The Flash The Iris West/Candice Patton Thread

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Still doesn't matter since she can't defend herself and needs help. She doesn't fit well with the team, anybody could take her place at this point. The character needs developing.
Cisco and Caitlin both can't defend themselves. Jay and at this point Harrison aren't really doing much either. Patty fulfills the same role as Joe as a cop, otherwise she doesn't really have a point. Joe himself is really no fully point having either. Every show has several characters that don't have a real point. I don't know why certain characters are always focused on as being pointless, even characters who do have development, which Cisco and Caitlin haven't really had and neither has Jay really. Patty had a solid piece of that in the previous episode, but before that she was just kinda hanging around. Joe's main thing has been pretty development free so far this season. He had a good moment in the previous episode as well, but the episode missed the opportunity to have him develop a little more with it. I agree Iris should be developed more, but Iris had some acceptable stuff with her deciding to tell her father about Wally, but other than that she hasn't had much, like the other characters.

God bless you! God bless everyone!
 
I think Iris has been great this season. I think the fact that you no longer have people complaining about her character and lame love triangles is a sign that the writers have taken the right steps and given her character a storyline beyond just being the love interest.

Her character has vastly improved imo and they've given Candice a chance to let more of her own personality through in addition to giving her character more nuance than before imo.
 
She hasn't improved at all. I don't see any scenes where it showcases her narrative or a chance for the character to grow as a person, a journalist or a close friend in Barry's life.

People are still complaining and either want her killed off or are still waiting for the writers to give her something beyond just being there.
 
I was someone who didn't mind Iris last season. Except for maybe one episode, I thought her story was fine. Someone people just don't like romance and unfortunately for her, she was stuck in the middle of it. I also have to point out that I have seen comments from people who say they didn't like her because she was female and black. So she suffers from discrimination. (BTW, Im not saying everyone who disliked her, disliked her for those reasons).

She's done a lot for the team in this season, and more often than others, knows exactly what Barry needs. She's helped him as person more than anyone else except maybe Joe. So people complaining that she's useless must be seriously being biased against her.
 
I was someone who didn't mind Iris last season. Except for maybe one episode, I thought her story was fine. Someone people just don't like romance and unfortunately for her, she was stuck in the middle of it. I also have to point out that I have seen comments from people who say they didn't like her because she was female and black. So she suffers from discrimination. (BTW, Im not saying everyone who disliked her, disliked her for those reasons).

She's done a lot for the team in this season, and more often than others, knows exactly what Barry needs. She's helped him as person more than anyone else except maybe Joe. So people complaining that she's useless must be seriously being biased against her.

First season I thought she was really bad and was the worst part of the show and has much hate has lang had on smallville I thought season 1 Iris was much much worse. Now this year though while not great has been much better.
 
I have found her role in the family drama, and the family drama in general, to be tiresome. But what has benefited Iris this season is the character is more integrated and less of a side show that distracts from the main storyline. She also doesn't spend a good amount of time bringing Barry's character down. That being said, I don't like her anymore or less. She is just there, being played by a mediocre actress.
 
I was someone who didn't mind Iris last season. Except for maybe one episode, I thought her story was fine. Someone people just don't like romance and unfortunately for her, she was stuck in the middle of it. I also have to point out that I have seen comments from people who say they didn't like her because she was female and black. So she suffers from discrimination. (BTW, Im not saying everyone who disliked her, disliked her for those reasons).

She's done a lot for the team in this season, and more often than others, knows exactly what Barry needs. She's helped him as person more than anyone else except maybe Joe. So people complaining that she's useless must be seriously being biased against her.

Agreed.
 
I was someone who didn't mind Iris last season. Except for maybe one episode, I thought her story was fine. Someone people just don't like romance and unfortunately for her, she was stuck in the middle of it. I also have to point out that I have seen comments from people who say they didn't like her because she was female and black. So she suffers from discrimination. (BTW, Im not saying everyone who disliked her, disliked her for those reasons).

She's done a lot for the team in this season, and more often than others, knows exactly what Barry needs. She's helped him as person more than anyone else except maybe Joe. So people complaining that she's useless must be seriously being biased against her.

