The Grits Gonna Hit The Wrestling Thread! - Part 22

[Project862006]

WWE champion CM Punk is in San Diego for the Comic-Con. We received word he arrived this evening

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

to be fair miz was randomly thrown the title and cheap mitb win

he was'nt built up and loosing to daniel bryan did'nt help him

a big reason why mitb winners should not have mid card titles since they have to lose it before they cash in mitb

It's hard to call it a cheap win when he's one of the few people to cash in and actually win clean.

Sure, Orton was worn down from another match, but he wasn't totally vulnerable and Miz had a legit match with him. It's a lot cleaner than most cash ins, ala CM Punk cashing in on an Edge that just got a Batista Bomb, or Thwagger cashing in on a beaten down Jericho that couldn't defend himself.

 

[Project862006]

no one has actually had a straight up clean win via mitb cash in

even rvd had an edge interference with his title win

 

[Team Andino]

Seriously?

I see it as telling them not to do it knowing they'll do it even louder to get a better reaction on TV.

 

[Slushy]

It has happened about a dozen times already.

I meant for the world title this time to change things up!

It's hard to call it a cheap win when he's one of the few people to cash in and actually win clean.

Going by that logic, Edge won his first WWE Championship clean when he cashed in on a tired John Cena then.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Going by that logic, Edge won his first WWE Championship clean when he cashed in on a tired John Cena then.

I couldn't comment on that since it was during the period of time that I wasn't watching. If Edge pretty much did the same thing that Miz did, then yea, I'd call it pretty clean, at least by MITB standards.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Why did Juan ditch his mask?

 

[NDX]

And WWE's cloning process has been perfected.

 

[chamber-music]

I really have to wonder about Vince... Does he expect ratings to sky rocket over night? He's been putting on crap show after crap show for a few years now and then as soon as he does something good he expects it to shoot through the roof?

Exactly this ain't 1998 you got to do alot more these days to win peoples attention

 

[Metallo]

And the flip argument to that is that CM Punk was given a truly unique and innovative story arc to use, and given ultimate freedom with his worked shoot that started this whole bit. Miz was booked as the third wheel in his own Wrestlemania main event, and while The Miz did everything he could to make himself relevant, and it was his work during that run that truly made me a fan, he was not given the same type of intriguing booking that CM Punk has been this past month.

Thats not even an argument because Wrestlemania is such massive event that it gives far more of an advantage. Because of that the show and the build up to it draws more interest than anything else.

And they also inserted Miz into the Rock/Cena issue to get heat but if anything it backfired and showed how irrelevant he really was.

It wasn't just booking it was Punk being good.

Besides you're always the guy saying booking doesn't matter one way or another if a guy is over or not. Now you cite Punk having good booking vs Miz's poor booking as an excuse?

Nobody is a draw like in the past...but Miz is an even lesser draw. Everybody knew exactly how Cena vs Miz would end because there was no other believable way it COULD end. With Cena vs Punk nobody was sure how it would end because they realized Punk had the skill to look like he was on Cenas level inside the ring AND out.

 

[Nemi]

I see it as telling them not to do it knowing they'll do it even louder to get a better reaction on TV.

That's true...they have know by now that they can't tell the audience how to react so that probably was on purpose.

Thats not even an argument because Wrestlemania is such massive event that it gives far more of an advantage. Because of that the show and the build up to it draws more interest than anything else.

And they also inserted Miz into the Rock/Cena issue to get heat but if anything it backfired and showed how irrelevant he really was.

It wasn't just booking it was Punk being good.

Besides you're always the guy saying booking doesn't matter one way or another if a guy is over or not. Now you cite Punk having good booking vs Miz's poor booking as an excuse?

Nobody is a draw like in the past...but Miz is an even lesser draw. Everybody knew exactly how Cena vs Miz would end because there was no other believable way it COULD end. With Cena vs Punk nobody was sure how it would end because they realized Punk had the skill to look like he was on Cenas level inside the ring AND out.

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[Kaleb]

That's.....so sad

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Thats not even an argument because Wrestlemania is such massive event that it gives far more of an advantage. Because of that the show and the build up to it draws more interest than anything else.

And they also inserted Miz into the Rock/Cena issue to get heat but if anything it backfired and showed how irrelevant he really was.

It wasn't just booking it was Punk being good.

Besides you're always the guy saying booking doesn't matter one way or another if a guy is over or not. Now you cite Punk having good booking vs Miz's poor booking as an excuse?

Nobody is a draw like in the past...but Miz is an even lesser draw. Everybody knew exactly how Cena vs Miz would end because there was no other believable way it COULD end. With Cena vs Punk nobody was sure how it would end because they realized Punk had the skill to look like he was on Cenas level inside the ring AND out.

Wrestlemania + The Rock barely drew in higher ratings than what we have now, and have had for the past few weeks.

