The Flash the flash season 3 episode 18 abra kadabra

[legendkillin]

Barry is 1 step forward 2 steps back I swear. This show makes him out to be such an impulsive idiot that never learns from his mistakes. Thought he was suppose to be done dealing with fear making him do things. Now the plan is to go to the future, he never learns and its making the episodes pointless.

The show is full of people making decisions for selfish reasons. Cait said she didn't want to be KF so leave the necklace on, but of course Julian takes it off.

 

[Dark Raven]

he said he was doing something with that lady they hired for the flash museum or something like that and cisco was ticked cause he was worried about before caitlin wen critical I was thinking people from the fan base would suspect him for that.

No, not Harrison Wells. Tom Cavanagh. I know what they said Wells was doing. I asked what Cavanagh was doing in real life that he barely featured in the episode and they had to come up with that explanation within the story.

Barry is 1 step forward 2 steps back I swear. This show makes him out to be such an impulsive idiot that never learns from his mistakes. Thought he was suppose to be done dealing with fear making him do things. Now the plan is to go to the future, he never learns and its making the episodes pointless.

The show is full of people making decisions for selfish reasons. Cait said she didn't want to be KF so leave the necklace on, but of course Julian takes it off.

Well, as I mentioned before, that may have been Julian's intention all along if he wanted to accelerate the process into turning her into Killer Frost. So yes, it is for selfish reasons if he's a villain, but he's not doing it impulsively or recklessly like Barry might if Julian's actions were already premeditated.

 

[legendkillin]

Abra Kadabra was a far better villain in this one episode than Savitar has been in the entire season. Plz do Rogue War next season.

Agree, he was better and I loved how he didn't care to help Barry. That was a true villain moment. Savitar is a lame musclebound villain, I find nothing interesting about him.

Also not sure why knowing his name matters.

 

[TheFuture]

Barry is 1 step forward 2 steps back I swear. This show makes him out to be such an impulsive idiot that never learns from his mistakes. Thought he was suppose to be done dealing with fear making him do things. Now the plan is to go to the future, he never learns and its making the episodes pointless.

The show is full of people making decisions for selfish reasons. Cait said she didn't want to be KF so leave the necklace on, but of course Julian takes it off.

To be fair to Barry, if he did think about it too much, he'd become frozen by fear, unable to take any sort of action (even standing still) for fear of it having a knock effect on someone else.

That's the weight Barry will always have to bear and indeed his ultimate tragedy: the knowledge that no matter what he does, everything will have consequences.

 

[Dark Raven]

Agree, he was better and I loved how he didn't care to help Barry. That was a true villain moment. Savitar is a lame musclebound villain, I find nothing interesting about him.

Also not sure why knowing his name matters.

It's not just knowing his name for the sake of knowing his name, especially if he is someone random. It's knowing his identity. And maybe it's implied that the identity of Savitar is someone that Barry would know. And if he knows who he is, he can stop him, especially while in his civilian guise.

If Savitar is actually someone like Julian all along, then they will know not to trust him and will not be spilling all their plans to him when discussing how to prevent the future. And they could get the jump on him while he's not powered up.

 

[legendkillin]

Well, as I mentioned before, that may have been Julian's intention all along if he wanted to accelerate the process into turning her into Killer Frost. So yes, it is for selfish reasons if he's a villain, but he's not doing it impulsively or recklessly like Barry might if Julian's actions were already premeditated.

Yes if this is the route they go then I would have no problem with the move. I feel Julian is a one season character so having him be a villain or something would be okay. It would also be a repetitive to again have team Flash infiltrated by the villain.

Joe also made a selfish decision letting Abra out. I know its his daughter and all that but it was a foolish mistake.

 

[legendkillin]

To be fair to Barry, if he did think about it too much, he'd become frozen by fear, unable to take any sort of action (even standing still) for fear of it having a knock effect on someone else.

That's the weight Barry will always have to bear and indeed his ultimate tragedy: the knowledge that no matter what he does, everything will have consequences.

I get it being a damned if you do and damned if you don't thing. Barry makes a lot of moves out of fear but he could also not doing anything out of fear. I expect if he saves Iris someone else on the team will just die, going to be like the Smallville episode.

I just wish Barry didn't waffle so much.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think it's possible that Julian wasn't always a villain, but that when he allowed himself to become a channel for Savitar again as per the team's wishes, he opened himself up to being influenced by Savitar. Unless, of course, he was villainous all along.

The only reason I'm saying this is that before, Caitlin suggested using her Killer Frost powers for something, if I recall correctly, and Julian said that she shouldn't do that. He advised her against taking any action that could lead her to becoming KF. So now, seemingly acting in the heat of the moment and saying he doesn't care what happens when he rips off her necklace is contrary to his previous line of thought.

Of course, he could've said what he did previously to gain her trust. Or he could be genuinely acting in the heat of the moment and overcome by emotion so that he's not thinking rationally. Only time will tell which one it is and whether he is genuinely a good person or a calculating villain all along.

But Savitar can't just be someone random, and with Abra Kadabra offering to give up his name, it suggests that his identity is someone we will be familiar with. And the person most likely to fit into that is Julian. For everyone else who might be guest stars, they have not recurred frequently enough for us to become emotionally invested in them as characters.

 

[Thome216]

It's simple fear of losing someone you love. That is an extremely powerful motivator. For Barry, I think he has thought about it and considered all the remaining options, which are a pitiful few, and is doing the only thing available now.

Plus, this is going into the future and not the past. It doesn't matter if he effects anything in the future, cause it won't cause another Flashpoint.

In fact, he could go back to the future and team up with his future self to save Iris there, rather than simply wait for the event to happen.

