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If it's proven Iran's helping the insurgency kill American troops, do we invade Iran?

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I can understand your position, but last time when U.S. got involved heavily in Iran, and resulted in Operation Ajax, it didn't ended well. I think Iranians still have memories of those times, and if U.S. got too involved again this time, it may actually backfire.

What do you think the Iranian protesters care about more: freedom or Operation Ajax?

Look, if the Iranian protesters make it clear that they do not want American presence - do not go. I am not advocating forcing the American military into a situation where no side wants them. What I am saying is that if the protesting continues, if the government's counter-attack escalates (neither of which are out there) and if the protesters NEEDS protection (and ask for it), we MUST stand up.
 
France gave us 2/3rd of their stolen property, dammit. That helped form this country. That's gotta count for something.
 
So yea what about that bit about Rafsanjani's potential (rumored) Coupe de tate :huh:
 
That is what will have to happen......right now the biggest story coming out of Iran is the division in the military/police, etc. Many are beginning to help those in the streets.....THAT is what will make a difference.
 
That is what will have to happen......right now the biggest story coming out of Iran is the division in the military/police, etc. Many are beginning to help those in the streets.....THAT is what will make a difference.

I agree.
 
That is what will have to happen......right now the biggest story coming out of Iran is the division in the military/police, etc. Many are beginning to help those in the streets.....THAT is what will make a difference.

And there is, the big issue you just hit. If parts of the military/police get into it, then it could turn into a full on revolution/civil war.
 
SON'S DEATH HAS IRANIAN FAMILY ASKING WHY
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124571865270639351.html

The family, clad in black, stood at the curb of the road sobbing. A middle-aged mother slapped her cheeks, letting out piercing wails. The father, a frail man who worked as a doorman at a clinic in central Tehran, wept quietly with his head bowed.

Minutes before, an ambulance had arrived from Tehran's morgue carrying the body of their only son, 19-year-old Kaveh Alipour.

On Saturday, amid the most violent clashes between security forces and protesters, Mr. Alipour was shot in the head as he stood at an intersection in downtown Tehran. He was returning from acting class and a week shy of becoming a groom, his family said.

The details of his death remain unclear. He had been alone. Neighbors and relatives think that he got trapped in the crossfire. He wasn't politically active and hadn't taken part in the turmoil that has rocked Iran for over a week, they said.

"He was a very polite, shy young man," said Mohamad, a neighbor who has known him since childhood.

When Mr. Alipour didn't return home that night, his parents began to worry. All day, they had heard gunshots ringing in the distance. His father, Yousef, first called his fiancée and friends. No one had heard from him.

At the crack of dawn, his father began searching at police stations, then hospitals and then the morgue.

Upon learning of his son's death, the elder Mr. Alipour was told the family had to pay an equivalent of $3,000 as a "bullet fee"—a fee for the bullet used by security forces—before taking the body back, relatives said.

Mr. Alipour told officials that his entire possessions wouldn't amount to $3,000, arguing they should waive the fee because he is a veteran of the Iran-Iraq war. According to relatives, morgue officials finally agreed, but demanded that the family do no funeral or burial in Tehran. Kaveh Alipour's body was quietly transported to the city of Rasht, where there is family.

Everyone in the neighborhood knows the Alipour family. In addition to their slain son, they have two daughters. Shopkeepers and businesses pasted a photocopied picture of Mr. Alipour on their walls and windows. In the picture, the young man is shown wearing a dark suit with gray stripes. His black hair is combed neatly to a side and he has a half-smile.

"He was so full of life. He had so many dreams," said Arsalan, a taxi driver who has known the family for 10 years. "What did he die for?"

A bullet fee!?!?!
 
^Since when does a bullet cost $3,000? :huh:
 
Well I do not know the truth of it but the movement is not as big as I hoped from what I learnned from a few people in the Country. Now I take it with a grain of salt because not all speak freely. But apparently the protestors seem to number only in the thousands and not the millions per some people living in then country which my mother got on the phone.

I do not know the truth of it but this thing nees to escalate to a point where the soldiers help which is reported to happen.

What I am afraid is really this will only result in Rahfsanjani taking power which is not real change.
 
It is our job to make America safer. A democratic Iran makes America safer.

