The Grits Gonna Hit The Wrestling Thread! - Part 22

[Slushy]

Snitsky claims the comments about Miz on Twitter were not tweets from him... says account was hacked...

or he is as CM Punk would reply...















...a sloppy drunken *****e!

 

[Nemi]

I'm still waiting for the day that someone tweets ''That last tweet was not me! My account was hacked by Jack Daniels.''

 

[chamber-music]

I thought I would repost an interview Eric Bischoff did with The Sun Newspaper in 2009 as its rather intresting in light of the recent times.

What was the thinking behind doing CCW? Surely you and Hulk could have made a lot of money by going to TNA or even going back to work for WWE?


Neither one of us were interested in TNA.

It's a small organisation that doesn't have very much vision. The best way to describe it is like WWE-lite. There was nothing exciting there for Hulk or myself.


Although Dixie Carter is a nice woman, and I'm sure very intelligent, the rest of the people in senior management there are not the sort of people we would like to work with.


As far as doing something with WWE, in Hulk's case, and to a degree in mine, it's 'been there and done that'.


We wanted to do something of our own, that we control and that we had never done before.

Have TNA approached you at all about working for them? What would be your advice to them if they want become a true challenger to the WWE like WCW was?


Sure they have.


But look, the people that are involved in the creative process and vision for TNA are people that couldn't get a job in WWE or shouldn't have had a job in WCW.


There's no vision for that company.


They are people who have never been to the dance. They've never been a part, really, of any of the decision-making processes that led to the success of the industry.


Some of them happen to have been working there while other people did it, but have never really done it for themselves. They just don't have the feel for it.


So that's the reason we wouldn't want to be there.

For me to sit down and say "listen guys, this is what you have to do to be successful" would be like telling a three-year-old how to fly an aeroplane. You can try all you want, they're never going to get it

Did Vince McMahon ever ask you to help book the shows? One thing that has always surprised us is that after your success in WCW you never got to write in WWE?


No.


That's a very personal thing.


Vince is really the head writer. While there are a lot of guys who bring him ideas and storylines, he has a lot of creative control over the things that happen in that company.


And so he should. It's his company, he's been very successful and it's a formula that works for him.


When you take someone like myself or Paul Heyman with strong opinions, creative perspectives and personalities and put us in a room with Vince McMahon - who has the same - it's not usually a good fit.

Bischoff and Hogans opinion has sure changed about TNA thats for sure.

This is what I found most intresting though

Wrestling now seems to be going back to the pre-Monday Night Wars era, with a more family friendly PG-rated WWE. What do you think of that move?


That's a good question and requires a complex answer.


Personally I think it is very risky. In the long term it won't benefit the company. It will put the WWE in a position much like they were pre-Monday Night Wars where they have a small audience that is predominantly children.


That puts you in a difficult position, certainly in the US.

Wrestling is what it is. It is a storyline and character-driven format based on some pretty intense violence.


When you are creating a programme for 18-35 year-old men - as WCW Nitro and WWE Raw did during the Monday Night Wars - it's acceptable.

When you are producing that content for children, it is at the very best uncomfortable for advertisers.


Because you're not really fish or foul - meaning you're not really children's programming but you're not adult programming either.

So you find yourself in this murky grey area.


Advertisers who are targeting children are not going to be comfortable doing so in a wrestling programme, because of the inherent nature of the content.


And at the same time you're not going to be able to sell to advertisers who are looking for 18-35 year-old men, because you've created a children's programme.


It's very tricky.

 

[Metallo]

I didn't even realize that pattern, that's hilarious. I'm guessing he likes to play off of how much people hate his character.

Yeah I said the other day people have been saying for years that the new story was going to write Vince out. Even Vince HIMSELF said the Bret Hart feud leading into Wrestlemania was the end of the Mr McMahon character...but he's come back.

I'll believe its the end of him as the boss on the air in a few years when I've seen it for myself.

TH MDM stage collapse was the epitome of over the top worked shoot nonsense that ended up doing nothing for the show.

Snitsky claims the comments about Miz on Twitter were not tweets from him... says account was hacked...


Wait for it... Waaaaait for it...

Spoiler

"IT WASN'T MY FAULT!"

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/art...nt-was-due-to-his-twitter-being-hacked-133101

I was REALLY hoping he'd say that.

This "my twitter was hacked" nonsense is just too much. Its everybody's excuse when they go too far or get drunk. Apparently Snitsky's hacker even types just like he does! Maybe his bacne sent those tweets!

A WWE/ROH crossover would be cool, but I wonder what WWE would gain from this arrangement?

Nothing much really except a more direct way to draw from a potential talent pool.

Christ..If this is true Jim Cornette must be pissing blood and punching the wall until his fist is a bloody stump.