That proves my point that nobody is a freaking draw right now, the WWE as a whole is what it's going to be.. Let's not go overboard about how huge a draw Punk is when this whole angle isn't getting any higher ratings at the moment. WWE has been getting 3.2's and even higher for about as long as I've been active in this thread.

I know the fact that some people out there like The Miz makes you lose sleep at night, but let's calm down. I said if a wrestler is over, he's over, and some crap booking isn't going to make him not over. I never said that crap booking wouldn't decline interest in the product as a whole.

I still like The Miz, despite the fact that he's essentially been cast back down to the mid card for the time being. The Miz solidified himself as my current favorite during his run to Wrestlemania, because despite being booked as the 3rd wheel, I felt he was putting in the best work of that run. But until this Punk angle came about, WWE was becoming a snooze fest and my interest in the show was waning.

 

[Metallo]

Wrestlemania + The Rock barely drew in higher ratings than what we have now, and have had for the past few weeks.

That proves my point that nobody is a freaking draw right now, the WWE as a whole is what it's going to be.. Let's not go overboard about how huge a draw Punk is when this whole angle isn't getting any higher ratings at the moment. WWE has been getting 3.2's and even higher for about as long as I've been active in this thread.

I know the fact that some people out there like The Miz makes you lose sleep at night, but let's calm down. I said if a wrestler is over, he's over, and some crap booking isn't going to make him not over. I never said that crap booking wouldn't decline interest in the product as a whole.

I still like The Miz, despite the fact that he's essentially been cast back down to the mid card for the time being. The Miz solidified himself as my current favorite during his run to Wrestlemania, because despite being booked as the 3rd wheel, I felt he was putting in the best work of that run. But until this Punk angle came about, WWE was becoming a snooze fest and my interest in the show was waning.

I am calm. I just find it funny that you've got one set of rules and then another when it applies to the Miz then get your panties in a knot when he's shown to be the talent you think he is.

Or that you always talk about what YOU like and throw up that excuse but when someone else has an opinion you immediately b**** about hating the IWC...even though you ARE the IWC. Now your using the excuse of booking???

Its like Mondays Raw...if anyone apparently lost sleep it was you. Somebody didn't like that Raw? Nell's response:

Rocks segments DID draw...but not for the entire show. As soon as The Miz showed up people yawned and turned the channel most of the time. The point isn't that nobody is a draw...the point is that he's LESS of a draw than some others. Punk was WWE champ for oone Raw. Miz was WWE champ for 5 months worth of Raws. if anything that reflects even more badly on Miz.

Maybe you should take your own advice. If you are so calm why do you feel this burning desire to defend your boy The Miz? He got cast back down the Mizcard...maybe cause he belongs there for now.

 

[Kaleb]

Colt Cabana appeared on Busted Open with Doug Mortman and Dave LaGreca, which airs Mondays and Wednesdays from 2:00 to 4:00 p.m. on Sirius 92 and XM 207. Highlights from his interview are as follows:

Colt Cabana on knowing about CM Punk’s promo in advance: "I knew his contract was expiring and I basically see Punk everyday when he’s not on the road and he constantly told me his frustrations for what was going on, how he felt disrespected. All these things he let loose on air. And he kept on telling me about the power of a live microphone and how important it was....and a couple of weeks later he says a microphone in anyone else’s hand is a microphone but in his hand it’s a pipe-bomb. So for when he was ready to go, I knew it. I knew it was gonna happen.

"He kind of said, 'Hey make sure you watch tonight. It’s gonna be fun.' In the first segment he was out there with Shawn Michaels and he got a couple of rips on Shawn Michaels and he was joking around in the ring and looked really loose and natural and I thought it was awesome…but then two hours later at the end of the show and I was like ‘Oh, that wasn’t what he was talking about! This is gonna be amazing!’ and then he sat down and went to work. It was so cool and it’s like you said, he’s all the talk right now because of him. It was nothing nobody wrote for him, no storyline that somebody was trying to get across. It was him, people listening to his words, hearing his frustration. It’s made for great television and it’s made for people to watch wrestling again."

Colt Cabana on Punk speaking from the heart and no catchphrases: "We talk about it all the time when writers will come with ideas and he’ll just be like 'Nope…I’ll say what I want to say.' And they’re like 'Oh, okay.' And obviously that’s how it determines the storyline and what-not. So for years now almost on TV when Punk, as soon as he kind of got comfortable with the suits and all that stuff, he says his own words and it’s really his own promos. He puts them the way he wants to do. He’s a magician on that microphone. His ability to talk has always been top notch. Even the first year of shows we were doing in Milwaukee or Minnesota he’s always great on the microphone.

