The Flash The Iris West/Candice Patton Thread - Part 1

[Legendver2]

I wonder how many people actually only like characters like Iris or Frost because of their looks.

I think Emily Bett Rickards is super duper cute, but damn I hated her character for a couple of the latter seasons before these last 2 (forgot which seasons specifically), so no, looks isn't always the determining factor whether we like a character or not. It still factors in somewhat, but that's the case with male characters as well.

 

[Avenging Angel]

WATCH: JR Smith’s Wife Calls Out His ‘Affair’ With Candice Patton | Heavy.com

 

[signalman]

Thats too bad!
Wish people would work on their marriages and not fall into temptation of cheating on their spouse.

 

[NotGoodAtNames]

Thats too bad!
Wish people would work on their marriages and not fall into temptation of cheating on their spouse.

Nobody knows if he cheated. Nobody knows anything. This whole situation is messy as we don't know who's lying or telling the truth.

 

[Brierrose]

WATCH: JR Smith’s Wife Calls Out His ‘Affair’ With Candice Patton | Heavy.com

Thats too bad!
Wish people would work on their marriages and not fall into temptation of cheating on their spouse.

While the situations are most likely different let's not forget how Melissa Benoist was ****-shamed for "cheating" on her ex-husband Blake Jenner with her now husband Chris Wood. As it turns out Blake is an abusive ******* and Melissa took all that abuse from strangers in silence. The women in these situations always seem to take the abuse from strangers while the men don't. Unless you're one of the parties directly involved there's no way you know the whole truth so you have no basis or right to judge anyone.

 

[Avenging Angel]

I believe the one who's genuinely hurting, not one the ones who deny it with excuses or stay silent thinking people will forget about what happened. JR deleting his whole IG doesn't look like an innocent move. And being separated isn't the same as being divorced.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Eh, none of us know what these relationships are like on the inside. Just because someone is hurting doesn’t mean they’re a good person and just because someone denies something doesn’t mean they’re being truthful. Stuff like this is too complicated for anyone to pass judgement from way downtown imo.

 

[Avenging Angel]

Actually nobody seems like an innocent person here. Sometimes people take to social media to get the message across when simply talking in private doesn't work out.

 

[DCnightwing23]

Just started rewatching The Flash from the beginning after I cut myself off from the show midway in Season 3. Does anyway see the correlation of character "development" with Iris and Lana from Smallville? Both started out as cliched love interests, damsels in distress, slowly getting their own "thing" Iris with reporting on Flash and Lana with the coffee shop, slowly integrated into the action or becoming "hardened" with Lana learning to fight (pure cringe) and her not getting anything from anyone progression, and Iris' integration into the team and even leading it around the start of S4 (how is she even qualified to lead the time?) to what looks to be her wielding guns and wanting to handle things herself this current season (from promos alone).

It's funny because I loathed what Lana became in Smallville, so annoying, always filled with cringe dialogue and drama, and could not wait for Lois to take the main cast spot from her. And I'm feeling the same way with Iris. I'm a few episodes in on Season 4, and she is just terrible, she goes from a gossip columnist writing about The Streak, getting a reporter gig to report on The Flash, to programming training simulations and leading the team.. out of nowhere. She isn't shown taking lessons on programming with Cisco or elsewhere, she hadn't really helped the team AT ALL prior to Barry heading into the speed force outside of giving the team leads from her reporter connections. She's just become a nuisance and brings the show down so much. It seems like the writers believe Barry and Iris need to be glued together, when the comics show that is not the case. In fact, in a lot of ways I feel like the Patty in this show would have made more sense for Barry and the team than Iris, but again, the writers seem hellbent on sticking those two together.

 

[NotToday]

I don't know what to tell you, man. Iris is Barry's "Lois", so she's here to stay, and therefore will be integrated into the plots.

 

[Dotst]

The Flash Finally Let Iris West Be Black, and Now the Show Is the Best It's Ever Been | TV Guide

What a terrible article. I don't think anyone cared what race she is

 

[Sithborg]

Yeah, yeah they did. Granted, it was mixed in with the whole part of them changing Wally to black in the comics, but yes, they were upset that she was black.

