The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Gwen Thread

[Andrew Lucas]

She disobeyed Peter and died. What's confusing?

Why womans that make her owns decisions gets punished?....

 

[Alt-Josh]

I love how upset Peter was when Gwen showed up at the power plant. I loved the clock showing 1:21. I loved how, after she fell, Spidey cradled her so similarly to how he did in the comics.

 

[Mad Ones]

Peter told her not to come with him to the power grid, but because she did she ended up getting killed. Even though she was smart, capable, and proactive she still ended up dying. I loved it when she said that no one makes her decisions for her, and I was extremely disappointed when the story made that a contributing factor to her death.

 

[Spider-Fan]

This was a great scene. I agree with that. I just wish the overall movie was better. This is one of the best stories in a Spider-Man comic, period. The scene itself is great. But, it just isn't enough to save the movie. I wish the movie was THIS quality. If it was, then this film would have been epic, instead of generic and forgettable. No film that features this storyline should be less than epic. Shame on Sony for this.

 

[The Caped Knight]

This was a great scene. I agree with that. I just wish the overall movie was better. This is one of the best stories in a Spider-Man comic, period. The scene itself is great. But, it just isn't enough to save the movie. I wish the movie was THIS quality. If it was, then this film would have been epic, instead of generic and forgettable. No film that features this storyline should be less than epic. Shame on Sony for this.

agreed. See the tragedy is the scene came across visually stunning but the actual scene is flat and doesn't capture the full wait of Parker's sadness and rage which is shown in the trailers and yet is cut out.

 

[Spider-Fan]

agreed. See the tragedy is the scene came across visually stunning but the actual scene is flat and doesn't capture the full wait of Parker's sadness and rage which is shown in the trailers and yet is cut out.

I think it also lacks because Goblin loses so easily, and her death would have been better served like in the comic: the halfway point in their fight! The comic works because after this happens, Peter goes bezerk! His morals are tested and he wants vengeance and blood in a way he never has. It tests the core of Spider-Man. That culminates when he faces Gobby in the alley. Why, oh why, didn't they do that here! The fight between he and gobby was already short, as was the resolution to her death. I could have watched another 5 mins of fighting, especially when it was vital to Peter's grief and would have closed the film on a higher note!

Missed opportunity.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Peter told her not to come with him to the power grid, but because she did she ended up getting killed. Even though she was smart, capable, and proactive she still ended up dying. I loved it when she said that no one makes her decisions for her, and I was extremely disappointed when the story made that a contributing factor to her death.

Now i understand,i'm not dissapointed but i never wanted

 

[Snow Queen]

Peter told her not to come with him to the power grid, but because she did she ended up getting killed. Even though she was smart, capable, and proactive she still ended up dying. I loved it when she said that no one makes her decisions for her, and I was extremely disappointed when the story made that a contributing factor to her death.

While I can see why you feel that way, I thought her speech at the beginning about how life is precious because it ends and living it for yourself and making your life count for something and the like put it in a different context. Less of a "you died because you didn't do what the hero said" and more a "better to die doing something heroic and living life for yourself than to live the way someone told you to." At least that's what I got out of it, but I do definitely see where you're coming from on it. I'm probably not articulating this the best, I'm kinda exhausted. Hopefully it makes a bit of sense though and I won't read this in the morning and wonder what the hell I was thinking. XD

 

[The Caped Knight]

I think it also lacks because Goblin loses so easily, and her death would have been better served like in the comic: the halfway point in their fight! The comic works because after this happens, Peter goes bezerk! His morals are tested and he wants vengeance and blood in a way he never has. It tests the core of Spider-Man. That culminates when he faces Gobby in the alley. Why, oh why, didn't they do that here! The fight between he and gobby was already short, as was the resolution to her death. I could have watch another 5 mins of fighting, especially when it was vital to Peter's grief and would have closed the film on a higher note!

Missed opportunity.

^ Exactly

The original film Spider-Man vs. Green Goblin fight showcased it better. Spidey went nuts when Gobby threatened to hurt MJ.

