The Flash season 3 episode 1 - "Flashpoint"

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  1. Osiris-Rex Head-Kick

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    For this season both Arrow and Supergirl have 100% positive on Rotten Tomatoes as compared to 85% for The Flash.

    Of the negative reviews:

    "It's possible all this time-traveling and rewriting of history is beginning to wear thin, and even the writers can no longer keep it all straight."


    "After a promising start, last season turned into a depressing muddle. I'm hopeful that now that the timeline has mostly been reset, season 3 can have a fresh start, but this wasn't an inspiring beginning."


    Haven't seen Supergirl yet, but a did like the Arrow season premiere more than the Flash premiere. And I didn't really like Arrow last season.
     
  2. KidFlash6969 Registered

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    You guys are nuts this was easily one of the top 5 episodes of the show
     
  3. BH/HHH You Are My World

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    I agree I thought it was fantastic.
     
  4. !Superman! Registered

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    right ... so great how he just let reverse flash kill his mother again because he didnt want to forget the other timeline where.... his mother is dead... instead of alive where he is right now.

    i love the flash show but this episode killed any excitement for the season. Let`s hope the next episode is better. But how can it get better. He left the only person die he was fighting the past 2 season to get back in the first place. But i can understand why some liked this episode. 2x the flash 2x villains ... what`s not to love...:whatever:


    sooooo great. fantastic episode.

    i`m mean am i missing something? what was so great? so great that the fact he lost his mom again has no meaning to some here? please tell me because i dont understand.
     
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  5. Binker Registered

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    Is this a great jumping on point for someone like me, who has (sadly) saw 1-2 episodes of the whole show, saw the Supergirl/Flash crossover, and knows the ending to S2?

    Can I just start/restart starting with this episode?
     
  6. The Caped Knight Shield Avenger

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    I think you need to start from the beginning or at best see all the essential episodes of Season 1 & 2.
     
  7. BlueLanternKal Super-Lex

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    I thought it was a solid season opener. Then again I didn't build up ridiculous expectations. I knew 'Flashpoint' could never live up to it's namesake.

    The Barry/Iris stuff didn't bother me. Only time I thought it was a bit much was during her "Run, Barry Run!" motivational speech.

    Flash and Kid Flash worked. :up: Alcoholic Joe was different. Reverse-Flash was on point. Mr. Ramon was pretty cool. I bought that. Overall it was solid. 8.3 lightning bolts out of 10.
     
  8. Binker Registered

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    Let's just say that isn't really an option.

    So is this a great jumping on point?
     
  9. BestGirl Reluctantly following Vought's orders

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    The whole thing made no sense. It writers were clearly intent on rushing Barry back to the original timeline, logic be damned.

    Again, I can't figure out why the Flashpoint story wasn't a two-parter. This whole world, Barry's place in it, and reason for leaving it could have been developed so much better.
     
  10. Dark Raven The Gal from Themyscira

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    Not really. But it's up to you if you want to start watching from here.
     
  11. BH/HHH You Are My World

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    Ok you didn't like it that's fine but people who did are allowed to praise it.
     
  12. godisawesome Registered

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    I gave it a 6/10; for me, that means it wasn't a bad episode, but it was a disappointing one. And I'm not talking about the episode in comparison to its source matter all. I'm talking about the numerous possible subplots and changed timeline elements the episode raises, and then discards, and how this season opener reflected on the end of last season. This thing feels like it was supposed to be multiple episodes, that hey crafted a story and status quo change to match multiple episodes, then everything got shoved into one episode, with the result being sometimes random events and personality changes that just didn't work.

    The smallest but most perplexing change was Caitlin's new job as an optometrist: ostensibly, this is a major change, but then she fulfills her usual role as team medic without even a hint of education, and comes up with the plan to track the Rival, making the changes to her story seem pointless. Cisco's change is the one with the most immediate differences and intriguing possibilities, and yet the biggest thing I took away from it was a chuckle that Barry had better hope Cisco doesn't vibe over to this timeline:

    Cisco: "Barry! I think someone sabotaged my timeline, just like you! I just vibes to some memories about being filthy rich, running Star Labs as a successful business employing thousands, shoring up the world economy! AND I WAS SLEEPING WITH A HOT CHICK TALLER THAN ME! ON THE REGULAR!!"

