The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man: Box Office Thread - Part 2

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[Jexx]

Yea, it is.

Also, I'm personally rooting for TASM over TDKR because I honestly prefer TASM over TDKR, but that's because I prefer the overall tone and feel of TASM to the Nolan Batmanverse.

Another example, using only Batman related media..
I prefer the Arkhamverse to the Nolanverse.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Ugh stupid thread merger...anyways


Just looking over the whole TASM vs TDKR money debate they aren't even in the same league.

TDKR's budget was also only 230m after tax credits the film enjoyed:

Financed and released by Warner Bros., with 25% of the budget covered by Legendary Pictures, "The Dark Knight Rises" cost between $250 million and $300 million to produce. However tax credits brought that total closer to $230 million.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...,4678609.story



So that's essentially the same budget as TASM. TASM is gonna finish it's domestic take under 250m TDKR will be near 300m after this weekend in only it's 2nd week. I don't know how this comparison even started?

 

[Donald Thomas]

Aloha,
As of July 25, 2012 with a release date of July 3, 2012

The Amazing Spider-Man

Domestic Total $233,672,436 (Box Office Mojo)

Spidey rules the reboots

 

[Anno_Domini]

Yea, it is.

Also, I'm personally rooting for TASM over TDKR because I honestly prefer TASM over TDKR, but that's because I prefer the overall tone and feel of TASM to the Nolan Batmanverse.

Another example, using only Batman related media..
I prefer the Arkhamverse to the Nolanverse.

I feel the exact opposite when it comes to the tones of the films, lol. But, alas, I still like Spidey as much as Batman.

The funny thing about the Arkhamverse and Nolanverse; they happen to be my favorite Batman-wise on their respective areas(video game and film). Such as is B:TAS for animated series.

Ugh stupid thread merger...anyways


Just looking over the whole TASM vs TDKR money debate they aren't even in the same league.

TDKR's budget was also only 230m after tax credits the film enjoyed:



http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...,4678609.story



So that's essentially the same budget as TASM. TASM is gonna finish it's domestic take under 250m TDKR will be near 300m after this weekend in only it's 2nd week. I don't know how this comparison even started?

 

[rayc1971]

is pedro serious really?

 

[SpiderMarvelite]

TASM is the highest grossing reboot now

 

[AF3619]

TASM is the highest grossing reboot now

good .... good!

 

[Anno_Domini]

Isn't that Star Trek?

 

[Micromind]

oops, wrong thread.

 

[SpiderMarvelite]

It literally is passing Star Trek very soon, it will pass it.

 

[Anno_Domini]

It needs to make about 20 million more.

WW, I think TAS-M has won the contest though.

And Foreign belongs to Casino Royale. So says boxofficemojo.

 

[AF3619]

THE good things is that is making money!

 

[Spiderdevil]

Avengers and Batman being popular doesn't mean Spider-Man lost its fan base. If the movie was worth it, it would have reached 300 millions easily given the (remaining) popularity of the character (and the growing popularity of the genre). No matter how you want to put it.

I know a lot of people who were big fans of Raimi's movies but started liking Nolan's Batman and Avengers after that
My point being Spider-man is now the 3rd most liked character now after Batman and Avengers(not exactly a 'character') when he was the undisputed 1st in 2007.
Big Difference

That's why I took TDK and not Begins as an example (hence the "creative freedom has to be earned").

Compare TASM to BB not TDK
And if Nolan 'earned' the freedom through BB,why do you think Webb hasnt despite TASM being more successful box-office wise?

You're seriously saying that Spider-Man 3 was the same kind of dissapointment B&R was ? You must be joking.

The money earned was due to SM1 and 2's reputation.The movie is still disliked almost as much as B&R,and it is more fresher in people's mind than B&R was in 2005

Dude please, check your facts, or learn how to count because I'm getting a little tired of this. Batman Begins outgrossed all the previous Batman movies but Batman 89. When a movie makes more money than its 3 predecessors that's a perspective of growth. But maybe I should have my 3 yo make a chart for you so you can understand what I'm talking about ?