 

[Mad Ones]

While I can see why you feel that way, I thought her speech at the beginning about how life is precious because it ends and living it for yourself and making your life count for something and the like put it in a different context. Less of a "you died because you didn't do what the hero said" and more a "better to die doing something heroic and living life for yourself than to live the way someone told you to." At least that's what I got out of it, but I do definitely see where you're coming from on it. I'm probably not articulating this the best, I'm kinda exhausted. Hopefully it makes a bit of sense though and I won't read this in the morning and wonder what the hell I was thinking. XD

Haha you make perfect sense I guess that interpretation would have worked for me if there was some mention of Gwen being a hero somewhere. She made the plan, and brought power back to the city, saving those planes. But in the end she was still a woman in the refrigerator

 

[Spider-Fan]

^ Exactly

The original film Spider-Man vs. Green Goblin fight showcased it better. Spidey went nuts when Gobby threatened to hurt MJ.

I wish there was a way to merge the 2! LOL! I even was okay with Dehaan's version of the Goblin! I thought he was good (if THIS Electro had killed her, I would have gone on a Archer-style RAMPAGE!). Having him cause it was fine. I just wish that this hadn't just tested Peter's desire to be Spider-Man. They could have kept those scenes in tact, as the speech watching was a fine way for him to find hope again. But, seeing the resolve of Spider-Man tested in regard to his ideals (on top of what they already had) would have been even BETTER!

 

[Nardz937]

I think it also lacks because Goblin loses so easily, and her death would have been better served like in the comic: the halfway point in their fight! The comic works because after this happens, Peter goes bezerk! His morals are tested and he wants vengeance and blood in a way he never has. It tests the core of Spider-Man. That culminates when he faces Gobby in the alley. Why, oh why, didn't they do that here! The fight between he and gobby was already short, as was the resolution to her death. I could have watched another 5 mins of fighting, especially when it was vital to Peter's grief and would have closed the film on a higher note!

Missed opportunity.

Absolutely.

I can't believe how badly they botched the execution of Gwen's death

I already ranted about this exact thing on the other page. But it bothers me so much. I've always wanted to see that part done on-screen.

 

[Alt-Josh]

Her death was perfectly done for me, and so was the aftermath. The speech just tied everything together so nicely. And the little pep talk from May. And the voicemail from earlier played into it as well: "I think it's best if I just let you go. Not because I don't love you. But because I do love you." Peter had to let go, that's what she would have wanted.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I'm ready for Mary Jane Watson now, Bring on TAMS 3.

 

[DigificWriter]

I can't believe how badly they botched the execution of Gwen's death.

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

 

[Nardz937]

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Which word?

 

[Spider-Fan]

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Or he simply disagrees with you. Deal with it.

 

[DigificWriter]

Which word?

It should be obvious I was lampooning your use of the word 'botched' with that Inigo quote.

You might not care for how they executed Gwen's death, but that doesn't mean they screwed it up.

 

[Spider-Fan]

^ It should be obvious I was lampooning your use of the word 'botched' with that Inigo quote.

You might not care for how they executed Gwen's death, but that doesn't mean they screwed it up.

And once again...he disagrees with you. Deal with it.

 

[Nardz937]

It should be obvious I was lampooning your use of the word 'botched' with that Inigo quote.

You might not care for how they executed Gwen's death, but that doesn't mean they screwed it up.

It's my opinion. Deal with mine and I'll deal with yours.

I've been a life-long fan. If I feel they screwed up on what should have been one of the most epic moments in CBM history, I'll whine about it as much as I want.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

So much love going on this thread...

 

[Alt-Josh]

So much love going on this thread...

Deal with it!

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[Andrew Lucas]

Deal with it!

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You deal with it!

Spoiler

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[psylockolussus]

Gwen's death saved the movie, in my opinion, if it didn't happen, the movie would have been worse. And for a moment, I kinda forgot the flaws of the movie because I actually felt bad for Peter and Gwen. I also love the slow-motion of the death scene!

 

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