The "I am SO SICK of all this talk about recasts/reboots/revamps/re-whatever!" thread

[Chris Wallace]

But I want a reboot! If you are bothered by my comment, just put me on ignore, baby!

You're missing the point.

 

[I Am The Knight]

You're missing the point.

Oh really???

 

[Chris Wallace]

Look-I don't put people on ignore unless they REALLY piss me off. Launching a barrage of personal insults, bombarding me with racially insensitive remarks, that kind of thing. But this is the ANTI-reboot thread. THat's like going on an appreciation thread & bashing the subject of that thread. Take your pro-reboot sentiments someplace else.

 

[3dman27]

gentlemen gentlemen, i have an idea to resolve this
if i am the knight feels so strongly pro reboot why not make a PRO REBOOT THREAD and see how it goes

 

[Chris Wallace]

What an awesome idea.

 

[cerealkiller182]

meh... whats the point of having a pro-reboot thread and a anti-reboot thread? They will always end up being "Reboot: yes or no?" discussion anyway.

 

[[A]]

But what if I'm not decided yet on a reboot..? We need a thread for the undecided.. You gotta have all options. Even a what's a reboot anyway? thread

 

[terry78]

Hollywood is literally taking the rebooting that actual comics do every other year and taking it to heart.

 

[cerealkiller182]

its a transition period. I dont mind if they over-do it now, as long as they do it better, and they treat them in the way they should have always been treated (with respect over a definitive period of time) Batman wont be rebooted for a long time because it was treated properly. I dont want Batman carbon copies with the grit but i want the properties treated with the proper tone and more quality filmmaking.

Daredevil and Ghost Rider- too cheezy

Superman Returns- wrong direction

Fantastic Four- too hammy

Spiderman and X-men- crapped out on the 3rd installment

I dont care how they do it, either reboot or continuation, but do it RIGHT!!

 

[dude stannis]

I think any franchise can be saved without having to totally disregard everything great abou a previous installment. I mean when you boil it down that's what is so annoying about reboots, I never get to hear the Superman theme or see Hugh Jackman go badass on the big screen again because some money grubbing bastard wanted an ivory backscratcher when he clearly wasn't doing his job in the first place?

 

[I Am The Knight]

Look-I don't put people on ignore unless they REALLY piss me off. Launching a barrage of personal insults, bombarding me with racially insensitive remarks, that kind of thing. But this is the ANTI-reboot thread. THat's like going on an appreciation thread & bashing the subject of that thread. Take your pro-reboot sentiments someplace else.

Hello, I'm back I'm well aware of where I am. But I think the FF franchise desperately needs a reboot I will derail your thread no more, but I just wanted you to know how hard it was. (...)

 

[bullets]

I agree that some films just need a good sequel that can sort of make right about what was wrong in part three or whatever.

i don't want to see x-men , fantastic four , spider-man or superman reboots. all these franchises could be fixed and set on the right course with a good sequel .

however the batman films had to be rebooted and i also prefer the new incarnation of the hulk .

 

[Chris Wallace]

Thus far, Batman is the only case where I deemed it truly necessary to start over,, they had gone too far in the Schumacher direction to ever make another credible sequel. I actually think that with the right maneuvering, Hulk & Punisher could have continued from where they started originally. Interestingly enough, my son raised the argument that with the exception of TDK, Batman has been rebooted w/every movie. I do think there's some truth to that. The character was radically reinvented each time he came to the big screen.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Not true, the character wasnt that different between Batman and Batman Returns outside of basic character arc/evolution type stuff.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Perhaps.

 

[cerealkiller182]

How else would you describe it? Its certainly not "radically reinvented" between the 2.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I suppose not. He didn't have a redesigned Batmobile, cave & city. Only his costume, & even that could have escaped many people's notice. I felt the tone of the movies had changed, but not to the same degree as in the next films. Plus, he was still an avenger of the innocent rather than a protector (which is what he'd become in Forever.)