"So for anyone to write that would be crazy…anyone except him. He’s the only one possible to do that. But yeah, nobody knew it. I know for a fact it was, 'Hey I’m gonna get the microphone and just say what I want.' And he did and it was amazing. There wasn’t any catch phrases, you know that’s what I don’t think people realize. He didn’t come back and say 'La la la la la' or 'I’m Awesome' or whatever. There was no catchphrases, and nobody saying 'What?!' and nobody singing along. It was people sitting down and listening to him talk. Just like a real f’n person. And because he just spoke his mind without catch phrases it was just the way he thinks, it blew up the internet, it blew up Twitter, it blew up YouTube, it blew up Facebook and it blew up the wrestling world."

Colt Cabana on being a free agent, open to going back to WWE and hates that his WWE Legacy is "Scotty Goldman": "I have zero contract with anybody right now. I’m a free agent, I’m like an underground band, I’m a cult’s wrestler if you will. I’m really on the underground and I would be more than open to talk with the WWE and really right that wrong. I almost want to go back there because I can’t live with the fact that was my run in WWE. It really eats at me. Don’t get me wrong I am so happy right now in my career mentally, physically, financially; everything is going great it’s everything I’ve ever wanted.

"But that fan of the Junkyard Dog when I was eight in me still isn’t happy with what Scotty Goldman was on WWE Television. So a little bit of me would be happy. If not, fine. I’m doing great with myself right now. Either way, I just want to make sure that I’m still in wrestling, that I’m still relevant, that people are checking out my web series, people are listening to my podcast and they’re digging me. And right now they are. If you want to judge that, or if there needs to be a table, I have 40,000 Twitter followers or what-not, and I know that’s a lot more than some of the guys from WWE. So right now Colt Cabana is pretty powerful than most of the guys on the television there at least on the undercard."

Colt Cabana on the world looking for something different in wrestling and CM Punk is that: "I thought it was stale for a bit, but now Punk is really reviving some interest in it…I think the world needs to realize it, is that CM Punk is a six-foot whatever, tattooed, the guy never showers....you know just a punk kid and he’s the number one thing in wrestling right now. And it doesn’t have to be 6’4" full of muscles, tribal tattoos or whatever it is, six pack, eight pack abs…I think the world is looking for something different and I think that if they realize that 'Wow here’s our new leader' you know and he’s nothing like there has ever been before.

"And if the world of wrestling realizes that, then I think wrestling will be okay. But until then, and this is not just WWE but everybody else is the world of wrestling, if they keep on going back to what worked 30 years ago and go backwards instead of going forward, then God save us all. But hopefully he’s starting a new trend. Like he said, he’s the voice of the voiceless, and hopefully he can speak loudest for the misfits in this world who are capable of a lot more than people give us credit for."

 

[Kaleb]

CM Punk crashed WWE's panel discussion this afternoon at the San Diego Comic-Con, featuring Triple H, Rey Mysterio and WWE Hall of Famer Bret Hart.

Punk announced himself via bullhorn and then, with WWE Championship in tow, took to the designated question-asking microphone and began to speak. The Straight Edge Superstar took exception to WWE attempting to crown a new champion on Raw and then challenged Mysterio, or anyone else who wanted to be champ, to head out to Chicago to face him.

Punk then also asked Triple H and WWE writer Brian Gewirtz why Zack Ryder wasn't on television. Triple H, in what appeared to be a kayfabe response, told Punk that things had changed on Raw and there was a new regime. He told Punk to give him a call. Punk responded by telling Hunter that he was sure Stephanie had his number.



Must get video of this.

 

[TX85]

CM Punk crashed WWE's panel discussion this afternoon at the San Diego Comic-Con, featuring Triple H, Rey Mysterio and WWE Hall of Famer Bret Hart.

Punk announced himself via bullhorn and then, with WWE Championship in tow, took to the designated question-asking microphone and began to speak. The Straight Edge Superstar took exception to WWE attempting to crown a new champion on Raw and then challenged Mysterio, or anyone else who wanted to be champ, to head out to Chicago to face him.

Punk then also asked Triple H and WWE writer Brian Gewirtz why Zack Ryder wasn't on television. Triple H, in what appeared to be a kayfabe response, told Punk that things had changed on Raw and there was a new regime. He told Punk to give him a call. Punk responded by telling Hunter that he was sure Stephanie had his number.

Must get video of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2NAvDqglbAE.....Awesome stuff right there!

 

[venom892]

That sounds way too awesome!The bullhorn has to become a part of Punk's gimmick!

 

[Metamorpho1977]

So if anyone had any doubt that Punk was coming back that answered my question.

 

[spidey-dude]

sounds like he has a new contract to me...

 

[spidey-dude]

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[venom892]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2NAvDqglbAE.....Awesome stuff right there!

That was fantastic!No doubt about it I want HHH/Punk at WM28!

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

this is genius

 

[TX85]

I'm very impressed with how WWE is doing this story so darn beautiful,Punk still untouchable and so yeah.....This needs to be build up till WM with Trips vs Punk!!!

 

[Wheels]

This Punk angle is freaking great.