    Barry: "... Oh, that's....too bad."

    Joe's an alcoholic, but we're not really told why, and the subplot isn't given near enough space to breathe, so it again comes off as pointless. The idea of Iris and Wally fighting crime together is decent, and I actually liked the overall conflict of the episode as it relates to the Rival and Kid Flash, but then we hit a serious bump in the road; Wally being injured and apparently dying comes off as horribly contrived, since they don't even attempt to explain why his powers aren't working, and that moment becomes the only real impetus behind Barry's resetting of the timeline.

    Flash effectively trades both his parents' lives, Cisco's good fortune, and the freedom of his most hated homicidal enemy in exchange for a presumably sober Joe and a loving Wally.

    I love Wally (well, classic Flash III Wally), but that's not much of a trade.

    The episode misses out on several big emotional moments just waiting to be used, and at least as far as this episode goes, the only explicit consequence Barry will suffer long term is soap opera melodrama involving Iris. What is it with great CWverse villains taking minor inconvenience of the hero's love life as a great victory? Though this does beat Slade's reveal of Oliver's identity to Laurel in Arrow; at least here, Reverse Flash can claim it made Barry feel awkward at Joe's.

    Having said that, everyone acted well, Reverse Flash and his new regualr actor clearly have serious potential (I actually like how they still have this complicated mortal enemy banter) and the Alchemy reveal at the end was intriguingly downplayed.
     
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    they absolutely are allowed to praise it but i want to know what was great about that episode. I didnt like it and i explained why i didnt like it.

    His parents are a HUGE part of the show. The main reason for almost everything Barry does. And now he just lets his mom and dad die again.

    You can see my anger is focused mainly on the Parents dying again part. The rest was ok/ good. Would be better if it was a 2 parter. It felt really rushed.
     
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    I gave it a 4/10 and I feel that's being generous.

    Barry's characterization is all over the place. He's apparently scared witless about speaking to Iris, even though (from his perspective) he's known her all his life. He's also a grown adult, not a freaking junior high school boy. His parents apparently aren't overly concerned about how proud he is that he asked a girl out, either. He's still got his speed but apparently hasn't used it in the three months we're supposed to believe he's been there, other than to give Thawne hamburgers. He's apparently never heard of this timeline's Flash, nor ever looked up Cisco, nor Caitlin, nor even Wells. Codswallop.

    And he apparently doesn't want to be the Flash any more, except the thought that he'll forget he ever was the Flash is enough to make him sacrifice this timeline. And that Wally gets hurt, except not mortally so from the sounds of it. For reasons never explained, Wally doesn't heal, just to up the angst factor I guess.

    Caitlin is shoehorned in for no purpose other than to get the actress a credit.

    The 'Joe is an alcoholic mess' characterization is never explained and serves no purpose within the story.

    Cisco & Star Labs are changed, again, for no real net reason. He doesn't want anything to do with the Flash here, until he does, then he doesn't.

    The time travel rules, as usual, make no sense at all, and I'm sick to death of seeing the writers abuse the concept for whatever nonsensical plot they dream up. And then they abuse it again at the end, by concocting this nonsense rift between Iris & Joe at the end, because Barry needs more angst moving forward. :whatever:

    And, of course there's Thawne. The Thawne who became Wells because he murdered Nora and got stuck in the past. Except that Thawne vanished, as have bothS1 and S2 Barry from that night! This Thawne goes back, kills Nora - by the way, that wasn't his original intention when he went there, remember, writers? - then apparently superspeeds Barry back to Joe's house in the 'present'? Didn't he get stuck in the past like he was supposed to?

    These writers cannot handle time travel. Period. Anyone who proposes it as a plot device in any future Flash episode should be fired on the spot.