Yeah. I complained about her character alot last season because the writers did a pretty bad job with her imo. She's been much better and I actually like her scenes now as opposed to fast forwarding once she shows up. Then again, there are those who won't like her no matter what so, and you her character won't please everyone , so what can you do .
 
First season I thought she was really bad and was the worst part of the show and has much hate has lang had on smallville I thought season 1 Iris was much much worse. Now this year though while not great has been much better.
She hasn't been much better because there was never really a problem. The only real difference here is that she knows Barry's secret and is sometimes involved in the episode stories. And both of those things weren't her fault last season.

God bless you! God bless everyone!
 
I have found her role in the family drama, and the family drama in general, to be tiresome. But what has benefited Iris this season is the character is more integrated and less of a side show that distracts from the main storyline. She also doesn't spend a good amount of time bringing Barry's character down. That being said, I don't like her anymore or less. She is just there, being played by a mediocre actress.

We're going to be treated to more west family soap opera drama this season based on the latest interviews from the cast.

The writers still don't know what to do with her. It's going to get worse before it gets better.
 
Candice is a great actress. Iris is a great character. She has carried the B storyline very well this season.
 
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What did you think of the relationship switch-ups on Earth-2 last week?




"The Flash's" Candice Patton Discusses Iris and Barry's Relationship on Earth-2
"The Flash's" Candice Patton shares her thoughts on Barry and Iris' relationship on Earth-2 and how Iris and Barry are connected in every universe.


Grant Gustin and Candice Patton on Earth-2​

Last week on "The Flash" audiences were introduced to a variety of new versions of their favorite characters.Barry Allen was a geekier version of his CSI self, Joe West was a lounge singer, Floyd "Deadshot" Lawton was a bumbling cop, and Iris West was a detective at the CCPD. It was refreshing and fun to see these actors play different versions of themselves, especially Candice Patton, who got to take Iris out from behind her reporter desk into the field with a gun and badge.

RELATED: "The Flash" Featurette Video Goes Behind the Scenes on Earth-2
Candice Patton spoke to TVLine today and shared some of her thoughts on playing Earth-2 Iris, including how she had to press into her own fierceness, and what it was like bringing to life such an iconic relationship as "West Allen."

When asked about how Patton carried herself differently in playing Earth-2 Iris, Patton said "I wanted her to be as strong as her father is on Earth-One. It was an unusual difference for me now being the “alpha” in the room. ["The Flash"] director Millicent Shelton, had to come over to me a couple of times and say, 'You’re on the right track. Be fierce. Be dominant.'"

When asked about Iris being married to Barry Allen (Grant Gustin) on Earth-2, Patton said, "It’s nice to see how these two opposites really attract on Earth-Two. [This week], you’ll see that Earth-Two Barry, while he is very nerdy and shy and a bit reserved, kind of rises to the challenge. He wants to work alongside his wife." As for Earth-1 Barry and Iris' relationship, Patton said, "The newspaper says we’re married in the future. Them being married on Earth-Two kind of gives this idea that Barry and I are always connected, no matter where we find them."


While Iris and Barry are not in a relationship on Earth-1, Iris West and Barry Allen were married inthe comics. Fans of this pairing must have loved seeing them married on last week's episode. When asked if their marriage on Earth-2 will change anything for Earth-1 Iris, Patton said, "Yes — in the sense that there’s almost a seed planted, at least for Iris. This idea that they are married on Earth-Two and supposedly married in the future makes Iris start to wonder if maybe they are truly destined to be together."
LOOK: Team Flash Gets an Ice Cold Ally in New "Escape from Earth-2" Pics


While Barry had to get over Iris last season, and is currently getting over Patty Spivot (Shantel VanSanten) this season, it will be interesting to see how he reacts to Iris when he gets back to Earth-1. Will his feelings for Iris be rekindled? Will Iris be open to pursuing something with Barry?"The Flash" EP Andrew Kreisberg previously mentioned that these is more ahead for Iris and Barry and that it will make fans happy, could he be referring to fans of the couple eventually getting together?