 

[Da-Scribe]

The Flash Finally Let Iris West Be Black, and Now the Show Is the Best It's Ever Been | TV Guide

What a terrible article. I don't think anyone cared what race she is

That’s kinda the point. The show largely ignored her blackness and now it doesn’t.

 

[Dotst]

That’s kinda the point. The show largely ignored her blackness and now it doesn’t.

"ignored her blackness" by far the dumbest thing ive ever heard

 

[Da-Scribe]

"ignored her blackness" by far the dumbest thing ive ever heard

Lol mkay guy.

 

[fan4stic]

That’s kinda the point. The show largely ignored her blackness and now it doesn’t.

I don't see then ignoring her race in previous seasons any more than they have this season. The food thing I don't think resonates particular race sentiment. Same with the hair. White people can and have had both.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I don't see then ignoring her race in previous seasons any more than they have this season. The food thing I don't think resonates particular race sentiment. Same with the hair. White people can and have had both.

The stuff in the show is unique to black culture. A film legit just won an Oscar about black hair.

 

[fan4stic]

The stuff in the show is unique to black culture. A film legit just won an Oscar about black hair.

I think that's playing into some perceived stereotypes. But I've never seen that as a particular representation of it. A film winning an oscar doesn't tell me about what's right and/or wrong about it.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I think that's playing into some perceived stereotypes. But I've never seen that as a particular representation of it. A film winning an oscar doesn't tell me about what's right and/or wrong about it.

What “perceived stereotypes” are you talking about?

Look, black hair, among many things, is deeply symbolic to black people. Acknowledging that reality for the first time is a big leap forward in terms of accurately representing black culture.

I genuinely do not get what you’re on about.

 

[Dark Raven]

Where in any episode has Iris acknowledged her hair or made it a prominent feature?

 

[Sithborg]

Yeah, I am just going to assume none of you watch Black Lightning. What Patton has said is hardly controversial.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Where in any episode has Iris acknowledged her hair or made it a prominent feature?

That’s the point Patton made in the article. Iris has been sporting the same hairstyle for years and it’s just not really how black folks, especially women, go about styling their hair. So her being able to wear her natural curls allowed her a more realistic portrayal of a black person.

It’s not about announcing it in the show so much as just depicting the variety.

 

[Dark Raven]

That’s the point Patton made in the article. Iris has been sporting the same hairstyle for years and it’s just not really how black folks, especially women, go about styling their hair. So her being able to wear her natural curls allowed her a more realistic portrayal of a black person.

It’s not about announcing it in the show so much as just depicting the variety.

When she had wavier hair, I just took it that she wanted a more relaxed style or was going for something different, just like all women change their hair at some point or decide to have waves. It didn't seem like a statement at all and was barely noticeable. I only know of it because it was mentioned in the article but wouldn't have remembered.

ScarJo in the MCU has had all manner of styles and colours as Black Widow.

 

[Da-Scribe]

When she had wavier hair, I just took it that she wanted a more relaxed style or was going for something different, just like all women change their hair at some point or decide to have waves. It didn't seem like a statement at all and was barely noticeable. I only know of it because it was mentioned in the article but wouldn't have remembered.

ScarJo in the MCU has had all manner of styles and colours as Black Widow.

Not trying to be rude here, but it wasn’t really done for you to notice. She and the writer get at it in the article, but it was something meant to resonate with black people. It ties back into our specific history with our hair.

There’s a big difference between a white woman wearing different wigs and a black woman rocking her natural hair. Like we live in a time where actual state legislation has been passed to prevent hair-based discrimination against natural black hair.

 

[fan4stic]

What “perceived stereotypes” are you talking about?

Look, black hair, among many things, is deeply symbolic to black people. Acknowledging that reality for the first time is a big leap forward in terms of accurately representing black culture.

I genuinely do not get what you’re on about.

the thing in the article about black people and barbecues and food.

Having curly hair isn't indicative of blackness.