I'm still waiting for the day that someone tweets ''That last tweet was not me! My account was hacked by Jack Daniels.''

"That last tweet wasn't me! it was...The Black Scorpion!"

 

[Kaleb]

I think there will be some sort of invasion,however I don't think the "ROH" name will be mentioned,I just think it will be CM Punk and his group of "very talented friends" (Black,Cabana,Claudio,Hero and maybe Bryan)

 

[Wheels]

If WWE does a storyline with ROH, and maybe even lets Punk go to ROH TV with the title, then TNA becomes even more irrelevant than they already are. WWE would give ROH more exposure than TNA has ever had.

 

[Benstamania]

WWE Chairman Vince McMahon was reportedly "shocked into silence" when the overnight household ratings for Monday Night Raw came in at a 3.2 yesterday at the Smackdown tapings.

According to a key WWE insider who was backstage, "Vince did his best to no-sell the news, but the entire atmosphere of the backstage area changed once Vince was told of the rating."

WrestleZone was also told, "It seems like Vince and the upper echelon really believed this latest surge in excitement based on the CM Punk angle would really pop the ratings. The slow build back up is really scary for a lot of people right now. There's not an overflow of patience running around in WWE."

I really have to wonder about Vince... Does he expect ratings to sky rocket over night? He's been putting on crap show after crap show for a few years now and then as soon as he does something good he expects it to shoot through the roof?

 

[Nemi]

Yeah I said the other day people have been saying for years that the new story was going to write Vince out. Even Vince HIMSELF said the Bret Hart feud leading into Wrestlemania was the end of the Mr McMahon character...but he's come back.

I'll believe its the end of him as the boss on the air in a few years when I've seen it for myself.

TH MDM stage collapse was the epitome of over the top worked shoot nonsense that ended up doing nothing for the show.




I was REALLY hoping he'd say that.

This "my twitter was hacked" nonsense is just too much. Its everybody's excuse when they go too far or get drunk. Apparently Snitsky's hacker even types just like he does! Maybe his bacne sent those tweets!




Nothing much really except a more direct way to draw from a potential talent pool.

Christ..If this is true Jim Cornette must be pissing blood and punching the wall until his fist is a bloody stump.




"That last tweet wasn't me! it was...The Black Scorpion!"

I just hope that this angle doesn't involve Triple H doing the job so terribly that they have to bring Vince back since that will just make him look really bad when he legit takes over.

 

[TripleR]

I just hope that this angle doesn't involve Triple H doing the job so terribly that they have to bring Vince back since that will just make him look really bad when he legit takes over.

Doubt they'd do that because:

A) They'd never want to make Triple H look that bad.

B) One day he actually will take over. On that day, investors will be scared ****less and stock will drop. They don't need to make that transition anymore terrifying by setting a fake precedent of Triple H being unable to do the job.

 

[Project862006]

I really have to wonder about Vince... Does he expect ratings to sky rocket over night? He's been putting on crap show after crap show for a few years now and then as soon as he does something good he expects it to shoot through the roof?

yeah makes no sense it took several months for wwe to beat wcw when they had the austin character blow up and vince/austin feud

ratings dont blow up overnight

 

[Metallo]

I really have to wonder about Vince... Does he expect ratings to sky rocket over night? He's been putting on crap show after crap show for a few years now and then as soon as he does something good he expects it to shoot through the roof?

Vince has the patience of a small cranky child

The Punk story has certainly energized the regular fanbase but Punk was never given long term support to be a long term regular top guy. Why is Vince surprised? You reap what you sow. It would take something MUCH bigger to grab more of the mainstream or casual audience. He can't expect Punk to have the kind of star power overnight to create a huge surge in viewership when he was mishandled and put on the backburner for years.

And yet such is the thinking of Vince McMahon. if a guy isn't huge draw immediately Vince throws his diaper against the wall.

 

[Nemi]

Vince has the patience of a small cranky child

The Punk story has certainly energized the regular fanbase but Punk was never given long term support to be a long term regular top guy. Why is Vince surprised? You reap what you sow. It would take something MUCH bigger to grab more of the mainstream or casual audience. He can't expect Punk to have the kind of star power overnight to create a huge surge in viewership when he was mishandled and put on the backburner for years.

And yet such is the thinking of Vince McMahon. if a guy isn't huge draw immediately Vince throws his diaper against the wall.

Of all the ******** that he said on monday I think it was the ''I think long term not short term'' that was the most insulting to my intelligence.

 

[Hunter Rider]

a radio interview i believe here is the audio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_68tFDI9OxU

Thanks. HBK is right, hopefully when JoMo returns he can get to the next level.

You beat me to it but I was just thinking of some fantasy booking myself even though I rarely do this. Guess the excitement of the past month in WWE has gotten the better of me lol.

Bear with me, this is long, but I put lots of thought into it, and would appreciate feedback.

