The "I am SO SICK of all this talk about recasts/reboots/revamps/re-whatever!" thread

[8wid]

There shouldn't be revamps of anything. Every film that needs to be remade should be set in another dimension so that they all can work!

 

[Chris Wallace]

There shouldn't be revamps of anything. Every film that needs to be remade should be set in another dimension so that they all can work!

 

[I Am The Knight]

I think he means different continuities.

 

[Chris Wallace]

That would never work. That would just confuse the hell out of moviegoers. That's an even worse idea.

 

[I Am The Knight]

No one said it was a good idea. Except for 8blades, I mean, 8wid.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Ugh. I will add one more circumstance under which suggesting a reboot might be appropriate; if nothing and I mean nothing has happened cinematically with the character, good or otherwise, since the Reagan, Papa Bush or Clinton administration, then a reboot just might be called for.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I want to clarify something, when you say reboot, do you mean getting another full out Origin movie explaining how the character becomes who he is, one that contradicts and separates the character completely from the past film franchise

or

do you include movies that don't redo the origin per say, but change many character traits and contract with small plot points and characterizations in past movies?

Because I myself am all for another Spider-man movie that ignores things about the old series, most notably the way they write MJ and having Spider-man be nearly mute. But I don't know if I'd consider that a direct reboot, because I wouldn't be doing the origin, I'd just do another Spider-man movie, set sometime after he was Spider-man, and not make a reference to the other movies.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I want to clarify something, when you say reboot, do you mean getting another full out Origin movie explaining how the character becomes who he is, one that contradicts and separates the character completely from the past film franchise

or

do you include movies that don't redo the origin per say, but change many character traits and contract with small plot points and characterizations in past movies?

Both. The latter would fall under "revamp/possibly recast."

 

[Infinity9999x]

Both. The latter would fall under "revamp/possibly recast."

Ahh. Well in that case I'm definitely for Spider-man being revamped of sorts. I've never been very happy with that series, and I think it can be done much better.

Besides that and F4, I don't think any others really need it though. Course I'm not even going to mention the Punnisher, because I think everyone knows that after this last flop he wont be on the silver screen again for at least five years, probably more.

 

[Chris Wallace]

It took almost 5 years this time. I think Frank is done.

 

[Nirvana]

The only comic properties that need to be rebooted are Superman and Fantastic Four. The rest they should just leave alone.

 

[bullets]

i like how they did it with incredible hulk , they show the origin briefly through the beggining credits.

 

[Chris Wallace]

The only comic properties that need to be rebooted are Superman and Fantastic Four. The rest they should just leave alone.

That's the problem. If we keep pushing for reboots of this franchise or that, sooner or later NONE OF THEM will be left alone.

 

[cerealkiller182]

That's the problem. If we keep pushing for reboots of this franchise or that, sooner or later NONE OF THEM will be left alone.

That has little to do with fans. No one was clamoring for a remake of The Crow, the studio came up with that all on their own. Same with most remakes. Fans call for the original to be retained. If Spiderman 3 wasnt so bad there wouldnt be one mention of a Spidey reboot, but now Spidey 4 looks like it could happen. If that movie is good I doubt anyone will ask for a reboot except for those asking for one since Spidey 1. Same with the Wolverine solo. Same with Nolan's Batman. I dont think these properties will be touched at least until a Reeve Superman to Routh Superman type timespan has passed much of which the idea starts when the technology advances to the point where you can actually show the super feats of these characters better on screen

 

[terry78]