Lets see
Batman 1989:
Budget:35M Earnings:412M
Adjusted for 2005
Budget:55M Earnings:646M
BB doesnt beat this one

Batman Returns:
Budget:80M Earnings:267M
Adjusted to 2005
Budget:110M Earnings:371M
BB's earnings are the same but its budget is 40M higher so again it loses here
Batman Forever:
Budget:100M Earnings:337M
Adjusted to 2005
Budget:128M Earnings:430M
Again,BB loses
Batman&Robin:
Budget:125M Earnings:239M
Adjusted to 2005
Budget:150M Earnings:294M
BB beats B&R.BIG achievement

Plus BB probably spent a LOT more on marketing than these films and the only film it managed to beat box office wise was Batman&Robin,which was a terrible movie to start with
And also the previous movies made almost their entire money domestically meaning they got aa higher percentage of the ticket sales than BB
I am sorry but I dont see a 'Prespective for growth'
And I dont think its fair to compare TASM to BB in this area
The Highest grossing SM movie made almost 1.2B worldwide,almost double of the money Batman(1989) made(adjusted for inflation)
If you say you expected TASM to cross 1.2B then you are being ridiculous
But as far as BB was concerned,Beating B&R was the least WB would expect,its what they got and it wasnt a huge achievement
Just to put things into prespective,let us take the ratio of BB's earnings to 1989 movie and TASM's earnings to SM3
(To see how TASM and BB's earnings are compared to the highest grossing in their respective franchise)
BB/Batman(1989) = 410/646 = 0.63
TASM/SM3 = 700/1118 = 0.62
The Ratio is almost the same and there is also the fact that SM3's production budget was 50M more than TASM and Batman(1989) was 100M lower than BB so TASM obviously does better Box office wise compared to BB

But maybe I should have my 3 yo make a chart for you so you can understand what I'm talking about ?

No offence but I expect someone with a 3 year old son to have manners

They released a film not the way it was originally intended to be seen just so it can please fanboys and test audience. I for one like to trust the creative team in charge of a movie other than some advertising executive's take on someone else's work. Webb's work is obviously what works in TASM, Sony's rough cuts what makes it a mediocre/bland flick

Agreed,But we'll have a better idea if they release a Director's cut

That's how it works and you obviously have no clue what you're talking about. But if you're OK with movies that are primary conceived as marketing products, whatever works for you man but when I go see a movie, what I'm interested in is seeing some drirector/writer's vision. Not something that's meant and designed first and foremost to sell toys or work with the four quadrants.

Please explain to me your logic,How can interfering with the movie guarantee them more income?

The only thing I said, is that by the end of 2012, WB would have earned enough from the merchandise department to cover the potential losses of TDKR's theatrical run (wich should be around 50/75 millions).

Untill it does that,its in loss here.
I can also state than TASM's DVDs are gonna sell like hot cakes but thats not the point,The thing we are talking about now are box office earnings

Breaking point would've been 650 if TASM was able to make 300 millions or more domestically. The again you quoted the Hollywood Economist so do the damn maths !!!

I am only quoting the hollywood economist because its the only site which gives the percentage of Box office earnings
I still have a hard time believing that the studios spend dozens of millions promoting the film overseas and in the end they get some 15% of the ticket sales,they may aswell not release it overseas and concentrate their marketing campaign in the domestic territory
For Example,if TASM makes 450M from Overseas market,going by HE's 15% rule,Sony would get 67.5M for themselves,they probably spent almost that much marketing the movie overseas.I seriously have a hard time believing that

I wasn't talking about marketing budget but about Sony's expectation for TASM's theatrical run !!! Please read carefully.

Did Arad said it himself to your 'source'?
'Hey you know we are expecting 300M in ticket sales domestically'
Sorry but I will believe what Arad has himself said in an interview and Sony's statement afterwards stating that they are pleased with the numbers

You CLEARLY NEED to educate yourself about how movies are made, how major studios work and how the box office works before you can even have a serious discussion on these matters.

That doesn't mean you can't like whatever you want or say whatever is in your mind but on these subjects you should do some serious homework beforehand

And you CLEARLY NEED to learn some manners

 

[Spiderdevil]

$20 million is quite a lot and is the difference for either making TDKR above Harry Potter or below

It was never gonna break TA's record even if they got that 20M
Thats my point

Why couldnt they do it in 3D?

So you are one of those Nolanites who believe that 3D is only for earning money and IMAX is not.

Without the shooting and without 3D, TDKR would have beaten Avengers.

No,Stop being delusional

And with 3D being involved, there would be no way for TDKR to be on top just because of that silly fad

It isnt a silly fad,people like 3D and they pay for it

 

[Jick]

Does the movie still have to open in any big market?
China, maybe?