As for Julian, I hope he's not playing a long game and is truly evil. In that event he isn't, then he simply does want to lose Caitlyn just when they are becoming involved. And don't forget, removing the necklace was Cisco's idea. In the 'heat' of the moment, Julian took it.

Although, if he is truly bad, maybe that's why he didn't just put the necklace back on her when her heart restarted...

 

[Thome216]

And I would ask, that when the next character dies, could they not jump around so much? This and Laurel's death were a little overdone...

 

[Web-Head]

Why don't they just not have Iris in that place on the date she dies?

 

[Confusion]

As for Julian, I hope he's not playing a long game and is truly evil. In that event he isn't, then he simply does want to lose Caitlyn just when they are becoming involved. And don't forget, removing the necklace was Cisco's idea. In the 'heat' of the moment, Julian took it.

Although, if he is truly bad, maybe that's why he didn't just put the necklace back on her when her heart restarted...

Remember when he bent in to kiss her, and "accidentally" pushed on her wound?
He probably was doing what he can to get her to turn to KF. It all seemed "off"

Question for anyone who remembers:

Was Julian ever seen by AK? I bet AbraK knows about Julian as well. His face would of probably lit up if he saw Julian...I can't remember now if they were ever in the same room.

 

[theflashionist]

hello all, long time lurker finally joined.

In my opinion, the episode was amazing. They certainly spent a lot more time on graphics and fighting sequences than previous episodes.

As far as Savitar goes.. everyone seems to be oscillating between the same characters as a possibility of his identity. However, wouldn't it be too similar to previous seasons?

It is hard to pinpoint who Savitar is. My guess would be the time remnant from season 2 who died to make sure Barry defeated zoom.

 

[Dark Raven]

Remember when he bent in to kiss her, and "accidentally" pushed on her wound?
He probably was doing what he can to get her to turn to KF. It all seemed "off"

Question for anyone who remembers:

Was Julian ever seen by AK? I bet AbraK knows about Julian as well. His face would of probably lit up if he saw Julian...I can't remember now if they were ever in the same room.

Julian was there when Abra Kadabra created that explosion or whatever it was that wounded Caitlin. It was Julian, Caitlin and someone else (possibly Joe?) who were caught in the blast.

I don't remember Abra Kadabra reacting to Julian in any particular way though. But we don't even know if he's even telling the truth or just taunting them.

 

[legendkillin]

Why don't they just not have Iris in that place on the date she dies?

I'm thinking Savitar grabs her up from wherever they are and Barry chases after him. Savitar just stops at that location maybe it is where Barry planned to marry her or something.

I don't think she was just strolling in the park at night with Barry away.

 

[theflashionist]

Indeed, julian was present when the blast happened. I guess we will have to wait a month and possibly a bit more to find out Savitar's real identity

 

[Confusion]

That's right. I remember now.
The only other odd thing that I can think of, is that Savitar calls Wally "Wallace"

The only other person that I remember calling him that is H.R.

But man, I would be mad if H.R. is any type of bad guy. That would be so crappy. It has already been done, sorta. In a round about way.

But the whole Wallace thing jumped out at me and keeps nagging me.

 

[30Airrazor]

Saw the episode

Abra Kadbra should be brought back in season 4.

Caitlin being severely wounded, never thought it lead to Killer Frost full emergence. What a way for cliffhanger for a about 4 weeks.

 

[Dark Raven]

That's right. I remember now.
The only other odd thing that I can think of, is that Savitar calls Wally "Wallace"

The only other person that I remember calling him that is H.R.

But man, I would be mad if H.R. is any type of bad guy. That would be so crappy. It has already been done, sorta. In a round about way.

But the whole Wallace thing jumped out at me and keeps nagging me.

Well, it could be that Savitar has heard HR calling Wally "Wallace". Or it could be Wally is Savitar himself and that he remembers being called that and is now using that name.

Or maybe Wally goes by Wallace in the future to sound more formal (depending on what he's doing) and Savitar is using his future name.

I don't want HR to be a villain either. But isn't he the one who discovered that Savitar isn't actually a speed "god" but only human? He's the one who suggested it is possible to actually hurt Savitar.

I also think that Abra Kadabra should be brought back as a big bad. As for David being in lots of different projects, well that's why we need 101 Dastmalchians.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

The presentation of Abra was fine. The actor, no matter how many times he's done a D.C. project... was freaking terrible.

 

[TheFuture]

The presentation of Abra was fine. The actor, no matter how many times he's done a D.C. project... was freaking terrible.

He was painfully bad in Gotham but then again Gotham can have effect (and I'm a fan of the show).

Didn't mind him here. He was pure cheese but I don't know how else you could play the role.

In TDK he gave what the role required of him.

So I'm quite indifferent to the actor. I wouldn't call him terrible anyway based on these roles.

 

[legendkillin]

The presentation of Abra was fine. The actor, no matter how many times he's done a D.C. project... was freaking terrible.

He seems to appear once in every CW show.

 

[Web-Head]

No, not Harrison Wells. Tom Cavanagh. I know what they said Wells was doing. I asked what Cavanagh was doing in real life that he barely featured in the episode and they had to come up with that explanation within the story

He directed the next episode, maybe that was part of it.

 

[metaphysician]

I really wish that they would give a reason as to why the Legends haven't gotten involved when it comes to villains from the future messing with present day events.

If they did, it'd become a little too obvious that they are *also* basically "villains from the future messing with present day events".

 

[metaphysician]

Where was Tom Cavanagh for most of this episode? Has it said where he was in real life that he didn't play much here?

Presumably, he was wearing a David Dastmalchian mask. . . *ahem*