The Friday The 13th Movies Thread - Part 2

[BH/HHH]

Also, maybe someone could help me out.
It is never fully explained in the original, why Jason appears as deformed.
I don't remember his mom ever saying so. It was mentioned (?) that he was bullied or mentally disabled i believe.
Other than that, I'm not sure where it was mentioned he was hideous looking.

It's explained in Crystal Lake Memories, deformed Jason was merely a device for a dream sequence so they imagined him as a monster. Victor Miller says that he always saw Jason as just a normal kid but for that nightmare he was the monster in the lake. It's just beyond there

 

[Steyin]

I just bought the game (even though I know how buggy it is) a few days ago after watching Rich and Jack from RLM livestream it a few times. It was so hilarious I had to try it out. Wish I had some friends who play it though, been having fun nonetheless. Need to rewatch these films now, haven't seen them since I was young.

 

[Loki882]

From what I recall, Victor Miller was also opposed to making Jason a killer. He say Jason as the tragic victim and felt like he worked best in that role.

Also there's nothing stated in the original film that Jason was deformed. All we're told is that he "wasn't a good swimmer."

 

[Peyton Westlake]

No. That would be completely pointless and would be the most epic fail one could could pull off. That's like saying "hey, let's just turn him into Michael Myers with a hockey mask!"

Are you saying that because you're just taking someone's decision, possibly a weak one, to make him deformed as gospel?
Maybe because its 35+ years as seeing him like that, that is swaying you. If we saw him as a normal man 35 years ago, making him deformed now would freak the fanbase out.
It seems from the writer, he wasnt suppose to be deformed at all.
I'm just refering to the Jason who emerged from the lake to avenge his mother. He could be normal in apperance, just wildly homicidal.
As the series goes on, I assume they would zombie-fy him and that could explain how he became hideous.

 

[StarLord]

New Line’s 1997 Sales Trailer for ‘Freddy vs. Jason’ Has Surfaced

That 1997 promo trailer for Rob Bottin’s Freddy vs. Jason just surfaced on YouTube. Using clips from both franchises, it teased “the fight of the century“…

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[Peyton Westlake]

New Line’s 1997 Sales Trailer for ‘Freddy vs. Jason’ Has Surfaced



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Looks as if somebody pieced it together now & wanted it to appear vintage

 

[StarLord]

It does a little, yeah.

I didn't even know Rob Bottin was attached to direct at one point, so that was cool to read. The make-up and practical effects would have been amazing at least!

 

[StarLord]

Nick Antosca Reflects on His ‘Friday the 13th’ Reboot That Almost Was!

“The Paramount Friday the 13th movies,” Antosca said of his inspiration, adding Dazed and Confused, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, and John Hughes movies to the mix. “Plus Jaws, a little bit. We just wanted to make a classic Jason movie, with kids at camp who get slaughtered, and great kills and some characters you actually enjoy hanging out with til they die.”

For those who read the script, it felt like they found a way to mix three of the best Jasons into one movie, including Kane Hodder’s beast-like nightmare of a slasher.

“David Bruckner and I talked about how to make a consistent Jason throughout our movie, but nod to the different Jasons,” he revealed. “I prefer supernatural Jason, personally. And I loved the imagery of him under the water.”

Jason Voorhees’ mythology is a bit complicated as the entire franchise is riddled with plotholes. Antosca talks a bit about the challenges in cracking the story.

“We just accepted from the beginning that we would have to pick and choose elements of the mythology to make a coherent one within one movie. It’s obviously not consistent over the course of the franchise, but you have a lot to work with. We adjusted the timeline a bit to make sense.”

The coolest aspect of Antosca and Bruckner’s Friday the 13th was that it would be period, taking fans back to the 1980s.

“To me, that just feels right,” he said of the decision to set it during the original’s time period. “That’s the Jason movie I want to see. It’s the same impulse that fed into ‘Stranger Things’ and a lot of 80s nostalgia that we now see popping up. It was in the air a few years ago. I’d still love to see a new Friday the 13th set in the ‘80s.”

For those interested in “the process”, Antosca’s Friday the 13th was a first draft, meaning there was quite a bit of work to do. Here’s what he expected to change in his next pass.

“I’m sure there was more character work to do. There always is. The draft that got out there is a first draft, and I only ever had a chance to do one draft. I’m sure we would have kept tweaking the kills too.”

And of course, it wouldn’t be Friday the 13th if a sequel wasn’t set up. Here’s where Antosca wanted to take the Voorhees family.

“We had aimed for a winter-set sequel,” he confirms while revealing more plans. “The details were not hashed out, but it would have involved people returning to the site of the horrific massacre in the first movie — probably just six months later.”