 

[Anno_Domini]

It was never gonna break TA's record even if they got that 20M
Thats my point

And you keep replying that only ends up in a stalemate. I didn't SAY TDKR would beat Avengers; I only said that that tragedy kept the film from meeting expectations.

So you are one of those Nolanites who believe that 3D is only for earning money and IMAX is not.

"One of the Nolanites?" LOL.

No, I'm someone who always hated 3D. IMAX is glorious on screen and something that should be for every film. 3D is just ridiculous.

Know what the hell you're talking about before you starting throwing words out, k?

No,Stop being delusional

Okay dude...

The Avengers - 7-Day total is $270,019,373

The Dark Knight Rises - 7-Day total is $224,829,000

Take out $30 million from 3D and add the $20 million that was expected before the shooting and it would be

The Avengers: $240 million

The Dark Knight Rises: $240 million

The race would have been way closer.

It isnt a silly fad,people like 3D and they pay for it

Do you know what a fad is?

 

[Jexx]

Actually, I believe that 3D will become the next HD once the tech is advanced enough (I.E. doesn't require glasses).

 

[ares834]

Does the movie still have to open in any big market?
China, maybe?

China is supposedly going to pit TDKR against TASM.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Actually, I believe that 3D will become the next HD once the tech is advanced enough (I.E. doesn't require glasses).

That'll be a very sad day.

Hopefully the world ends before that

 

[Spiderdevil]

And you keep replying that only ends up in a stalemate. I didn't SAY TDKR would beat Avengers; I only said that that tragedy kept the film from meeting expectations.

Agreed but some people had there expectations at a very high level,something like 200+ for the opening weekend

No, I'm someone who always hated 3D. IMAX is glorious on screen and something that should be for every film. 3D is just ridiculous.

Thats the general opinion of all Nolanites
No one is forcing anyone to watch something in 3D,the movie comes out in 2D aswell and people have a choice on which version to see

The Avengers - 7-Day total is $270,019,373

The Dark Knight Rises - 7-Day total is $224,829,000

Take out $30 million from 3D

Why should I?? LOL
Nope I am not taking out anything.3D is costly to film in.If you want to take it out you might aswell compare the budget

Avengers-200M without 3D
TDKR-260M
A whole 30% difference in budget

Do you know what a fad is?

No,only you know that

 

[Anno_Domini]

Agreed but some people had there expectations at a very high level,something like 200+ for the opening weekend

When was it ever that high? Probably just fan expectations mostly.

The most I read was $180-$185 million. There was no way it would be able to top Avengers, but, IMO, I still believe it's because of 3D.

Thats the general opinion of all Nolanites
No one is forcing anyone to watch something in 3D,the movie comes out in 2D aswell and people have a choice on which version to see

And that's the opinion of people who just don't like 3D period. If TDKR wasn't released this year, I'd still voice my opinion on how much I dislike 3D.

Why should I?? LOL
Nope I am not taking out anything.3D is costly to film in.If you want to take it out you might aswell compare the budget

Avengers-200M without 3D
TDKR-260M
A whole 30% difference in budget

I'm only painting a picture in showing you that the race could've been closer taking out 3D and the shooting. You couldn't have seem to realize it anyways until I type the numbers out apparently.

No,only you know that

Obviously.

 

[Spiderdevil]

I still believe it's because of 3D.

Anything wrong with that?

And that's the opinion of people who just don't like 3D period. If TDKR wasn't released this year, I'd still voice my opinion on how much I dislike 3D.

Has anyone ever forced you to watch in 3D?
You are obviously against it because of it being the reason for TDKR not getting close to Avengers

I'm only painting a picture in showing you that the race could've been closer taking out 3D and the shooting. You couldn't have seem to realize it anyways until I type the numbers out apparently.

Nope,TDKR still wouldnt have matched it despite having a 30% increased budget.I dont see a closer race.
Opening week aside Avengers would always win if you see the final numbers,it has better legs.3D or not.Shooting or not

 

[Jexx]

That'll be a very sad day.

Hopefully the world ends before that

I don't understand.. why do you hate 3D?

3D done well is very very good.

I really enjoyed the 3D for The Amazing Spider-Man in IMAX 3D, it didn't feel disconcerting at all.