The Flash The Iris West/Candice Patton Thread - Part 1

[NotGoodAtNames]

The obsession some users have over a fictional character is just.......wow

I get it. We get it. You hate Iris. She's your least favorite. However, I don't understand something. Why pinpoint everything negative with this show on her? Don't even try to deny it. That's literally what you're doing. Everything you don't like, it's Iris fault somehow.

Just look at the recent comments in the Flash general discussion thread. Y'all saw an article talking Carlos possible leaving, and blamed it on them giving Iris his role. Let's talk about that. What role did she take? Since the beginning, Cisco role has been to build weapons and be the tech guy. That's it. Where in the show is Iris doing this? What they show is Iris shooting a weapon, but that's it. So, where's the proof Iris is doing his job? Could y'all actually provide this? No, you can't. Because deep down, you know you're just lying and exaggerating to seem justified with the hate. If anybody is taking Cisco's role, it's Ralph and Wells. However, you don't care.

If Carlos is leaving, I would be okay without Cisco. I'll miss him, but I know this show doesn't need him anymore. One, Barry would actually shown to be smart. Two, Carlos could possible find a show that would utilize him properly. The show only uses Cisco as comic relief and tech support.

One more thing. I see igoogol loves to constantly mention this being the Iris show. I find it hard to believe this is "the Iris show" when her screentime in each episode totals to 10 min or less. Especially since the Flash episodes are about 42-44 min long. Iris scenes literally total to 10 min or less, which isn't even HALF of the episode. So, how is the show about Iris?

 

[Jedi Arrow]

Yeah, the complaints against Iris are ridiculously overblown. She's not that bad, and other than the "We are the Flash" line, I've never had a problem with her and actually really enjoy her character.

 

[batdude]

Yeah, this show has its problems, but I really think Candice is awesome and not to blame for everything.

 

[NotGoodAtNames]

Yeah, the complaints against Iris are ridiculously overblown. She's not that bad, and other than the "We are the Flash" line, I've never had a problem with her and actually really enjoy her character.

Yeah, this show has its problems, but I really think Candice is awesome and not to blame for everything.

I don't care that people hate her. I don't really. Every tv show will always have characters whom people will not like. It's just the people who constantly nitpick every SINGLE THING and blow it out of proportion are just ugh......

Like I said above, we get it: some of them hate Iris. No need to constantly blame everything on her. I'll never get it. Especially when they like to go on rants over the smallest thing.

Sometimes, i wish I could see what goes on in their head. I wnat to see what they see

 

[Lana Archer]

The obsessive Iris hate is why I (and I bet loads of others) mostly lurk and roll my eyes on this forum. I thought it might be fun to start posting here, but the nastiness towards one of my favorite characters is just too much, even Reddit is better than this which says a lot.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

The obsessive Iris hate is why I (and I bet loads of others) mostly lurk and roll my eyes on this forum. I thought it might be fun to start posting here, but the nastiness towards one of my favorite characters is just too much, even Reddit is better than this which says a lot.

It actually used to be a lot worse, to the point where it very much did actively drive away a lot of posters from this forum and overshadowed any attempts to discuss the actual plots of the episodes and season, the mods actually had to get involved.

 

[Flash525]

Just look at the recent comments in the Flash general discussion thread. Y'all saw an article talking Carlos possible leaving, and blamed it on them giving Iris his role. Let's talk about that. What role did she take? Since the beginning, Cisco role has been to build weapons and be the tech guy. That's it. Where in the show is Iris doing this? What they show is Iris shooting a weapon, but that's it. So, where's the proof Iris is doing his job? Could y'all actually provide this? No, you can't. Because deep down, you know you're just lying and exaggerating to seem justified with the hate. If anybody is taking Cisco's role, it's Ralph and Wells. However, you don't care.

When Flash started out, it was Cisco and Catlin running the monitors; seeing where the villains were, accessing satellites, hacking video feeds (etc) and (somewhat) calling the shots. Iris does that now. The character at her forefront is a reporter, and yet she seemingly has taken over the role of Star Labs Administrator; she shouldn't really have any business being in that lab, sat at those computers, hacking video feeds and telling Barry what he should be doing.

