The Guns thread - Part 1

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Also, saw this nice piece from Walter Williams..

http://walterewilliams.com/hidden-agenda-or-ignorance/
Before we discuss violence with guns, I’d like to run a couple of questions by you. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, every day nearly 30 Americans die in motor vehicle crashes that involve drunk driving. What kind of restrictions should be placed on automobile ownership? Should there be federal background checks in order for people to obtain a driver’s license or purchase a car?

The FBI’s 2015 Uniform Crime Report shows that nearly three times more people were stabbed or hacked to death than were killed with shotguns and rifles combined. The number of shotgun and rifle deaths totaled 548. People who were stabbed or hacked to death totaled 1,573. Should there be federal background checks and waiting periods for knife purchases?

Any mature and reasonable person would argue that it is utter nonsense to deal with drunk driving deaths and knife deaths by having federal background checks and waiting periods to obtain a driver’s license or to purchase a car or knife. One would recognize, just as courts and the general public do, that cars and knives are inanimate objects and cannot act on their own. Therefore, if we want to do something about deaths resulting from drunk driving or being stabbed or hacked to death, we must focus on individuals. It would be folly and gross negligence of victims for us to focus on inanimate objects like cars and knives. Guns are also inanimate objects and like cars and knives cannot act on their own. It’s also plain folly to focus on guns in the cases of shooting deaths.

What about the availability of guns? It turns out that for most of our history, a person could walk into hardware and department stores or a gun store, virtually anywhere in the United States, and purchase a rifle or pistol. The 1902 Sears mail-order catalog had 35 pages of firearm advertisements. Other catalogs and magazines from the 1940s, ’50s and ’60s were full of gun advertisements directed to both youngsters and parents. “What Every Parent Should Know When a Boy or Girl Wants a Gun” was published by the National Shooting Sports Foundation. Another magazine advertised “Get This Cowboy Carbine with Your Christmas Money.” Just a few states even had age restrictions for buying guns. Private transfers of guns to juveniles were unrestricted. Often a 12th or 14th birthday present, from a father to his son, was a shiny new .22 caliber rifle.

Today, there is far less availability of shotguns, rifles and pistols than any time in our history. That historical fact should raise the question: Despite the greater accessibility to guns in previous decades, why wasn’t there the kind of violence we see with today’s far more restricted access to guns? Have rifles and pistols changed their behavior from yesteryear and they are now out committing mayhem and evil? To answer in the affirmative can be dismissed as pure lunacy. Thus, if guns haven’t changed, then it must be that people have changed. Half-witted psychobabble such as stopping children from playing schoolyard games like cops ‘n’ robbers and cowboys ‘n’ Indians won’t do much. Calling for more gun restrictions, gun-free zones and other measures have been for naught.

We must own up to the fact that laws and regulations alone cannot produce a civilized society. Morality is society’s first line of defense against uncivilized behavior. Moral standards of conduct have been under siege in our country for over a half a century. Moral absolutes have been abandoned as guiding principles. We’ve been taught not to be judgmental, that one lifestyle or set of values is just as good as another. We no longer hold people accountable for their behavior and we accept excuse-making. Problems of murder, mayhem and other forms of anti-social behavior will continue until we regain our moral footing.
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LTuser said:
Also, saw this nice piece from Walter Williams..

http://walterewilliams.com/hidden-agenda-or-ignorance/
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Its easy to make things look bad when people hand pick the data. The data given mentions shotguns and rifles when comparing against knives and cutting weapons but for some strange reason leaves out the statistics for handguns and other firearms.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-4.xls

In 2016 11,004 of the 15,070 murders in the US were committed with firearms according to the FBI's own figures while knives and cutting weapons caused 1,604 deaths. So its easy to make knives look like they kill more people when you leave out the weapons use in nearly half of all murders in the US out of the figures (handguns).
 
And yet the narrative seems to be that ARs are what needs to be addressed, not handguns.

Discrepancy.
 
RIP to the 3 women murdered today, in the Yountville incident.

Nothing will happen, nothing will change. See you next shooting!
 
TheCardPlayer said:
RIP to the 3 women murdered today, in the Yountville incident.

Nothing will happen, nothing will change. See you next shooting!
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All we know about this shooting, is he used a Rifle. no mention of what sort of rifle. Where he got it. What his legal status was (IE was he a red flag walking, did he ever get reported) etc.. So its a little early to be armchair quarterbacking it.

Ash J. Williams said:
https://conservativetribune.com/state-gun-confiscation-bill/

I highly doubt confiscation will solve anything.
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And liberals kept saying "WE are not looking to confiscate guns!" Guess they were lying.
 
LTuser said:
All we know about this shooting, is he used a Rifle. no mention of what sort of rifle. Where he got it. What his legal status was (IE was he a red flag walking, did he ever get reported) etc.. So its a little early to be armchair quarterbacking it.



