The Grits Gonna Hit The Wrestling Thread! - Part 22

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you said that Vince saying he thinks "long term" insults your intelligence....my response was that statement is the truth, regarding the business of the WWE

so how is that an insult to your intelligence?
 
Vince does think long term. He wouldn't be this successful if he didn't. I think Vince saying that was supposed to come off as Vince McMahon CEO speaking, not Mr. McMahon, evil boss. In that way, he does think long term whether people realize it or not based in questionable, sometimes shortsighted booking.
 
you said that Vince saying he thinks "long term" insults your intelligence....my response was that statement is the truth, regarding the business of the WWE

so how is that an insult to your intelligence?

Because Vince thinks his long term thinking is actually producing GOOD ideas even if we don't think they are at the moment we see them.

How did his "long term thinking" on The "Mr McMahons bastard son is Hornswoggle" storyline produce a whole lot of good entertaining tv?

WWE has been producing mostly mediocre to terrible entertainment for years but Mr McMahon feels we imply "don't get it" because we don't see his "long term thinking."

His "long term thinking" answer is his excuse for why people may not like some of WWE's ideas when the reality is sometimes they just flat out suck.

thats why some people may feel their intelligence is insulted.

And yeah I DO think thats Vince the real guy speaking from his "heart." Not a line from the "Mr McMahon" character. He honestly believes what he says. like the time he said "you people like what I tell you to like!"
 
as I prefaced my original statement, from a business perspective

it had nothing to do with the creative content of the show
 
Vince does think long term but he does'nt think about how it will effect the short term

like burying a superstar just because they have big plans for a later date
 
like Nell said yesterday, why should the WWE push someone who is clearly on moving on....granted the WWE is extreme in their treatment on the way out, but the point still holds

would you promote someone who has said theyll be quitting in 2 or 3 weeks?
 
The booking doesn't seem to be long term based, you keep hearing about shows that are still being written that morning and on one occasion while it happening if I remember correctly. Storyline wise CM Punk being allowed anywhere near a title shot before signing a new contract is pretty much proof that you aren't thinking very far ahead.
 
WCW took the first shot in the Monday Night Wars and Vince took the WWF/E in a new direction with guys like HBK, Stone Cold, and the Rock....look what happened there

A lot of that wasn't really his doing but more the people around him doing things their way...even when he told them not to. We are seeing the kind of product Vince more or less wants right now with the kind of star he wants right now. In the 90's he was FORCED to let the WWF change into what it became. If Vince had kept running WWF the way he wanted to they might not be in business today.

things are in a downturn right now and we all know wrestling is cyclical

In this day in age...I'm not so sure that "cycle" will peak at the same levels it did in the past. Not unless Vince gets with and taps into the times.

the WWE has outlasted all its competitors and is now the only game in town if you want to make any REAL money in professional wrestling

Or you can go to do other things like MMA and make more money and get more respect and not have to deal with as much ridiculous bullsh** behind the scenes. Just sayin...

Pretty soon WWE might have to wake up and realize that the only reason people are trying to work there now is because they LOVE the business...and WWE is doing more and more to stamp out the love of many of the people int he business everyday.

when I look at company like UFC I think a lot more people who may hove done wrestling in the past are turning to MMA. When you have the long term cornerstone veteran of the company saying he'd do MMA today instead of wrestling...you know theres a problem.
 
This angle has only been going for a little over a month. MITB was a great PPV, but it's foolish of VInce to be upset that the rating only went up three points. The changes he started in 1996 didn't begin payoff big ratings wise until 1998.

At least the rating went UP and not down.
 
so when are we gonna get the debut of Arthur Yacht? Dr Evil and I need to get the "Yacht Club" tshirts ready to go

And lets hope that Arthur Yacht is mentioned as the son of Ricky Steamboat.
 
as I prefaced my original statement, from a business perspective

it had nothing to do with the creative content of the show

Their business has been slowly eroding for years because of their creative content. The two are intertwined as far as making money and staying relevant.

When you look at some of those PPV numbers dropping by 10,000 buys each year I'd think that was apparent.

How has Vince's long term thinking helped that over the past decade? That IS long term.
 
I read that another ROH guy (Jimmy Jacobs) got a tryout with the WWE.

I'm calling it now: his WWE name will be Lift Williams
 
The booking doesn't seem to be long term based, you keep hearing about shows that are still being written that morning and on one occasion while it happening if I remember correctly. Storyline wise CM Punk being allowed anywhere near a title shot before signing a new contract is pretty much proof that you aren't thinking very far ahead.

Yeah exactly. Vince's BROAD general vision for the company may be long term but even that is questionable.

Its a smart long term business decision to invest in creating new stars to promote and draw for the product. Vince hasn't tried hard enough to do that. They didn't think long term there. They wanted until the last minute. Procrastination like a motherf***er

Most of their ideas for the company creatively and even business related seem to be things that happen on the fly. Look at the HOF building. They don't seem to know their a** from a hole in the ground as far as what to do there. same is true for the WWE network. They're gonna do it next year...but they've been saying "next year" for like four years. Have they REALLY put the research into this that they say they have? I know its not easy to start a network but they've laid out virtually ZERO ideas on what their plan is.

Love it or hate it Oprahs business decisions for her network WERE long term and she was talking about them years ago.


This angle has only been going for a little over a month. MITB was a great PPV, but it's foolish of VInce to be upset that the rating only went up three points. The changes he started in 1996 didn't begin payoff big ratings wise until 1998.

At least the rating went UP and not down.

And sadly I think in some ways the business as a whole may be more cooled off now than it was in 96.

There is no competition from a WCW and there is no cutting edge company like ECW to "take" ideas and talent from. The territorial groomed talent is all but dead (literally in some cases) and most to the great booking minds in the business are old, ignored, out of ideas, or have been put to pasture.

Vince acts like ratings are like alchemy were you can take one thing and turn it into something else immediately. Doesn't work that way. They've let too much sh** pile up to immediately expect gold.
 
jimmy should or at least hope does well in WWE he has a decent look pretty good on the mic and has a good personality and charisma even tho he is quite small.
 
I read that another ROH guy (Jimmy Jacobs) got a tryout with the WWE.

I'm calling it now: his WWE name will be Lift Williams

So is Arthur Yacht actually a name they were planning on using or is just a really long running gag in this thread?
 
So is Arthur Yacht actually a name they were planning on using or is just a really long running gag in this thread?

Long running gag based on the stupidity of the WWE to have Michael McGullicuty and Husky Harris and acknowledging who their famous fathers were when those names had no relation to any of their family members.
 
Well putting it on Punk certainly didn't help. :awesome:

Lets see...the two highest rated segments on last weeks RAW had Punk front and center, and after Punk winning at MITB the rating went up three points. Everything on RAW last night was related to Punk's title win, and his name was chanted during the VInce segments.
 
I really have to wonder about Vince... Does he expect ratings to sky rocket over night? He's been putting on crap show after crap show for a few years now and then as soon as he does something good he expects it to shoot through the roof?

I don't know what the numbers were for The Rock's RAW appearances this year so if anybody can provide those numbers, that'd be great.

The last time the ratings went skyhigh was when they finally gave the belt to Edge in 2006 then of course they took it off him 3 weeks later. Go figure. -_-
 
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