Neither Wells, nor Ralph have ever been in that position. Wells has always been the tech/supporting guy, and Ralph has always been the supporting/investigating guy. They're completely different characters to Iris.

For the record, I don't hate Candice, nor do I hate Iris, though I do dislike the way the writers have opted to include her in practically everything that goes on in the show. Iris should be in her office, writing stories like a good little reporter, or even working with the police at crime scenes. Not sat in Star Labs (seemingly) all the time having team decisions. That's never how the character has been portrayed in the comics, and with good reason.

 

[Lana Archer]

It actually used to be a lot worse, to the point where it very much did actively drive away a lot of posters from this forum and overshadowed any attempts to discuss the actual plots of the episodes and season, the mods actually had to get involved.

I can believe it. Look at the post above. RME. It is impossible to have a fun conversation about The Flash with people infected with that kind of obsessive hatred for the show's leading lady. I will stick to lurking and maybe post occasionally.

 

[Flash525]

I can believe it. Look at the post above. RME. It is impossible to have a fun conversation about The Flash with people infected with that kind of obsessive hatred for the show's leading lady. I will stick to lurking and maybe post occasionally.

And yet I’ve specifically stated I don’t hate the character or actress. Maybe you could spend a little less time lurking, and a little more time actually reading what’s been said rather than making assumptions?

Aren’t you irritated at all by the fact that a reporter is running Star Labs? Doesn’t that very theme just seem implausible to you? What (in you’re opinion) has the character of Iris done so right that requires praise?

There have been times when people have disliked Felicity, but I figured that was because people wanted Oliver to end up with Laurel. In any case, the role Felicity took within Team Arrow was perfectly viable because she was a ‘tech chick’. Iris is not.

 

[Avenging Angel]

5x15 proved Iris being separated from the main core team benefited the show.

 

[NotGoodAtNames]

It actually used to be a lot worse, to the point where it very much did actively drive away a lot of posters from this forum and overshadowed any attempts to discuss the actual plots of the episodes and season, the mods actually had to get involved.

Yeah I saw that.

When Flash started out, it was Cisco and Catlin running the monitors; seeing where the villains were, accessing satellites, hacking video feeds (etc) and (somewhat) calling the shots. Iris does that now. The character at her forefront is a reporter, and yet she seemingly has taken over the role of Star Labs Administrator; she shouldn't really have any business being in that lab, sat at those computers, hacking video feeds and telling Barry what he should be doing.

Neither Wells, nor Ralph have ever been in that position. Wells has always been the tech/supporting guy, and Ralph has always been the supporting/investigating guy. They're completely different characters to Iris.

For the record, I don't hate Candice, nor do I hate Iris, though I do dislike the way the writers have opted to include her in practically everything that goes on in the show. Iris should be in her office, writing stories like a good little reporter, or even working with the police at crime scenes. Not sat in Star Labs (seemingly) all the time having team decisions. That's never how the character has been portrayed in the comics, and with good reason.

You and I are remembering two different things. Eobard was the one calling the shots. Cisco job is to build weapons. He's the tech guy. Caitlin is the doctor. That's it.

You keep saying Iris is doing all these things, but you can't back it up? She's hacking? Give me proof. Because as far I remember, Cisco designed the computers at the lab to hack anything. All they have to do is press one button and boom it hacks. You make it sound like they have her performing like Felicity. Literally Joe could sit there and do the same thing.

Every time someone asks for you all to show proof of Iris doing things, you never can. It's make your claims baseless.

Also, you can't use the comics excuse. You can't say Iris isn't like this in the comics and be completely fine with the way this show is. There's no team in the comics either and Barry is actually. Because no one who has read the comics, would be okay with Barry needing to ask what to do all the time. You just can't be okay with that and have a problem with Iris.

 

[Flash525]

You and I are remembering two different things. Eobard was the one calling the shots. Cisco job is to build weapons. He's the tech guy. Caitlin is the doctor. That's it.