 

[Ceb-Man]

Thus far, Batman is the only case where I deemed it truly necessary to start over,, they had gone too far in the Schumacher direction to ever make another credible sequel. I actually think that with the right maneuvering, Hulk & Punisher could have continued from where they started originally. Interestingly enough, my son raised the argument that with the exception of TDK, Batman has been rebooted w/every movie. I do think there's some truth to that. The character was radically reinvented each time he came to the big screen.

I agree Chris about Batman. (Although, I must say i liked TIH better than Hulk it didn't have to be rebooted. lol. ) FF doesn't need to be rebooted, just if they use Doom go by more of the comic book verison who is a menace and feared. Superman returns can go on, just more action.
Look at Star Trek: The Motion Picture and Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. They didn't change actors and didn't fully reboot. Yes they changed outfits and had more action, but they continued on with it. It was called Star Trek II not Star Trek: The New Motion Picture.
Cases like Hulk, Punisher, Daredevil, Superman, FF, Spider-Man, and X-Men can all continue on to learn and make it better.



Also, Chris 1972 was a great year for me too. January 27, 1972!

 

[Chris Wallace]

A fellow old-timer.
I used to tease my dad about being old, saying that you know you're old when your favorite entertainers from your childhood start dying off. Of course, at the time I said this, John Ritter, Fred Berry, Jim Henson, Christopher Reeve, Alec Guinness, Mr. Rogers & Captain Kangaroo were all still alive. Then my boss told me that them dying doesn't make you old. Mentioning their death to someone in their 20's & being asked who that is makes you old.

 

[Infinity9999x]

On the whole I don't mind reboots in some cases. I think most people agree that Batman needed a reboot. That had gone way too far in the wrong direction.

Really though, many of these films that people are clamoring for a reboot, or that there have been rumors of reboots for, seems kind of extreme. Take X-men for example. I was completely stunned when I saw people recommending a reboot after X3. I mean, yeah X3 certainly wasn't amazing, but honestly it's not even close to one of the worst Superhero movies out there. There's absolutely no need for a reboot to that franchise.

With the Hulk situation, I wasn't opposed to a reboot, but I think there's a few reasons why the reboot didn't go off that well. For one, they needed to make it much clearer that it was a reboot, and they should have changed the story enough to make it seem like a completely different universe. TIH could have easily been a continuation of Hulk, all you need to do is change the flashback scene.

I do think Fantastic 4 needs a reboot, those movies need a completely new approach to them. Doom has been completely mangled, and the movies were just too comedic and sitcom feeling.

Besides that though, I don't see the need to reboot Superman or Spider-man. We got good origins for both of them. You can just continue on with them already established, but make the movie in a different style. No need to go back and re-do an origin or all that.

 

[terry78]

FF honestly needed to be a much longer movie. They needed to set up Doom's takeover/inheritance of Latveria for one. Had they done that, and set up the final battle to take place there, it would've worked a LOT better.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I woudlnt say FF was TOO comedic, it was just very cliche humor.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I woudlnt say FF was TOO comedic, it was just very cliche humor.

That's more accurate. I actually liked some of the humor, some of the Human Torch's lines for instance made me laugh. But sometimes it just had too much of that cutesy sitcom feel. I understand that FF aren't supposed to be really dark, or in tone with TDK for instance, but I would have liked a slightly more serious tone, and have the humor that's present be more creative.

 

[Ceb-Man]

A fellow old-timer.
I used to tease my dad about being old, saying that you know you're old when your favorite entertainers from your childhood start dying off. Of course, at the time I said this, John Ritter, Fred Berry, Jim Henson, Christopher Reeve, Alec Guinness, Mr. Rogers & Captain Kangaroo were all still alive. Then my boss told me that them dying doesn't make you old. Mentioning their death to someone in their 20's & being asked who that is makes you old.

too true my friend. too true! lol

 

[Chris Wallace]

That's more accurate. I actually liked some of the humor, some of the Human Torch's lines for instance made me laugh. But sometimes it just had too much of that cutesy sitcom feel. I understand that FF aren't supposed to be really dark, or in tone with TDK for instance, but I would have liked a slightly more serious tone, and have the humor that's present be more creative.

I honestly wasn't bothered by anything they did with FF.