So what happened? With Platinum Dunes ready to go, Paramount got cold feet.

“I know Platinum Dunes was ready to go — they were enthusiastic,” he reveals. “I heard various things — Paramount changed their mind about the 80’s setting, they wanted more mythology. Also, there was some corporate changeover in the ranks there, and the people who were in charge when I was hired were no longer there. The new folks may have wanted to put their own stamp on it. It happens. I was curious to see the version they did make, and I was disappointed when that fell apart too.

“It shouldn’t be that hard to make a Friday the 13th movie.”

 

[Loki882]

His script was actually quite good. It probably would have needed some polishing (he even says that here). But the foundation was there for a really cool film that made homage to the classics but also tried some new stuff.

 

[BH/HHH]

His script was actually quite good. It probably would have needed some polishing (he even says that here). But the foundation was there for a really cool film that made homage to the classics but also tried some new stuff.

Agree with all this. It was on the right path for sure. One of my favourite things about his script was you could feel the excitement reading it.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Paramount should just sell the franchise already, they clearly don't intend to actually do anything with it, if they did we'd have gotten another film several years ago.

 

[TheCardPlayer]

His script was actually quite good. It probably would have needed some polishing (he even says that here). But the foundation was there for a really cool film that made homage to the classics but also tried some new stuff.

It was pretty fantastic IMO. I really loved the characters and their interactions. They were so well written. And his descriptions of Jason shots were pretty intense and amazing. Plus the ending went to places, you don't expect from a F13 finale.

Really hate how it'll never be.

 

[Loki882]

Yeah it actually, gasp, made you give a crap about the characters in a slasher movie. So that it meant something when they died or were put in serious danger. You know, like how the original masters did it, as opposed to today where it's just a bunch of unlikeable A-holes who you almost WANT to see get slaughtered.

Also that climax, WOW that would have been something. And the whole "set the movie in winter" continues to be a great idea in-general.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

F13 in winter needs to happen, it is so long overdue at this point. The winter setting would open them up to some great imagery and kill possibilites.

 

[Wildcard]

From what I recall, Victor Miller was also opposed to making Jason a killer. He say Jason as the tragic victim and felt like he worked best in that role.

Also there's nothing stated in the original film that Jason was deformed. All we're told is that he "wasn't a good swimmer."

It was made quite obvious in the original Jason was deformed, hence the hydrocephalic head, the droopy eye, etc. Tom Savini was charged with creating the look and it was always his intention Jason was deformed. It wasn't something that just came out of nowhere.

 

[Wildcard]

Are you saying that because you're just taking someone's decision, possibly a weak one, to make him deformed as gospel?
Maybe because its 35+ years as seeing him like that, that is swaying you. If we saw him as a normal man 35 years ago, making him deformed now would freak the fanbase out.
It seems from the writer, he wasnt suppose to be deformed at all.
I'm just refering to the Jason who emerged from the lake to avenge his mother. He could be normal in apperance, just wildly homicidal.
As the series goes on, I assume they would zombie-fy him and that could explain how he became hideous.

I'm saying that because it's a central element to why Jason is who he is. He was a deformed child who was ostracized by his peers and the only person who understood & loved him was Pamela. Had he been a normal looking guy from the beginning, yes I'd be advocating he stay that way. But it doesn't make sense to take something that's a staple of the character and switching it around now. It'd be like changing the Joker's skin tone from chalk-white to orange just because he's been that way for 80 years.

 

[BH/HHH]

It was made quite obvious in the original Jason was deformed, hence the hydrocephalic head, the droopy eye, etc. Tom Savini was charged with creating the look and it was always his intention Jason was deformed. It wasn't something that just came out of nowhere.

It's explained in Crystal Lake Memories, it was always presumed that Jason was just a normal boy but because they added the jump scare ending they wanted to make him "the monster in the lake" so Tom Savini created a look to scare people. Jason wasn't originally intended to be deformed it was sonething created for the final scare of the movie. The sequels are what took it and ran with it.

 

[Wildcard]

It's explained in Crystal Lake Memories, it was always presumed that Jason was just a normal boy but because they added the jump scare ending they wanted to make him "the monster in the lake" so Tom Savini created a look to scare people. Jason wasn't originally intended to be deformed it was sonething created for the final scare of the movie. The sequels are what took it and ran with it.

Are you kidding me? Tom Savini said out of his own mouth that he based Jason's look on a homeless drunk guy that had a Quasimodo-esque look, hence the messed up eye, hydrocephalic head, etc. Take a look at the behind the scenes photos of Ari Lehman. No, better yet, here's one for you:

This is from the actual drowning scene, the one that Pamela recalls while in the presence of Alice. I don't know where you got "Jason was never meant to be deformed, it just sorta happened" from but it's 100% wrong.