I specifically left Thawne out of the picture because he was only a member of ‘Team Flash’ during (most of) the first season. Cisco & Caitlin have been consistent throughout.

You keep saying Iris is doing all these things, but you can't back it up? She's hacking? Give me proof. Because as far I remember, Cisco designed the computers at the lab to hack anything. All they have to do is press one button and boom it hacks. You make it sound like they have her performing like Felicity. Literally Joe could sit there and do the same thing.

But she’s still hacking, isn’t she? An engineer makes a car drivable; drivers operate motor vehicles due to the designers. Iris may not be writing these programs, but she’s still using them, and thus a hacker.

Even if you wished to disregard that point, what business does Iris actually have being at Star Labs practically all the time?

Every time someone asks for you all to show proof of Iris doing things, you never can. It's make your claims baseless.

Show me a single example where anyone has asked me for proof of my claims. Go on. Just one example.

Also, you can't use the comics excuse. You can't say Iris isn't like this in the comics and be completely fine with the way this show is. There's no team in the comics either and Barry is actually. Because no one who has read the comics, would be okay with Barry needing to ask what to do all the time. You just can't be okay with that and have a problem with Iris.

Who said I was even okay with the way the show runs[/]? There’s a whole lot I’m not particularly happy with, Iris being involved in practically everything just so happens to be at the forefront.

Heck, not even Caitlin or Clarissa said to Ronnie or Martin ‘we are firestorm’.

 

[batdude]

When Flash started out, it was Cisco and Catlin running the monitors; seeing where the villains were, accessing satellites, hacking video feeds (etc) and (somewhat) calling the shots. Iris does that now. The character at her forefront is a reporter, and yet she seemingly has taken over the role of Star Labs Administrator; she shouldn't really have any business being in that lab, sat at those computers, hacking video feeds and telling Barry what he should be doing.

Neither Wells, nor Ralph have ever been in that position. Wells has always been the tech/supporting guy, and Ralph has always been the supporting/investigating guy. They're completely different characters to Iris.

For the record, I don't hate Candice, nor do I hate Iris, though I do dislike the way the writers have opted to include her in practically everything that goes on in the show. Iris should be in her office, writing stories like a good little reporter, or even working with the police at crime scenes. Not sat in Star Labs (seemingly) all the time having team decisions. That's never how the character has been portrayed in the comics, and with good reason.

Well, I suppose they could say she's doing Public Relations for Star Labs. Seriously, I think they were just trying to make it different than Lois and Clark, specifically the Dean Cain/Teri Hatcher version. plus, pre-Crisis the comics killed Iris off.(She came back much later.)

 

[NotGoodAtNames]

I specifically left Thawne out of the picture because he was only a member of ‘Team Flash’ during (most of) the first season. Cisco & Caitlin have been consistent throughout.

But she’s still hacking, isn’t she? An engineer makes a car drivable; drivers operate motor vehicles due to the designers. Iris may not be writing these programs, but she’s still using them, and thus a hacker.

The way you're describing Iris hacking makes it sound like she is doing Felicity style hacking. She's not. Anybody can hack on this show because cisco design the computers to automatically hack anything. All they have to do is press one button. Joe could do it, Ralph could do it. Cecile could do it. Anybody. So it's not just one person job. She didn't take anything away from somebody.

Even if you wished to disregard that point, what business does Iris actually have being at Star Labs practically all the time?

What business does Barry have being there all the time? Barry being The Flash is not an excuse. Like Iris, Barry also has a full time job. Realistically, he shouldn't be there all the time, all day long. That's how they portray it. I've seen people say back in the early seasons "Shouldn't Iris be at work?" Well, guess what? Barry should be at work as well. Do you not see the bias?

Show me a single example where anyone has asked me for proof of my claims. Go on. Just one example.

I didn't say you specifically. I said "you all". I'm mainly talking about the ones who like to rants about Iris doing things, but can never give proof. I've asked before, but nothing.

Who said I was even okay with the way the show runs[/]? There’s a whole lot I’m not particularly happy with, Iris being involved in practically everything just so happens to be at the forefront.