Instead of booking all the way through WM for one title I've just been thinking of the WM card and the top matches on it. Looking ahead I think the show has potential to have like 4 big main events.

• Rock v. Cena = Obviously going to happen. It shouldn't be for the title though, it doesn't need it at all. This should be the main event because as much as I hate to say it I doubt anything will be able to follow it.

• Bryan v. Orton - WHT = If they allow this Bryan thing to play out the right way he has 8 months to be built up spectacularly. Let him work his way through the SD roster working with everyone. Slater, Gabriel, finish his program with Cody, go through Barrett, Sheamus, and eventually take down Henry at RR. After that, he'll be more than credible enough to walk into WM as a championship challenger. Not sure who the champ will be then, but I'm thinking probably Orton because who else is there on SD?

• Undertaker v. ?? - Streak match = Taker will be there unless he's crippled, the guy won't stay down for better or worse, and with this being the 20th Streak match I can't fathom him missing it. Not entirely sure who the challenger should be, but I wouldn't be opposed to Jericho if he's back in time. He'd be able to help Taker to a fantastic match, and is a big enough star to be worthy of what may be the last streak match. Other options could be Sheamus if they get serious about getting him back on the right track, or possibly Barrett, who Taker is said to be high on and wants to work with (but he'd need VERY strong booking to get to that level).

• Triple H v. CM Punk - WWE Title = I don't have a clue where this Punk thing is headed and I like it that way. That being said, when he does come back he should engage in a unification match against the current champion, the storyline writes itself. Miz could work like Nell suggested, but I'd prefer Cena. They still have unfinished business, and no way they keep the title off Cena all the way until WM. Let Cena get it back in the fall just before Punk comes back, then at the Royal Rumble they have their big final showdown. By this point Punk is an anti-hero/face, the rebellious voice of the voiceless, fighting a still face Cena who doesn't realize he's a big part of what's wrong with the company. Punk wins and becomes the undisputed champion. This also allows the Rock/Cena match to be nontitle.
  
  Up until this point, I'd have Triple H very rarely be on tv. He's the new Mr. McMahon, and in recent years we haven't seen much of Vince so HHH should follow in those foot steps. Also keep in mind he's currently a face, and was forced into his new position. This wasn't heel HHH scheming his way into a coup to gain control over the company. He's a corporate business man now who was forced into this role by the Board of Directors. Until RR, he should make rare appearances, only when an authority figure is needed, and not really involve himself in angles as a heel or face.
  
  The old (heel) Triple H should only come back after Punk returns and becomes undisputed champ. His motivation is that he now is in charge of the well being of the WWE, and Punk's the man who turn the company upside down, disgraced the title he loves so much, and began the chain of events that led to his father in law being forced out of his own company.
  
  Triple H's turn is made interesting by the fact that he's essentially become what he's always hated: the establishment. He's not the DX crotch chopping renegade anymore. He's wearing suits in board meetings. He's not fighting the boss, and kicking his father in laws ass, he IS the boss, and he's turned into Vince. I'd even have him cut a promo where he admits he finally sees why Vince was always the way he was, and why he now needs to become that person. "You can't do this job without being the bad guy. When you're the boss you need to do things people don't like for the good of the company. I finally see that now." Something like that. Perfect character and heel turn for Punk to play off as the rebel anti-hero.
  
  I'd have the Cena/Punk match go on before the Rumble, and have HHH be a surprise entrant half way through, and win it to get his title shot against Punk. HHH added himself last minute after seeing Punk win. From there, the story writes itself, leading to the big blowoff where Punk beats HHH for the title. This cements Punk on top, almost as a new Austin type figure. The unlikely hero, the champion of the oppressed, bla bla bla.

There you have it, FOUR main events appealing to every segment of the audience. Indy/hardcore/internet fans have Bryan in a title match. Mainstream casual fans get Rock and Cena. Taker appeals to pretty much everyone and since he's on borrowed time no one will miss a streak match. Punk and HHH capitalize on the insane hype around Punk, and with Punk going over you hook the people who have been watching/cheering for Punk.

I had reservations about HHH winning the Rumble, but to put over Punk, with Bryan in a title match, and possibly another young guy being made by working with Taker, there are enough young stars being spotlighted and solidified on the show to justify an old name winning the Royal Rumble.

Thoughts???

This would be a fantastic card. I think The Rock vs Cena needs to be well thought out booking wise as it's a bit undefined right now and isn't really the clash of two mega faces the way the WWE want it to be, it kinda needs an extra hook to make it more than a novelty.

Punk vs Triple H could be pure gold if both guys are allowed freedom and Triple H brings his working boots. The dynamic is perfect and it will give Triple H a fresh kind of heel chracter to play, while Punk right now will be coming into it as the hottest character in the business.