The time to act in Iran is not now - but if the protests continue, if the people of Iran continue to act then escalation WILL happen. When it does, America should do what is necessary to protect the people of Iran.
How do you think that should be done? America certainly can't march in there and call a timeout. The politics of such is just too dicey. It's really something the UN (in theory) is supposed to do, not a separate country. You aren't going to solve a bullying problem by getting your mother to tell the bully he's being mean. Or blow him away with a shotgun. Either way.

There's really nothing the US government can do officially, IMO, other than offer asylum to those who request it. And I'll continue to donate to MSF (Doctors Without Borders). The Red Crescent is a society akin to the American Red Cross, which always does good work. That's another way for us to help.

This is the first time I've actually seen a bunch of the online videos people have been putting up. Twitter and YouTube have truly helped here, especially since the Iranian media censor so much of what's really happening. I couldn't bring myself to watch the Neda video, I really couldn't. That's just devastating.
 
Some posted a link to a video on Twitter showing the Iranian guards vandalizing and destroying property, most likely in an attempt to blame protesters. Don't think it's gonna work since it's caught on video.
 
Those videos are not seen by many on the inside of the country. Most of us on the outside are already convinced (then again I was convinced before the age of 10).
 
Well I do not know the truth of it but the movement is not as big as I hoped from what I learnned from a few people in the Country. Now I take it with a grain of salt because not all speak freely. But apparently the protestors seem to number only in the thousands and not the millions per some people living in then country which my mother got on the phone.

I do not know the truth of it but this thing nees to escalate to a point where the soldiers help which is reported to happen.

What I am afraid is really this will only result in Rahfsanjani taking power which is not real change.
These two thing is what I suspect to be the case from the get go. Well the former moreso. It is approximately the same thing I hear and read. The western news agency makes it more than it really is, this is why the west MSM is incredibly unreliable as a news source in this circumstance.

The Rahfsanjani power grab is a very plausible scenario for me, because .... well it's a power grab. Greed and power are very reliable predictors.
 
These two thing is what I suspect to be the case from the get go. Well the former moreso. It is approximately the same thing I hear and read. The western news agency makes it more than it really is, this is why the west MSM is incredibly unreliable as a news source in this circumstance.

The Rahfsanjani power grab is a very plausible scenario for me, because .... well it's a power grab. Greed and power are very reliable predictors.



And I can assure you as far as greed and power seeking goes, Rahfsanjani is right up there at the top. The Assembly of Experts is right now in quorom in Quom discussing the Supreme Leadership.
 
How do you think that should be done? America certainly can't march in there and call a timeout. The politics of such is just too dicey. It's really something the UN (in theory) is supposed to do, not a separate country. You aren't going to solve a bullying problem by getting your mother to tell the bully he's being mean. Or blow him away with a shotgun. Either way.

The UN will not do it. Period. The UN is a joke, a failure, a scam and a sham. America, and any other decent country, has the responsibility to take its place in times that action is needed.

There's really nothing the US government can do officially, IMO, other than offer asylum to those who request it. And I'll continue to donate to MSF (Doctors Without Borders). The Red Crescent is a society akin to the American Red Cross, which always does good work. That's another way for us to help.

This is the first time I've actually seen a bunch of the online videos people have been putting up. Twitter and YouTube have truly helped here, especially since the Iranian media censor so much of what's really happening. I couldn't bring myself to watch the Neda video, I really couldn't. That's just devastating.

If the protests continue, there will be escalation. There will be more blood on the streets. If the military starts to join with the protesters - then America has the ability to come in and take a stand with them as well.

America could denounce the legitimacy of the current government, announce Mousavi the President of Iran and make a deal with him to come in, protect his supporters and work towards him taking control.

Once we do that, though, there is no turning back and we would have to ensure that we are victorious. Period.
 
Some posted a link to a video on Twitter showing the Iranian guards vandalizing and destroying property, most likely in an attempt to blame protesters. Don't think it's gonna work since it's caught on video.

:facepalm
 
America could denounce the legitimacy of the current government, announce Mousavi the President of Iran and make a deal with him to come in, protect his supporters and work towards him taking control.

Once we do that, though, there is no turning back and we would have to ensure that we are victorious. Period.

How is announcing him the President going to change anything. he is part of the establishment and will only help Rahfsanjani gain power.

The system needs to be overhauled not the men replaced within the system.
 
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