The Guns thread - Part 1

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Does a fetus feel pain? You do realize how they mutilate the baby to be able to remove?
I don't want to distract from the thread, but if you don't believe in abortion I would suggest you don't have one. You and Mike Pence have no right to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body. I have always believed in reasonable restrictions on abortion availability. But I do find it disgraceful when the far right - who don't care a whit about children after they exit the birth canal - clutch their collective pearls over abortion. It has everything to do with exercising control over women's bodies and nothing whatsoever to do with compassion.

They can have anesthesia. It’s not torture.

You don't see the safety issue in mutilating already mentally damaged individuals? A little snip snip isn't going to keep Jr. safe.
 
Tears for aborted babies > tears for pedophiles. There is no cure for pedophilia. If you want to champion that cause, go for it.

I see you contain the same reading comprehension skill as the guy in your avy. I have no problem with locking up pedophiles for life if necessary. But if they are released lopping off their penises is a dumb idea that won't solve the problem. Which is probably why it will be Trump's next policy initiative.
 
Are people seriously suggesting torture and mutilation? The hell is going on in here.
Knee-jerk reactions are not limited to any particular spectrum of the political or social world.
 
Yeah, I'm not even sure sterilization is necessary with pedophiles. Just put them the hell away for a long time and supervise/surveil the **** out of them once they're out.

I agree. Just release padeos into gen population, at most any prison, LET THE inmates know who the are, and back off.. Let the inmates deal with the pedo..

That's the discrepancy, though. You don't want to ban all guns (some do, but the left in general doesn't, agreed), just a couple of specific models that account for a tiny, ridiculously small amount of gun murders in the country when compared to other types.

Exactly. Banning one type of gun, just cause it's scary, when the FACTS show that AR's account for barely 4% of mass shootings, is just imo a knee jerk 'feel good' reaction..

Your hyperbole` aside, the fact is that ANY Idiot Can Pull A Trigger...

So if anyone can pull a trigger, then why focus just on one small group of weapons?

By your reasoning, the military should be just as capable with Glocks and a bandoleer of magazines...yet they don`t arm troops that way, do they?

Most military engagements are at range, where they NEED the distance of a rifle over a pistol...

It`s called an ASSAULT rifle for a reason, y`know....'Dude'.

WHICH IS not what the 'ar ban' is about.. AN ASSAULT Rifle, as defined by the dictionary is a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use.

Does that sound like a 'semi-auto AR-15?? NO..

--By that ..'reasoning', (and I use the term loosely) , why not make the M134 Minigun legal for civilians to own?

Actually it is. You just need a special classification of license to own one..
This is as per Quora.com..
The answer is YES, but only if the minigun was owned legally prior to May 19, 1986 by the person that you are trying to buy it from. Then you have to buy it, get the permission of the ATF to own it, pay the tax stamp on it ($200.00) then get it registered with the help of a Dealer in Destructive Devices (a type of FFL).

Negligent death or abuse of a child resulting in prison time = castration.

Fare enough..
 
Sex offenders have the lowest recidivism rates compared to other criminals. Just thought I'd point that out since some people here like to make up their own facts.
 
Sex offenders have the lowest recidivism rates compared to other criminals. Just thought I'd point that out since some people here like to make up their own facts.

Pedophiles have a 36% recidivism rate over 15 years according to the government. That is prosecuted cases based on laws at that time. Study was done in 2004. You know it’s much higher than that. 46% recidivism when you include violence, not just sexual.

That’s low to you?
 
I don't want to distract from the thread, but if you don't believe in abortion I would suggest you don't have one. You and Mike Pence have no right to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body. I have always believed in reasonable restrictions on abortion availability. But I do find it disgraceful when the far right - who don't care a whit about children after they exit the birth canal - clutch their collective pearls over abortion. It has everything to do with exercising control over women's bodies and nothing whatsoever to do with compassion.

You didn’t answer my question and deflected about not derailing this thread by continuing to derail this thread.

Equating all people that are against abortion with not caring about the child after birth is just as bad as equating all pro choice people and mental disorders. Sure there is some correlation but is that true across all? No. People that don’t care about kids after birth are WRONG. That is partially what is wrong with this Country.