"The Flash" conclused its Earth-2 story line this Tuesday night at 8 p.m. on The CW in "Escape from Earth-2."
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It was a step up but knowing that we left Earth-2 Iris behind and still have E1 is the problem. Her new boss might straighten her up. I heard he's going to be her new love interest. Tone Bell.

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I've read over this thread. It started out hopeful and positive then descended into a constant stream of negatives. Some of the criticism is valid, others.....not so much. Personally, I saw nothing wrong with Iris's character overall last season. A few hiccup scenes here and there, but nothing to warrant calling her a selfish *****. Some points:

The Linda debacle. Linda went to Iris to find out why Barry's so.....Barry. The explanation Iris gave wasn't done maliciously as others have pointed out. She told Linda that Barry had an unrequited love and to give him some time. She later questioned her own intent, showing that in the moment Iris wasn't consciously trying to derail Barry's and Linda's relationship. Let's keep in mind that the real perpetrator behind Barry's and Linda's failed relationship is Barry himself. He lied to Linda, when he told her he was over Iris. Fully knowing that Linda wouldn't have dated him otherwise. Then dumped Linda when he knew Iris had feelings for her. Then proceeded to ask Iris out in front of Linda. Both Iris and Barry looked bad in this situation and Linda was the victim.

The Bowling Alley scene. Iris wiping ketchup off Barry's lip was to show the familiarity and deep intimacy of their relationship. Iris didn't feel that what she did was wrong until Eddie and Linda confronted her about it. Barry didn't see anything wrong with it period. Being best friends and having grown up in the same household, it's not outrageous that they'd have intimate quirks like these.

Iris's reaction at finding out about the Flash. Some people complained that Iris made it all about her. Um, yeah it kind was about her. She was the one they were all lying to and she just found out. Some have asked what right does Iris have to know Barry's secret. Well, Barry gave her that right. Iris was the first person Barry wanted to tell when he became the Flash, but Joe forbade him to. Barry himself even said that Iris had the right to know. Not only that, but Iris's life was affected by this secret. Some of Barry's enemies knew the Flash's identity. Meaning, if they wanted to hurt him then they could go after those closest to him like his family. Iris would be walking around completely unaware that every second her life is in danger because Barry's running around lifting his mask off for everyone but her. Iris's life has already been threatened. She has a right to know that. Plus she was beginning to investigate Wells along with Mason. We all know what happened to Mason right? If Iris continued along that vein then she could've been killed as well. And you have to think about Barry's and Iris's relationship. They tell each other everything. But Barry kept one of the most important things about himself from her and told everyone else. She felt hurt. Of course she would. I think there's more to say here, but I'll leave this topic for now.

Iris giving Eddie and ultimatum. Some of ya'll think Iris should've just left Eddie alone. Her boyfriend, who she was living with. Lying to Iris was tearing Eddie apart and it was affecting his relationship with Iris. Iris said he'd been distant with her. When she asked if Eddie was working with the Flash he could've said yes. That's all he had to say. She didn't ask for the Flash's identity, she never really cared to find out the Flash's identity. Even if she did ask for his identity, all Eddie had to say was I don't know. But Eddie was clearly lying to her face and Iris knew it. Now onto Iris considering the explanation that Barry offered and still giving Eddie an ultimatum. Someone on here explained it really well already. Eddie's her boyfriend and they live together. Eddie even wants to marry her someday. Iris doesn't want him to keep stuff from her and suffer through it alone (because it's obvious Eddie was suffering). She doesn't want him to grow distant and resort to lying to her face. She doesn't feel she needs protection from the ghastly details of a police case. When Joe tried to protect her from hearing about the crimes he was investigating, she was a child. She's not a child anymore and Eddie's her equal, her partner. If he wants a serious relationship then he has to share the burden not carry it alone and allow it to affect their relationship. She had the right to give him an ultimatum. If she didn't want a relationship with a guy who treated her the way her father treated her, who wasn't open and honest, who would disconnect from her rather than talk about it, who point blank lies to her face then she had the right to tell Eddie to either start opening up to her (as you should when you're in a relationship) or it'll be it for them.

