The FFINO ZONE - Part 2

[Ragnaroknroll]

I don't think Marvel would be at the table unless the F4 rights were sitting in the center of that table.t:

I would certainly hope so. Marvel shouldn't even return Fox's calls unless they lead any conversations about a TV show with "If we release with the FF film rights would you..."

 

[C. Lee]

hell management changes occur all the time. maybe the new boss hates superheroes and axes them to make room for more projects by his own people. Nobody can say for certain what could happen.

Back in the late 60's/early 70's...the head of CBS's new wife hated "country" shows....so she talked her husband into cancelling GOMER PYLE, HEE HAW, BEVERLY HILLBILLIES, etc.....all of which are still beloved shows...hell Hee Haw went to syndication and aired another 25 years....

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't think Marvel would be at the table unless the F4 rights were sitting in the center of that table.t:

I dunno, keep in mind Marvel was willing to let Fox CONTINUE on the Daredevil reboot just to BORROW Surfer and Galactus.

 

[jaymes_e06]

I dunno, keep in mind Marvel was willing to let Fox CONTINUE on the Daredevil reboot just to BORROW Surfer and Galactus.

But now FOX has absolutely no leverage. Times they are a-changing.

 

[Farren]

Back in the late 60's/early 70's...the head of CBS's new wife hated "country" shows....so she talked her husband into cancelling GOMER PYLE, HEE HAW, BEVERLY HILLBILLIES, etc.....all of which are still beloved shows...hell Hee Haw went to syndication and aired another 25 years....

Wow, that's terrible.

 

[Dasher10]

Plus Kang The Conqueror who is a top three Avengers villain.

Who are the other two? Ultron, Thanos, Modok, Lord Templar, High Evolutionary, Namor?

 

[Zarex]

But now FOX has absolutely no leverage. Times they are a-changing.

Additionally, the proposed Daredevil deal was an extension of an existing licensing agreement. No additional rights were to be transferred to FOX, which is a quite different situation than the proposed TV deal.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

That's how Dr. Who originally got cancelled. BBC brass at the time hated it.

Back in the late 60's/early 70's...the head of CBS's new wife hated "country" shows....so she talked her husband into cancelling GOMER PYLE, HEE HAW, BEVERLY HILLBILLIES, etc.....all of which are still beloved shows...hell Hee Haw went to syndication and aired another 25 years....

Yup. This is how Deadwood got canceled at HBO also, from what I've heard. It happens everywhere, as different people with various agendas come and go.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Who are the other two? Ultron, Thanos, Modok, Lord Templar, High Evolutionary, Namor?

Beyond Ultron, I still say Baron Zemo. I know he's a Cap villain (so is Modok) but he also leads the Masters of Evil.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Additionally, the proposed Daredevil deal was an extension of an existing licensing agreement. No additional rights were to be transferred to FOX, which is a quite different situation than the proposed TV deal.

Really good point. A TV deal is significant because if it happens it would mark the first time Marvel has conceded additional rights to produce live action material based on their characters to another studio since the Disney acquisition.

 

[Spooderman]

Who are the other two? Ultron, Thanos, Modok, Lord Templar, High Evolutionary, Namor?

Probably Ultron and Thanos. Modok is more associated with Captain America and Iron Man, Namor is an Anti-Hero, and the other two aren't major villains.

 

[Dark Raven]

Who are the other two? Ultron, Thanos, Modok, Lord Templar, High Evolutionary, Namor?

How on earth does he possibly get in there?

The top Avengers villains are Ultron, Kang, Thanos, Loki, Baron Zemo and the Masters of Evil, Grim Reaper, Korvac, the Collector, Graviton, Taskmaster among others.

Modok doesn't come all that high up at all, and neither does High Evolutionary. Namor had occasional clashes with them, but he was also a member of the Avengers too, so he's not really a top one.

I would also say Morgan Le Fay has become more of an Avengers villain too, by virtue of her clashes with Iron Man, Dr Strange and also being an arch enemy of Spider-Woman, which has extended to enmity towards the whole team.

 

[GoblinScrier]

Picture this the rights go home to Marvel and then this could be the end credit sequence for Infinity War part 2:

The heroes celebrate after the defeat of Thanos while a portal opens up in Time Square and its the 4...Stark and the Avengers are watching tv as they see Reed, Sue, Johnny, and Ben.
Reed says: "Family...we are finally home!"

Credits....

Epilogue

LATVERIA

showcase the country...the villages...camera pans to the castle

Inside is an armored figure sitting on his throne, holding a jeweled encrusted goblet, watching the same broadcast that the Avengers are...the REAL DOCTOR DOOM, iconic comic book look and all...crushes the goblet and in an intimidating and booming voice, Doom yells RICHARDS! as we fade to black.

Phase 4...the heroes show up in various appearances culminating in a F4 film in late Phase 4. Setting the stage for Galactus as well but along the way, the seeds are planted for Doom's global and possible universal conquest...Secret Wars is Phase 6...Phase 5 is Galactus and the heralds. Doom's ultimate bid for power stretches over 3 phases....

MADS MIKKELSEN FOR DOOM!!!

 

[SyntaxError]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2jbcnVG7n8

John Campea and Jon Schnepp don't like the movie... probably the most objective fanboys.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

But now FOX has absolutely no leverage. Times they are a-changing.

Yeah, I think Fox's strongest bargaining position was about 2 years ago, but they blew that by making the worst film in the history of comic book movies (I'm convinced that when all the reviews are in this will drop below 7%).

How would you like to be the person sitting on Fox's side of the table and trying to convince Marvel that you intend to follow up and release in theaters to the public who has just witnessed this mess another Fantastic Four film in 7 years.