And liberals kept saying "WE are not looking to confiscate guns!" Guess they were lying.
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Ash J. Williams said:
https://conservativetribune.com/state-gun-confiscation-bill/

I highly doubt confiscation will solve anything.
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Seriously guys, look at your sources

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/conservative-tribune/

"The Conservative Tribune displays blatant right wing/conservative bias. Consistently fails fact checks, glorifies violence against African Americans and Muslims and promotes right wing conspiracies. (7/18/2016) Updated (7/19/2017)"
 
It's interesting how that story is making the rounds now even though he was arrested in 2014 and plead guilty in 2015. Just trying to dig up old news, I suppose.
 
LTuser said:
Also, saw this nice piece from Walter Williams..

http://walterewilliams.com/hidden-agenda-or-ignorance/
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Would someone kindly remind this conservative fellow that the Republican President ****ed a porn star and paid her hush money AND is under investigation for what is essentially treason. Maybe this ******** morality crusade conservatives like to bring up should start in their own circles. How about that?
 
It amazes me every day what people choose to overlook. :(
 
The NRA suing Florida pretty much sums them up.
 
Florida - "Let's do something useful about those guns!"

NRA - "**** YOU!"

I think it sums it up pretty well.
 
I own 14 guns.

They range (pun fully-intended) from a Civil War-era Black Powder Cap-n-Ball Revolver to a .357 Magnum as far as pistol calibers, with a pair of shotguns and three rifles in the mix....
I like History. I like to shoot.

I believe in the Right of Gun Ownership...BUT...
Not in the Right to own ALL guns.


I own NO Assault Rifles.
No one needs an assault rifle to hunt..and home defense is best accomplished with either a good handgun or a shotgun.

Assault Rifles...and so-called 'Bump' Stocks, which allow the user to effectively cheat the manufacturer`s design...are to me, heinous and all-too-readily-abused things that should be illegal.

it astounds me that there are those who would argue this point in favor of the sale of these weapons.

I`ve heard the hackneyed line of the NRA for decades about the public needing the freedom to defend themselves against incursions by Big Bad Government...Outlaw even ONE assault rifle, and you slide down the slippery slope to get rid of ALL guns....inviting the day when Big Bad Government takes over, forming a Totalitarian State.

ironically; if such an even transpired, the military would roll into your neighborhood with TANKS, not troops and all the assault rifles ever made will not stop a Tank, let alone the bombardment from air support that would presage the roll-in as a 'softening up' measure ...check your military tactical history...Citizens with assault rifles who think they could stop a military take-over are fools...
So much for that argument.

I have yet to hear anyone give a valid and unassailable argument in favor of assault rifle ownership... It all seems to me, in reality, to come down to; "Because they`re cool and we want to own them!"

Personally, I think that if you really believe that you NEED an assault rifle to defend your home ...Spraying bullets like confetti...

You need to get off your lazy arse and LEARN TO SHOOT.

Marksmanship should be your goal...Not high rate of firepower.
 
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It's interesting how that story is making the rounds now even though he was arrested in 2014 and plead guilty in 2015. Just trying to dig up old news, I suppose.
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Sentenced in 2016. Does that make it untrue that it’s not yesterday? I have no idea why it’s making the rounds again but Stormy Daniels is making the rounds again and I’m sure you’re on top of that from 2016.

The only difference between us is that I’m not refuting the Stormy Daniels stuff. We need all the information to help us better form an opinion on people and politics...yesterday or today’s news.

Dude should have gotten life in prison, not 5 years.
 
I'm not refuting anything. Where, in my post, did I say that the story was untrue? Yeesh.
 
STINGRAY said:
No one needs an assault rifle to hunt..and home defense is best accomplished with either a good handgun or a shotgun.
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Amendment II isn't about hunting or even home defense, it's about the citizens having the means in which to fight back against a tyrannical government.

This is the real reason for Amendment II.
 
Thanos said:
Amendment II isn't about hunting or even home defense, it's about the citizens having the means in which to fight back against a tyrannical government.

This is the real reason for Amendment II.
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And you already know the issues with that amendment.
 
Thanos said:
Amendment II isn't about hunting or even home defense
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....Yet those are the two immediate go-to reasons given for ownership of assault rifles.
Only the rabid nut-bars and mental misanthropes espouse the original reason for Amendment II...and they only do so as justification to OTHER nut-bars and mental misanthropes.
Because those are the only people who would listen to such drivel.

I reiterate; If that much-feared 'tyrannical government' ever should try to enslave the populace, it will not be stopped by a pack of wanna-be-bad-ass nits armed with assault rifles.
Tanks do not flinch at assault rifles.
Air strikes are untouchable by assault rifles.

The Founding Fathers, wary as they were of the potential excesses of Government, were completely ignorant of just how powerful military equipment would one day become.

Defense of the public by the conventional small arms granted by the Second Amendment is therefore about as defensible as an anthill against the average hiking boot.

The only thing the public can do damage against when armed with assault rifles is...The Public.
 
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