Iris being a damsel in distress. That's not something only Iris has to deal with. Everyone on this show has been a damsel in distress, even Barry. At least in every situation where Iris's life was in danger, she helped. Knocking out Girder, cleverly alerting Joe that she and hundreds of others had been poisoned, shooting the Clock King... I believe that's it.

Now as for the there's no racism and sexism behind the dislike of Iris West/Candice Patton comments, those of you who believe that must not visit sites other than this thread. I was glad to read through this thread and not see any racism. But other sites are a different story. A lot of people didn't like Iris West/Candice Patton because she was black. I've seen the "n" word, monkey, and black ***** thrown at her in the beginning of the show (someone even took a picture of Candice, changed her skin white and gave her red hair to look white like comic Iris West). Even the producers told Candice Patton not to read any comments online for a few days after her casting was released. They (rightfully) knew she was going to receive a lot of hate because she was black playing a traditionally white character. Someone on tumblr made a compilation of some of the racist things said about Candice and Iris. I'd post it, but it's buried and I can't remember the user (you should really try looking for it though. I'd advise going to the facebook Flash page and look at every post about Iris/Candice going back to the beginning). As for sexism, I once saw a comment by a man saying Iris doesn't deserve to be with Barry because she was used goods for sleeping with Eddie. That comment had a lot of up votes showing that many agreed with him. After that, I never doubted anyone saying that sexism was involved in some of the Iris/Candice hate. And since I saw racist comments said about her first hand, I didn't doubt it either. And I seriously doubt that the people who threw racial slurs at her are fine and dandy with her character now (I've found that some hide behind bogus reasons for disliking her character: her breathing on the roof top was too loud, she smiles too much, she doesn't look right, she's not pretty enough, her and Barry don't look right together, person with no reason: "I don't like her" why? "just because").
 
I've read over this thread. It started out hopeful and positive then descended into a constant stream of negatives. Some of the criticism is valid, others.....not so much. Personally, I saw nothing wrong with Iris's character overall last season. A few hiccup scenes here and there, but nothing to warrant calling her a selfish *****. Some points:

The Linda debacle. Linda went to Iris to find out why Barry's so.....Barry. The explanation Iris gave wasn't done maliciously as others have pointed out. She told Linda that Barry had an unrequited love and to give him some time. She later questioned her own intent, showing that in the moment Iris wasn't consciously trying to derail Barry's and Linda's relationship. Let's keep in mind that the real perpetrator behind Barry's and Linda's failed relationship is Barry himself. He lied to Linda, when he told her he was over Iris. Fully knowing that Linda wouldn't have dated him otherwise. Then dumped Linda when he knew Iris had feelings for her. Then proceeded to ask Iris out in front of Linda. Both Iris and Barry looked bad in this situation and Linda was the victim.

The Bowling Alley scene. Iris wiping ketchup off Barry's lip was to show the familiarity and deep intimacy of their relationship. Iris didn't feel that what she did was wrong until Eddie and Linda confronted her about it. Barry didn't see anything wrong with it period. Being best friends and having grown up in the same household, it's not outrageous that they'd have intimate quirks like these.

Iris's reaction at finding out about the Flash. Some people complained that Iris made it all about her. Um, yeah it kind was about her. She was the one they were all lying to and she just found out. Some have asked what right does Iris have to know Barry's secret. Well, Barry gave her that right. Iris was the first person Barry wanted to tell when he became the Flash, but Joe forbade him to. Barry himself even said that Iris had the right to know. Not only that, but Iris's life was affected by this secret. Some of Barry's enemies knew the Flash's identity. Meaning, if they wanted to hurt him then they could go after those closest to him like his family. Iris would be walking around completely unaware that every second her life is in danger because Barry's running around lifting his mask off for everyone but her. Iris's life has already been threatened. She has a right to know that. Plus she was beginning to investigate Wells along with Mason. We all know what happened to Mason right? If Iris continued along that vein then she could've been killed as well. And you have to think about Barry's and Iris's relationship. They tell each other everything. But Barry kept one of the most important things about himself from her and told everyone else. She felt hurt. Of course she would. I think there's more to say here, but I'll leave this topic for now.