Comic book movies get a pass for reboots because their original books have been rebooted so many times. Technically it's pretty much on par with the source material.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Many of those were bad ideas, too. I refer you once again to Chapter One & One More Day. And ck, I know that for the most part it's not the fans who are actually making this happen. But now that the practice is out there, & fans are clamoring for them in such great quantity, I fear that it will become the norm every time a comic book movie either doesn't do as well as hoped, meets with lukewarm reception from fans, or simply completes its 3-act franchise, as in accordance with comic fans' wishes.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Most comic fans hate the fact that movies stop at 3 installments. I still fail to see GREAT QUANTITIES of fans clamoring for remakes passed Daredevil and Fantastic Four.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Peruse more threads. They're out there. They're all over. Everyone's worried that if we go past 3, at best the actors will get burnt out & start turning in lackluster performances & at worst, we'll just get a movie that's made for the sake of being made. Since only 2 franchises have thus far gone beyond 3 & both final installments were atrocious. What too many fans fail to realize is that this is the result of the series going in the wrong direction, not going too far. And I find it pretty hard to believe that all the studio execs who have power over these franchises are 1-oblivious to the incessant rantings of the comic fans, & 2-coincidentally adhering to their demands by wrapping up storylines & squeezing in numerous plot-points in the 3rd act.

 

[terry78]

Everytime a franchise comes up you always hear, "we want a triliogy." It's become some kind of mainstay to be honest. I think after Batman and Robin and Superman IV fanboys got scared about anything going past three. The trilogy always has to be: Part One: Hero's origin, Part Two: Hero gets into his groove, but incident causes hero to doubt his role, Part Three: Everything changes forever, and hero gets closure to his arc, either by fully quitting, or becoming the full fledged hero of the original book we know and love

 

[cerealkiller182]

Its a message board. You can find evidence of every possible action. Everbody is an exaggeration. Theres plenty of threads that ask "Why is it studios only make 3 when there is so much history and material to adapt." Swtich 1 and 2 around. Because the movies made it that way is why fanboys have come to that conclusion. I doubt studios are thinking, "Hey fanboys say 3 movies is the max, maybe we should stop there" instead of milking franchises for all its worth which is much more in their behavior. The number 3 only originates from the fact that studios want movie serials so they have to contract the talent to do more than 1 but some talent might not agree to a contract requiring 8 possible sequels. X-Men (kinda) is doing more than 3 installments and Spiderman is setting up a 4th as well, so they arnt planning on stopping at 3

 

[Chris Wallace]

Everytime a franchise comes up you always hear, "we want a triliogy." It's become some kind of mainstay to be honest. I think after Batman and Robin and Superman IV fanboys got scared about anything going past three.

Exactly. And again, this 3-act mentality gave birth to the whole "reboot" idea. Way back in 2003, I was hearing "For the next trilogy[/U] they should have..." "I hope we get (insert actor's name here) and (insert director's name here) for the next trilogy." I've even seen posters go as far as to say they wanted (I'll use Raimi as an example) Raimi to hurry up & get his movies overwith so they can get started on the next trilogy. One funny part is, they keep asking for the same villains that we've seen, just presented in a different way. It's insane.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Its a message board. You can find evidence of every possible action. Everbody is an exaggeration. Theres plenty of threads that ask "Why is it studios only make 3 when there is so much history and material to adapt." Swtich 1 and 2 around. Because the movies made it that way is why fanboys have come to that conclusion. I doubt studios are thinking, "Hey fanboys say 3 movies is the max, maybe we should stop there" instead of milking franchises for all its worth which is much more in their behavior. The number 3 only originates from the fact that studios want movie serials so they have to contract the talent to do more than 1 but some talent might not agree to a contract requiring 8 possible sequels. X-Men (kinda) is doing more than 3 installments and Spiderman is setting up a 4th as well, so they arnt planning on stopping at 3

1-You don't think fanboys can torpedo a movie if their wishes aren't met?
2-Why do you think the director & major players only commit to 3 movies up front?
3-The Spidey movies are continuing because the 3rd one-despite all the booing, hissing & negative reviews, made money. It sat on top of the genre until Dark Knight came along. This told the studio that more likely than not, we want more Spider-Man. Apart from this, while there was always potential to go further, the fact is that the entire trilogy centered around the Goblin saga & Peter & MJ's relationship. The Goblin saga was resolved. Completely. They did wrap it up. At the very least, they were in a perfect position to revamp (new director, cast & crew) if not reboot (all of the same, but start over & act like the previous movies never happened). And they still are, as far as I know. Raimi, Tobey & Kirsten's returns are not set in stone until they sign on the dotted line. And this being Hollywood, not even then.
Whether or not the X-Men franchise is continuing is debatable at best, since we're getting prequels (only one of which is really guaranteed at this point) & not sequels. We're not getting a movie about what happens with Rogue now that she's normal, or the triumphant return of a newly-"repowered" magneto, or the X-Men discovering that Xavier has a new body. There's no word on the fate of Storm, or how she's coping with the loss of Scott & Jean. At this time, I think it's safe to say that Fox clearly sees no future for the mutants, only an explorable, potentially marketable past.