If they thought they had explaining to do after the Tim Story films, imagine the sales job they'd have to do to the public on a new Fantastic Four film now. And if they thought we were hard on them this time around, imagine next time. What director in his right mind would even consider signing on for that?

Fox's epic fail on this film has ensured that Marvel is the only one capable of making an FF film.

I think that's the simple fact.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

How on earth does he possibly get in there?

The top Avengers villains are Ultron, Kang, Thanos, Loki, Baron Zemo and the Masters of Evil, Grim Reaper, Korvac, the Collector, Graviton, Taskmaster among others.

Modok doesn't come all that high up at all, and neither does High Evolutionary. Namor had occasional clashes with them, but he was also a member of the Avengers too, so he's not really a top one.

I would also say Morgan Le Fay has become more of an Avengers villain too, by virtue of her clashes with Iron Man, Dr Strange and also being an arch enemy of Spider-Woman, which have extended to enmity towards the whole team.

Good list. Thanos and Loki are up there but not "Top 3" in my mind. When I think of top villains I think of recurring villains - the iconic ones that time and again were thorns in the Avengers' sides - who gave them the most grief, had a personal vendetta and never stayed down.

Ultron, Kang and Zemo and the Masters of Evil. Although I'd be hard pressed to say which one is #1.

Korvac was definitely a big one but he ended up killing himself. I think he was resurrected later but did he ever battle the Avengers again? High Evolutionary I think of more as a Thor (quasi-) villain.

I would agree on Morgan Le Fay. She also was a major foe during Busiek's run.

 

[marvelmadness13]

According to boxoffice.com the ratio of positive to negative tweets on FFINO is at 0:1 today.

This thing is gonna make Pixels look like a smash hit.

 

[Tymminator]

Now that an FF sequel or reboot is off the table, and FOX is coming into a time crunch to have the show ready for Fall 2016, Marvel has all the bargaining power. I think that a three show TV deal in exchange for the live rights to the FF character family would be a fair exchange.

The deal they make wil be fair most def, and I bet it won't be perpetuity based and his honestly it doesn't need to be.

Just as WB made a deal with Fox on Gotham and you know they don't have DC's Gotham based characters TV rights forever, if Fox gets one or three X-Shows, there will be clauses in place.

 

[Surfer]

Okay, so let's say Fox wants to trade the Fantastic Four movie rights for the X-men TV rights and Marvel wants the trade also. Is this possible for these 2 companies to do, because of the Television rights and the movie rights within Fox being separate entities (as another user put it earlier). Is there one person or group of people within Fox that oversee's both entities that could make this decision possible? To me it would seem likely as they share the same name "FOX" that someone is in charge that oversee's everything related to these various entities. So, while the movie division might not want to part with Fantastic Four, and the Television part might want to make the deal with Marvel, it to me would seem like none of that would matter if the guy upstairs in charge of everything says this is going to happen. However, just was wondering if anyone knows anything about Fox's hierarchy.

Surfer

 

[Dark Raven]

Good list. Thanos and Loki are up there but not "Top 3" in my mind. When I think of top villains I think of recurring villains - the iconic ones that time and again were thorns in the Avengers' sides - who gave them the most grief, had a personal vendetta and never stayed down.

Ultron, Kang and Zemo and the Masters of Evil. Although I'd be hard pressed to say which one is #1.

Korvac was definitely a big one but he ended up killing himself. I think he was resurrected later but did he ever battle the Avengers again? High Evolutionary I think of more as a Thor (quasi-) villain.

I would agree on Morgan Le Fay. She also was a major foe during Busiek's run.

Yep, I'd agree with that. All three of them have kept turning up and trying to best the Avengers.

That's why I want Kang to go back to Marvel. It's not like Fox can do anything with him, and he would be inappropriate in a FFINO movie, and he would be completely bastardised anyway.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Think about this a second:

Marvel makes a surprise announcement of an FF film at 2016 Comic Con - Wild, jubilant excitement and anticipation from fans.

Fox makes a surprise announcement of an FF film at 2016 Comic Con - They'd get booed out of the state and there might be realistic fear of physical violence.

That's the position Fox has put themselves in. We know that, Fox knows that and Marvel knows that.

How can Fox possibly convince Marvel they intend to make another FF film in the next seven years when we all know exactly where things stand?

 

[TheVileOne]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2jbcnVG7n8

John Campea and Jon Schnepp don't like the movie... probably the most objective fanboys.

Wasn't Schnepp talking it up before?

 

[Zarex]

Okay, so let's say Fox wants to trade the Fantastic Four movie rights for the X-men TV rights and Marvel wants the trade also. Is this possible for these 2 companies to do, because of the Television rights and the movie rights within Fox being separate entities (as another user put it earlier). Is there one person or group of people within Fox that oversee's both entities that could make this decision possible? To me it would seem likely as they share the same name "FOX" that someone is in charge that oversee's everything related to these various entities. So, while the movie division might not want to part with Fantastic Four, and the Television part might want to make the deal with Marvel, it to me would seem like none of that would matter if the guy upstairs in charge of everything says this is going to happen. However, just was wondering if anyone knows anything about Fox's hierarchy.

Surfer

It may come down to Ike Perlmutter hashing out the details with the Murdochs.

 

[Dasher10]

Yep, I'd agree with that. All three of them have kept turning up and trying to best the Avengers.

That's why I want Kang to go back to Marvel. It's not like Fox can do anything with him, and he would be inappropriate in a FFINO movie, and he would be completely bastardised anyway.

The good news is that this franchise is done. I can't see this being fixed in a sequel. You don't score a 26 on Metacritic and get to do a second film. Either get Kang right or don't do him at all.

 

[Surfer]

It may come down to Ike Perlmutter hashing out the details with the Murdochs.

So what postion do these people hold with Fox to make such a decision. Just curious. Thanks in advance.

Surfer