Sorry, for assuming you were okay with everything on the show. I was just pointing out that you can't use the comics excuse.

Heck, not even Caitlin or Clarissa said to Ronnie or Martin ‘we are firestorm’.

Oh god, are y'all still triggered over that line? Yes, I said triggered. That's the behavior y'all give off as this line was almost 2 years ago. Get over it. Some of y'all already proved you didn't get the meaning.

 

[Flash525]

Well, I suppose they could say she's doing Public Relations for Star Labs. Seriously, I think they were just trying to make it different than Lois and Clark, specifically the Dean Cain/Teri Hatcher version. plus, pre-Crisis the comics killed Iris off. (She came back much later.)

I'm pretty sure there'd be some celebrations around here if that came to pass.

The way you're describing Iris hacking makes it sound like she is doing Felicity style hacking. She's not. Anybody can hack on this show because cisco design the computers to automatically hack anything. All they have to do is press one button. Joe could do it, Ralph could do it. Cecile could do it. Anybody. So it's not just one person job. She didn't take anything away from somebody.

But why is it Iris?

What business does Barry have being there all the time? Barry being The Flash is not an excuse. Like Iris, Barry also has a full time job. Realistically, he shouldn't be there all the time, all day long. That's how they portray it. I've seen people say back in the early seasons "Shouldn't Iris be at work?" Well, guess what? Barry should be at work as well. Do you not see the bias?

Actually, you're right - in that it isn't an excuse, but it is a reason. Barry is the Flash, so he has a purpose to be there. Likewise, being as fast as he is, he can zip between Star Labs and the Police Precinct without anyone noticing his absence from the latter. He is literally quick enough to do two jobs in one go.

Sorry, for assuming you were okay with everything on the show. I was just pointing out that you can't use the comics excuse.

It was a comparison, more than an excuse.

Oh god, are y'all still triggered over that line? Yes, I said triggered. That's the behavior y'all give off as this line was almost 2 years ago. Get over it. Some of y'all already proved you didn't get the meaning.

Don't be patronising. We (or rather, I) got the meaning, she's essentially telling Barry that they're in it together. It was however, an utterly ridiculous line.

 

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[Eni]

I haven't watched to show since season 3, it just lost any appeal to me. I still landed back on this forum today somehow. Just curiosity, I guess. I find it amusing how diverse the opinions about Iris still are. By now people should have gotten used to her. I never liked her, but neither did I like Barry, Cisco or the rest after season one. It is a CW show and you really notice that the writing is aimed for younger people. That isn't necessary bad, I still enjoy Smallville quite a bit, but it is somehow offputting with the Flash.

What I find amusing reading through this thread is that people either hate Iris or adore her, and why not, different people have different tastes. But next to people discussing her character, you get this posts of the actress with her tixs nearly hanging out and covered in "come hether" make-up and... I don't know, I just find it funny how people try to portray her as a competent part of the "team flash" while the eye candy trope is so damn strong with her. Then again, no female actress probably does any better in that regard. It's not a problem with her, I guess, more with how female characters are portrayed on tv shows. Especially on CW.

 

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[Eni]

I don't know whether the last two posts were in response to mine or whether it is just hilarious timing but they bringing across the point I tried to make very nicely.

I wonder how many people actually only like characters like Iris or Frost because of their looks. I'm sure with guys she offers perfect material for you know what but for women it is probably that they wanna look like her, not really be her, but have that body and sex appeal.

Anyway, if you like her, you like her. My opinion matters shxx in that regard, in any case.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I don't know whether the last two posts were in response to mine or whether it is just hilarious timing but they bringing across the point I tried to make very nicely.

I wonder how many people actually only like characters like Iris or Frost because of their looks. I'm sure with guys she offers perfect material for you know what but for women it is probably that they wanna look like her, not really be her, but have that body and sex appeal.

Anyway, if you like her, you like her. My opinion matters shxx in that regard, in any case.

Complete coincidence, I saw the thread bumped and had the pics to post, I just hadn't gotten around to it.

 

[kane9321]

hot as hell..JUST SO USELESS