    Really, even if you'd expanded this plot to 2, 3, 4 episodes, it still looks like it would have been a hot mess. Garbage opener. I'd just as soon forget that the ending to S2 and this episode ever happened, except there's the new Iris/Joe rift - with resulting Barry angst! - to waste time dealing with.

    And people want to merge this world with Supergirl's? Gah. Keep Supergirl out of this mess, please.

    I'm not at all encouraged by this opener. Flash has been going steadily downhill since Zoom was revealed as Jay IMO and maybe there's just no going back.
     
  15. Spider-Aziz Head scratching webhead

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    Interesting scoring system.
    I like it. :D
     
  16. C. Lee Superherohype Administrator

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    I love time travel stories. My wife doesn't. We both didn't like this episode. My wife's take on it - why can't they stop with the messing with his head stuff and just let him fight criminals. My take on it - why can't they stop with the messing with his head stuff and just let him fight criminals, and boy, did they really screw up some of that time travel stuff. Others covered what was wrong with it from his acting like a 13 year old to his quick decision to have his mother murdered.
     
  17. Osiris-Rex Head-Kick

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    Yes, enough with the time travel crap on Flash. They have Legends of Tomorrow for that. Let's go back to having him fight criminals. There are plenty of Flash villains to make that the main story line of an episode instead of just an afterthought. It does the villain no justice and it does Flash no Justice. It's amazing that Arrow had a much more satisfying premiere than The Flash, which was one of my favorite shows, because Arrow is back to fighting criminals again and criminals are the main focus of the story.
     
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    Yeah between Dr. Alchemy and Mirror Master coming, they really could lay off the time travel for a while. if Reverse Flash is going to be on Legends, there is really not a big need for it here.
     
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    It was the plot that should never have been. There was no way out it, other than to kill the 'fantasy' that he was living or let the character of Barry Allen drift to the back of the stage and let the show be retitled as 'Kid Flash!'

    It was a can of worms from the start. And I'm not saying that I didn't like the episode, only that it failed in the last ten minutes - much the same as the previous season finale did...

    What I keep coming back to is his poor mother. She's being viciously attacked by some supernatural force, then this other speedster comes along and saves her, making her think that she's been saved, and then it starts all over again and once more she's attacked and killed. In that act, Barry made his mother's last moment that much more absolutely terrible. It was callous and villainous, as RF said.

    In this episode Barry became the villain. He was the anti hero.

    The creators and writers of the show should never have tried it in the first place.

    I'm staying with my 7 out of 10 lightning bolts.
     
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    The logic of this episode was very wonky and all over the place.

    Nothing really made sense.

    Also, I'm still not used to this new version of Wally West. My Wally is a redhead.
     
  21. Dark Raven The Gal from Themyscira

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    How did the version of Barry that saved his mother at the end of last season disappear when Reverse Flash reappeared on that night after Flashpoint? Why should he do that? And couldn't Barry from the past (eg at the end of season 1 or some other version still stop RF and alter history once again?

    Or why can't current Barry go back in time again, knowing what he knows now, and stop end of season 2 Barry from saving his mother and stopping RF instead of having RF deliberately kill his mother? It might not be such a change to the timeline but just would reset it to pre Flashpoint.
     
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  22. The Caped Knight Shield Avenger

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    NO this not the best starting off pointÂ….
     
  23. Dark Raven The Gal from Themyscira

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    Quite possibly the worst jumping on point at the moment.
     
  24. Speed Force Goober

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    Both seasons are on Netflix. You could get a free month trial and catch up that way...or you could see if someone will add you to their account.
     
  25. The Chris TDK Trilogy Forever!

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    I thought it was a fun episode but i really do wish the world was in way worse shape than it was. I mean godness gracious Aquaman and Wonder Woman were at war and Bruce Wayne was dead. Why couldn't we get something like Iris is dead and Joe is a blood thirsty psycho. His reasons were selfish in the finale and they were still purely selfish here. That really didn't work for me.
     

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