Iris giving Eddie and ultimatum. Some of ya'll think Iris should've just left Eddie alone. Her boyfriend, who she was living with. Lying to Iris was tearing Eddie apart and it was affecting his relationship with Iris. Iris said he'd been distant with her. When she asked if Eddie was working with the Flash he could've said yes. That's all he had to say. She didn't ask for the Flash's identity, she never really cared to find out the Flash's identity. Even if she did ask for his identity, all Eddie had to say was I don't know. But Eddie was clearly lying to her face and Iris knew it. Now onto Iris considering the explanation that Barry offered and still giving Eddie an ultimatum. Someone on here explained it really well already. Eddie's her boyfriend and they live together. Eddie even wants to marry her someday. Iris doesn't want him to keep stuff from her and suffer through it alone (because it's obvious Eddie was suffering). She doesn't want him to grow distant and resort to lying to her face. She doesn't feel she needs protection from the ghastly details of a police case. When Joe tried to protect her from hearing about the crimes he was investigating, she was a child. She's not a child anymore and Eddie's her equal, her partner. If he wants a serious relationship then he has to share the burden not carry it alone and allow it to affect their relationship. She had the right to give him an ultimatum. If she didn't want a relationship with a guy who treated her the way her father treated her, who wasn't open and honest, who would disconnect from her rather than talk about it, who point blank lies to her face then she had the right to tell Eddie to either start opening up to her (as you should when you're in a relationship) or it'll be it for them.

Iris being a damsel in distress. That's not something only Iris has to deal with. Everyone on this show has been a damsel in distress, even Barry. At least in every situation where Iris's life was in danger, she helped. Knocking out Girder, cleverly alerting Joe that she and hundreds of others had been poisoned, shooting the Clock King... I believe that's it.

Now as for the there's no racism and sexism behind the dislike of Iris West/Candice Patton comments, those of you who believe that must not visit sites other than this thread. I was glad to read through this thread and not see any racism. But other sites are a different story. A lot of people didn't like Iris West/Candice Patton because she was black. I've seen the "n" word, monkey, and black ***** thrown at her in the beginning of the show (someone even took a picture of Candice, changed her skin white and gave her red hair to look white like comic Iris West). Even the producers told Candice Patton not to read any comments online for a few days after her casting was released. They (rightfully) knew she was going to receive a lot of hate because she was black playing a traditionally white character. Someone on tumblr made a compilation of some of the racist things said about Candice and Iris. I'd post it, but it's buried and I can't remember the user (you should really try looking for it though. I'd advise going to the facebook Flash page and look at every post about Iris/Candice going back to the beginning). As for sexism, I once saw a comment by a man saying Iris doesn't deserve to be with Barry because she was used goods for sleeping with Eddie. That comment had a lot of up votes showing that many agreed with him. After that, I never doubted anyone saying that sexism was involved in some of the Iris/Candice hate. And since I saw racist comments said about her first hand, I didn't doubt it either. And I seriously doubt that the people who threw racial slurs at her are fine and dandy with her character now (I've found that some hide behind bogus reasons for disliking her character: her breathing on the roof top was too loud, she smiles too much, she doesn't look right, she's not pretty enough, her and Barry don't look right together, person with no reason: "I don't like her" why? "just because").

Damn, I suspected, but never actually knew the racism against Candice was this bad. Maybe because I'd get heated if I saw it. I have noticed reverse-racism from other minorities in the fanbase, but it's now I guess confirmed as compensation for my aforementioned suspicions.

Whatever, I think she does a great job on weekly basis. **** the ignorance and haters and babygirl should just continue doing what she does.
 
Don't even go there bro.

You talking to me? Are you saying Candice/Iris didn't receive any hate because she was black? Are you saying the producers were wrong to tell her not to read any comments about her casting? I went and tried to hunt some of it down for you:


There's the picture I mentioned and some racially motivated comments (someone had a bigger collage but I can't find it).