Now I’m not for outlawing abortions, I just don’t agree with them and find them detestable. Watch a video of what happens. People don’t because they don’t want to be disgusted...like not caring how that chicken you ate was tortured it’s entire life. I’m just 100% against any government involvement with tax payer funding to any organization that partakes in such.

You can have the last word but I’ll drop it here as you are right...guns.
 
Pedophiles have a 36% recidivism rate over 15 years according to the government. That is prosecuted cases based on laws at that time. Study was done in 2004. You know it’s much higher than that. 46% recidivism when you include violence, not just sexual.

That’s low to you?

Recidivism rates among sex offenders (not just pedophiles) were lower when compared to non sexual offenders. And the majority of crimes committed by sex offenders who re-offend were for non sexual offenses.

The simple truth is that sex offenses disgust people more and so they think it happens more often than it does and that there are pedophiles lurking around every corner. It's just not true.

Also, I never said their rates were low. I said they were lower than other criminals.
 
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For those who are anti-gun, what say you to this dumb move by Kroger..?

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/2018/03/19/kroger-assault-rifles-magazines/437241002/
I'm perfectly fine with that. What's so dumb about it? They're phasing out something that quote:

"At $7 million in annual firearms sales, the catorgy represents less than 1/175th of 1 percent of Kroger's $123 billion in revenues."

It's not like they're going to go broke over this.

Or what do you say about this kindergarden where teachers (without parental permission) took kids out to protest against guns??

https://www.mrctv.org/blog/schools-push-kids-young-five-gun-protests-and-awareness

https://reclaimct.com/surprise-after-kindergarten-class-seen-walking-by-anti-gun-violence-rally/
I'm not fine with that. Even for causes I might believe in, I wouldn't be okay with a teacher using my very young child as a pawn without my permission.

But.

I'd still prefer it to sending my very young child to a school filled with armed teachers, if were weighing what thing would bother me more.
 
Its a start. I wouldn't be opposed to it and I know if I was ever acting erratically or became afflicted with some serious mental health issues I would hope my friends and family cared enough to do this.

My cousin struggled with depression and the whole family was aware of it. She committed suicide with the gun she kept in the home for self defense leaving behind two daughters as well as a lot of heartache for our family.

Well, I think laws like this are something both parties to get behind. The left tends to blame "lax gun laws", while the right seems to focus more on the federal government failing to enforce said laws. What I like about these laws is that they empower the citizens to act instead of hoping that local and federal law enforcement to do their jobs. I'd like to see something like a Gun Control Restraining Order passed by congress.

I'm sorry to hear about your cousin. 2 out of 3 gun deaths are the result of suicides. I think we could do a lot in minimizing gun violence with these restraining orders. IMO, intervention is the key.
 
How much NRA money does the right take in comparison to the left? In which case is it really surprising that they want to just enforce existing gun laws that aren't enough at all?
 
How much NRA money does the right take in comparison to the left? In which case is it really surprising that they want to just enforce existing gun laws that aren't enough at all?

The NRA actually came out in support of Gun-Violence Restraining Orders.

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Stopping dangerous individuals from getting their hands on any weapon at all is certainly more effective than banning assault weapons. Even if the shooter only had a revolver, he still would have been able inflict harm on individuals. How many mass shootings could have been avoided if the FBI didn't fail in doing their job. This shooter, the Sutherland Springs shooter, and Dylan Roof never should have been able to get their hands on any guns.
 
And yet, was full in support of Trump getting rid of certain mental health restrictions of getting a gun...
 
And yet, was full in support of Trump getting rid of certain mental health restrictions of getting a gun...

Those restrictions put in place by Obama had Social Security reporting any recipients of SSI to the National Instant Background Check System (NICS) to prevent said people from owning firearms. Basically, Obama gave sweeping powers to the SSA to act as judge, jury, and executioner.