Tom Savini was left to come up with the design and Jason was made to be deformed in the very first movie. How anyone is even trying to dispute this is beyond me when in the actual movie he appears deformed.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

It's explained in Crystal Lake Memories, it was always presumed that Jason was just a normal boy but because they added the jump scare ending they wanted to make him "the monster in the lake" so Tom Savini created a look to scare people. Jason wasn't originally intended to be deformed it was sonething created for the final scare of the movie. The sequels are what took it and ran with it.

This doesn't really matter because there's nothing in the actual films that supports it. If it ain't on screen, it doesn't count.

 

[BH/HHH]

Are you kidding me? Tom Savini said out of his own mouth that he based Jason's look on a homeless drunk guy that had a Quasimodo-esque look, hence the messed up eye, hydrocephalic head, etc. Take a look at the behind the scenes photos of Ari Lehman. No, better yet, here's one for you:

This is from the actual drowning scene, the one that Pamela recalls while in the presence of Alice. I don't know where you got "Jason was never meant to be deformed, it just sorta happened" from but it's 100% wrong.

Tom Savini was left to come up with the design and Jason was made to be deformed in the very first movie. How anyone is even trying to dispute this is beyond me when in the actual movie he appears deformed.

Yeah where did I say that he didn't? I'm pointing out that Jason himself was originally intended as a normal boy. Victor Miller who wrote the damn script has said so many times.

http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/exclusive-interview-victor-miller/

The Jason that came out of the lake was designed that way to be the Monster in the Lake. The final scene we always intended as a dream sequence. Go read or watch Crystal Lake Memories it's all in there. It's the sequels that carried on with him been a mongoloid. As far as Miller was concerned when making the original Jason was a boy that drowned and he looked like that in the dream sequence only.

Also if you knew your facts that shot you posted was an image taken when they were goofing around. It's funny cause I never even said they didn't use him as a mongoloid for those shots either. I'm talking about the intention when filming started. The Mongoloid aspects all came later as part of filming and the people involved all said the ending was always meant as a gag, a dream sequence. Also if you watch the film and see the flashbacks to him drowning it's very quick you can't even see him properly. They will have filmed the scenes with the small budget with Ari in make up because of necessity rather than a creative choice.

Go read and watch Crystal Lake Memories and stop acting like you are 100% informed when it's clear you aren't.

This doesn't really matter because there's nothing in the actual films that supports it. If it ain't on screen, it doesn't count.

The point is that sequence was intended as a dream sequence. Jason wasn't originally intended to be a mongoloid. It's something they came up with when doing the dream sequence because they wanted him to be scary.

That was my point he wasn't supposed to be a mongoloid from the start they added that later during filming for a scene they added during filming.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

My point was their original intentions don't really matter because that's not how it plays out in the final product and in the rest of the series. It's part of his character now. Remove it and he loses some of what makes him special. He's just another Harry Warden at that point.

 

[BH/HHH]

My point was their original intentions don't really matter because that's not how it plays out in the final product and in the rest of the series. It's part of his character now. Remove it and he loses some of what makes him special. He's just another Harry Warden at that point.

I don't disagree with that but I was making a point and it got twisted. What's happened since is what matters but I was merely pointing out that originally he wasn't intended to be a mongoloid and when they finished the film he wasn't intended to be anything more than a gag in a dream sequence. He was never supposed to carry the franchise on that came after.

 

[VenomsMom]

How come Freddy and Jason have not tangled again? Bring Pinhead into the mix. Have Bruce Campbell as well. Could you imagine Freddy in Ash nightmare? Hilarious

 

[TheCardPlayer]

My point was their original intentions don't really matter because that's not how it plays out in the final product and in the rest of the series. It's part of his character now. Remove it and he loses some of what makes him special. He's just another Harry Warden at that point.

What's wrong with Harry Warden? One of the most iconic slashers of the eighties, in the one of best films of the slasher golden era.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

What's wrong with Harry Warden? One of the most iconic slashers of the eighties, in the one of best films of the slasher golden era.

No he isn't and it's because he's just a guy. The director of even admitted this in one of the DVD interviews.

I do think that MBV ( and it's 3D remake) are under appreciated for what they are.

I don't disagree with that but I was making a point and it got twisted. What's happened since is what matters but I was merely pointing out that originally he wasn't intended to be a mongoloid and when they finished the film he wasn't intended to be anything more than a gag in a dream sequence. He was never supposed to carry the franchise on that came after.

Fair enough. I don't think anyone could have predicted the success of the series.