 

[Chris Wallace]

ANother thing;
even if a franchise gets rebooted, comic fans still won't be happy. Why? Because the filmmaker still won't give them everything that's being asked for. Let's look at Batman & the Hulk:
We get a fresh start, with a film that's far less comedic, gets us inside Bruce Wayne's head & puts the focus on him rather than the villains. However, we get arguably fewer elements from the comics than the last series, & he's still wearing rubberized armor as opposed to a more traditional, simplistic costume, much to the chagrin of many die-hard fans. And we still have a completely CGI Hulk & no gamma bomb, likewise to the chagrin of many fans.
Do you guys think for certain that a new Spider-Man film will guarantee mechanical web-shooters, more Venom, pumpkin bombs or any of the other stuff people keep complaining about? Does a rebooted FF guarantee an old school Doom?
Not necessarily.

 

[Infinity9999x]

ANother thing;
even if a franchise gets rebooted, comic fans still won't be happy. Why? Because the filmmaker still won't give them everything that's being asked for. Let's look at Batman & the Hulk:
We get a fresh start, with a film that's far less comedic, gets us inside Bruce Wayne's head & puts the focus on him rather than the villains. However, we get arguably fewer elements from the comics than the last series, & he's still wearing rubberized armor as opposed to a more traditional, simplistic costume, much to the chagrin of many die-hard fans. And we still have a completely CGI Hulk & no gamma bomb, likewise to the chagrin of many fans.
Do you guys think for certain that a new Spider-Man film will guarantee mechanical web-shooters, more Venom, pumpkin bombs or any of the other stuff people keep complaining about? Does a rebooted FF guarantee an old school Doom?
Not necessarily.

If anyone was shouting for a reboot solely for those reasons, then I would agree with you and tell them that they're idiots.

All those things, even thought they have been big debates in places, are secondary, or even tertiary in what I want when a movie gets made about my favorite characters.

For example, the Spider-man series. I don't care that he had organic webshooters, I don't care that Green Goblin wore armor, I don't care that he didn't get bitten by a radioactive spider. What I care about is characterization. When I watch a movie based on characters I love, all I care about is that they stay true to the portrayal of these characters. I want Spider-man to act like Spider-man, MJ to act like MJ, Doc Ock to act like Doc Ock. That's all I ask. (as long as the other changes are too drastic, like Spider-man running around with no costumes toting guns or something like that).

This is why I want to see the Spider-man series revamped. Spider-man does not act like Spider-man in any of those movies. Peter Parker acts like Peter Parker (well...the way Peter acted in his highschool days at least) but we see no personality in Spider-man, he's just Peter in a suit. There should be as drastic a difference between Peter Parker and Spider-man as Batman and Bruce Wayne, and we do not see that in those movies. Also, the next biggest character, MJ is so far removed from the MJ I know and love that they're not even close to the same character.

At the heart of every good story is the characters. The personalities of these characters are what get us to fall in love with them as kids, and make us want to continue reading them, and when the movie fails to represent those characters, then I think it needs to be redone.

 

[Chris Wallace]

There should be as drastic a difference between Peter Parker and Spider-man as Batman and Bruce Wayne

I strongly disagree with this. In my eyes, the only difference is that Spider-Man can say what he wants because nobody knows who's talking to them.
And the point I was trying to make is, you can push & push and maybe, eventually, the series will get redone and you STILL might not get what you want.