Oh, and the ACLU also supported repealing Obama's unconstitutional mandate. This is still America. People still have this thing called due process. An individual needs to be judicated as a threat to themselves and/or others before taking away their rights.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/disability-rights/gun-control-laws-should-be-fair

The American Civil Liberties Union does not oppose gun control laws. As an organization dedicated to defending all constitutional rights, we believe the Second Amendment allows reasonable restrictions to promote public safety.

But gun control laws, like any law, should be fair, effective and not based on prejudice or stereotype. This rule met none of those criteria.

In this era of “alternative facts,” we must urge politicians to create laws based on reliable evidence and solid data.

The thousands of Americans whose disability benefits are managed by someone else range from young people with depression and financial inexperience to older adults with Down syndrome needing help with a limited budget. But no data — none — show that these individuals have a propensity for violence in general or gun violence in particular.

To the contrary, studies show that people with mental disabilities are less likely to commit firearm crimes than to be the victims of violence by others.

Data show that young, white men are most likely to be mass shooters — the issue that politicians care about most, despite accounting for a tiny fraction of gun violence. And men under 35 commit most murders. Shall we enter all young men into the national database? The statistical correlation with gun violence would be stronger.

The ACLU and 23 national disability groups did not oppose this rule because we want more guns in our community. This is about more than guns. Adding more innocent Americans to the National Instant Criminal Background database because of a mental disability is a disturbing trend — one that could be applied to voting, parenting or other rights dearer than gun ownership. We opposed it because it would do little to stem gun violence but do much to harm our civil rights.
 
Well, I think laws like this are something both parties to get behind. The left tends to blame "lax gun laws", while the right seems to focus more on the federal government failing to enforce said laws. What I like about these laws is that they empower the citizens to act instead of hoping that local and federal law enforcement to do their jobs. I'd like to see something like a Gun Control Restraining Order passed by congress.

I'm sorry to hear about your cousin. 2 out of 3 gun deaths are the result of suicides. I think we could do a lot in minimizing gun violence with these restraining orders. IMO, intervention is the key.

It's a can of worms nobody wants to look at on either side really. Suicide and mental health issues are so hard to clearly define. If they were to set out clear guidelines for what is/isn't mental health issues that would require not having access to firearms for X amount of time, would we then see a higher rate of people not disclosing information to Dr's or seeking professional health because of that?

It's also my understanding the ban on studying gun violence from the federal government has been lifted.
 
I find it funny that Fox doesn't seem to be covering the marches today, even if it is to mock the students.
 
I find it funny that Fox doesn't seem to be covering the marches today, even if it is to mock the students.

Nah they're too busy using the French supermarket shooting tragedy to advance their blatant & never-ending anti-Islam agenda. Nothing new here.
 
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I find it funny that Fox doesn't seem to be covering the marches today, even if it is to mock the students.

Nah they're too busy using the French supermarket shooting tragedy to advance their blatant & never-ending anti-Islam agenda. Nothing new here.
Exactly. If they cover the student marches even in a mocking way they risk their audience realizing there is a real problem with gun violence in schools (and elsewhere, but "think of the children" doesn't get much more than a school).
 
Welp, guess they figured they had to.

Though they found a kid who decried the little actions that had happened after the shooting to come into their studio.
 
half a million just in DC today for the March

inaction by legislation is leading to this backlash

a generation of kids who want ZERO to do with the NRA, gun culture, or "safety" and "hunting culture"

a generation of kids who will be of voting age between now and 2020
 
A generation of kids who grew up with the threat of mass school shootings. I can never really understand their feelings, as I was just a freshmen when Columbine happened, and didn't really penetrate the school systems till after I had graduated.
 
I was in the USN when Columbine happened

junior NRA from 14 and regular till my mid twenties

I think I and the kids a bit younger than me were the last generation the NRA bothered to reach out to, after Columbine they closed ranks

I saw the change from what the NRA was to what it is now - beholden to gun manufacturers and keeping politicians in their pocket

happy both my Senators from CT have an F rating with those jagoffs
 
An F rating from the NRA seems like a good thing with voters these days. :D
 
Man, I have a tough time not checking Fox's reaction to this. It is particularly disgusting.
 
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