Jericho is a decent option for the streak match but if he gets back sooner I'd make him World champion and do Bryan vs Jericho for the title and Sheamus vs Taker for the streak, however I have a hard time believing WWE will push Bryan all the way to a Mania title match.

 

[Project862006]

hope Vince does'nt panic on raw rating like someone said on another board

Nobody is going to come back to wrestling this quickly in 2011. It is seen as uncool and is not a current trend and who can blame society with the way WWE has guided the industry. As someone else said Austin 3:16 promo was cut in mid 1996, WWE had perhaps their best television from Bret Hart's return in late 1996 through till Summerslam in 1997 when Bret took the title from Taker thanks to Shawn. It wasn't really till Iron Mike hit television in early 1998 that the product really started to swing.WWE did'nt beat Nitro in ratings till April 13,1998 literally about 2 years after birth of Austin 3:16 so WWE needs some patience.

Now given that the Internet and Social Media is a much bigger part of society now, I'd say were still looking at maybe six to eight months before anyone would believe in this company again if they kept up consistently good television, which btw I don' tthink is possible when its being booked by a full out writing team.

 

[Kaleb]

Hey Vince put the belt back on Miz see if that helps your rating.

 

[Wheels]

Lets look at the ratings after Austin won KOTR and WWF started pushing him hard.

June 10, 1996 - 2.7 rating
June 17, 1996 - 2.3 rating
<--- 3:16 speech at KOTR on June 23rd
June 24, 1996 - 2.7 rating
July 1, 1996 - 2.6 rating

The ratings only really got into a stride in late 1997/early 1998. *

 

[TripleR]

Unfortunately I read the plan is to give Rey a huge push going into Summerslam. Their reasoning? He's now the only masked guy on tv right now, and Raw is in his hometown the following night.

So it's looking like Miz will get the belt again so Rey can win it at Summerslam.

Just when I thought I'd never miss Cena being in the title scene, this rumor pops up...

 

[LOBO3315a]

I really have to wonder about Vince... Does he expect ratings to sky rocket over night? He's been putting on crap show after crap show for a few years now and then as soon as he does something good he expects it to shoot through the roof?

Well considering he knows what we want better than we do, yes he expects to RAW to be the #1 rated show forever and always on Monday and Tuesday nights. Nevermind that the show is only on Monday nights. He thinks it's so great it should bleed over.

 

[Kaleb]

Good lord lmao

 

[Wheels]

When WWF started pushing Austin hard in 1996 the ratings were in the 2's and it took them until Apirl of 1997 to get into the 3's. They didn't reach the 4 range until the first half of 1998.

 

[BlackLantern]

Of all the ******** that he said on monday I think it was the ''I think long term not short term'' that was the most insulting to my intelligence.

again...this opinion is purely in terms of what the WWE has done business wise, not the creative content of its programming

how so? its the truth (from a business perspective)....he bought the WWWF from his dad, raided the territories and got into cable tv....and all the "old guys" thought he was out of his tree and look what happened?

WCW took the first shot in the Monday Night Wars and Vince took the WWF/E in a new direction with guys like HBK, Stone Cold, and the Rock....look what happened there

things are in a downturn right now and we all know wrestling is cyclical

the WWE has outlasted all its competitors and is now the only game in town if you want to make any REAL money in professional wrestling

 

[Dr. Evil]

I think there will be some sort of invasion,however I don't think the "ROH" name will be mentioned,I just think it will be CM Punk and his group of "very talented friends" (Black,Cabana,Claudio,Hero and maybe Bryan)

I think you mean Seth Rollins, Scotty Goldman, Baron Von Count, Ranch Thomas and Daniel Bryan.

The chances of Hero and Claudio having stupid and ******ed names is 100% likely.

 

[BlackLantern]

so when are we gonna get the debut of Arthur Yacht? Dr Evil and I need to get the "Yacht Club" tshirts ready to go

 

[Darkness Falls]

its been awhile since i posted here
but wow, its been an interesting week in wwe

Money in the bank was ppv of the year so far
Punk winning the wwe title
Christian winning the whc
danielson and del rio winning the mitb


and of course.... triple h becoming "the boss"

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lol

 

[Nemi]

again...this opinion is purely in terms of what the WWE has done business wise, not the creative content of its programming

how so? its the truth (from a business perspective)....he bought the WWWF from his dad, raided the territories and got into cable tv....and all the "old guys" thought he was out of his tree and look what happened?

WCW took the first shot in the Monday Night Wars and Vince took the WWF/E in a new direction with guys like HBK, Stone Cold, and the Rock....look what happened there

things are in a downturn right now and we all know wrestling is cyclical

the WWE has outlasted all its competitors and is now the only game in town if you want to make any REAL money in professional wrestling

Uh....well you are right, I just don't see what that has to do with what I said.