "bad guy" character. There is none of that here, and it's the script. On a film like this, it's impossible to say who decided what, but just like in most of the earliest attempts at superhero movies, it feels like they saved every penny of their effects budget for the last scene, and they shouldn't have bothered. It's more glowing doodad end of the world BS, with Doctor Doom represented by a terrible digital/make-up design with the powers of David Cronenberg's Scanners.

Spoiler

He marches around making heads blow up in boundary-pushing PG-13 style for about five or ten minutes, then trades a few punches with each member of the Fantastic Four, then apparently dies when his doodad explodes.

It is as by the numbers as any blockbuster's ending in recent memory, and the telescoped nature makes it feel even lazier. Not only could they not be bothered to write an actual ending to things, but they dispatch with all of it in enough time that you could miss it with a poorly timed run to the bathroom.

Determined not to have fun at almost any expense, Josh Trank's "Fantastic Four" feels like a primer in how to misjudge a property in enough fundamental ways that no amount of good work could have tipped this one completely. It will take way more abuse than it deserves from fans, but there's not enough about it that I like that I'm willing to really defend it, either. It feels much too safe, and at this point in the life-cycle of this genre, "safe" is the wrong way to go.

It definitely sounds really bad, particularly the end battle.

 

[Dark Raven]

Oooh, yeah, Electra should definitely be on there at 10%, but Green Lantern is comparatively critically acclaimed at 26%.

How about Howard the Duck at 14%?

Yeah, Howard the Duck could go in there too.

Are there any movies (not necessarily comic book ones) on RT that have actually 0% or even 1%?