I don't think there's as much irrational Iris hate now as there was in the beginning, but again, I doubt the people who resorted to calling her the n word just disappeared or are charmed by her character now. And again, I'd advise you to go to the Flash facebook page and look at the earlier (really all) postings concerning Iris/Candice. That place was a cesspool of hate for both the actress and character.

People didn't like the race change of Iris West and they took it out on the character and the actress. There was valid criticism of Iris West and then there was irrational, racially motivated, sexist hate.
 
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I've read over this thread. It started out hopeful and positive then descended into a constant stream of negatives. Some of the criticism is valid, others.....not so much. Personally, I saw nothing wrong with Iris's character overall last season. A few hiccup scenes here and there, but nothing to warrant calling her a selfish *****. Some points:

The Linda debacle. Linda went to Iris to find out why Barry's so.....Barry. The explanation Iris gave wasn't done maliciously as others have pointed out. She told Linda that Barry had an unrequited love and to give him some time. She later questioned her own intent, showing that in the moment Iris wasn't consciously trying to derail Barry's and Linda's relationship. Let's keep in mind that the real perpetrator behind Barry's and Linda's failed relationship is Barry himself. He lied to Linda, when he told her he was over Iris. Fully knowing that Linda wouldn't have dated him otherwise. Then dumped Linda when he knew Iris had feelings for her. Then proceeded to ask Iris out in front of Linda. Both Iris and Barry looked bad in this situation and Linda was the victim.

The Bowling Alley scene. Iris wiping ketchup off Barry's lip was to show the familiarity and deep intimacy of their relationship. Iris didn't feel that what she did was wrong until Eddie and Linda confronted her about it. Barry didn't see anything wrong with it period. Being best friends and having grown up in the same household, it's not outrageous that they'd have intimate quirks like these.

Iris's reaction at finding out about the Flash. Some people complained that Iris made it all about her. Um, yeah it kind was about her. She was the one they were all lying to and she just found out. Some have asked what right does Iris have to know Barry's secret. Well, Barry gave her that right. Iris was the first person Barry wanted to tell when he became the Flash, but Joe forbade him to. Barry himself even said that Iris had the right to know. Not only that, but Iris's life was affected by this secret. Some of Barry's enemies knew the Flash's identity. Meaning, if they wanted to hurt him then they could go after those closest to him like his family. Iris would be walking around completely unaware that every second her life is in danger because Barry's running around lifting his mask off for everyone but her. Iris's life has already been threatened. She has a right to know that. Plus she was beginning to investigate Wells along with Mason. We all know what happened to Mason right? If Iris continued along that vein then she could've been killed as well. And you have to think about Barry's and Iris's relationship. They tell each other everything. But Barry kept one of the most important things about himself from her and told everyone else. She felt hurt. Of course she would. I think there's more to say here, but I'll leave this topic for now.

Iris giving Eddie and ultimatum. Some of ya'll think Iris should've just left Eddie alone. Her boyfriend, who she was living with. Lying to Iris was tearing Eddie apart and it was affecting his relationship with Iris. Iris said he'd been distant with her. When she asked if Eddie was working with the Flash he could've said yes. That's all he had to say. She didn't ask for the Flash's identity, she never really cared to find out the Flash's identity. Even if she did ask for his identity, all Eddie had to say was I don't know. But Eddie was clearly lying to her face and Iris knew it. Now onto Iris considering the explanation that Barry offered and still giving Eddie an ultimatum. Someone on here explained it really well already. Eddie's her boyfriend and they live together. Eddie even wants to marry her someday. Iris doesn't want him to keep stuff from her and suffer through it alone (because it's obvious Eddie was suffering). She doesn't want him to grow distant and resort to lying to her face. She doesn't feel she needs protection from the ghastly details of a police case. When Joe tried to protect her from hearing about the crimes he was investigating, she was a child. She's not a child anymore and Eddie's her equal, her partner. If he wants a serious relationship then he has to share the burden not carry it alone and allow it to affect their relationship. She had the right to give him an ultimatum. If she didn't want a relationship with a guy who treated her the way her father treated her, who wasn't open and honest, who would disconnect from her rather than talk about it, who point blank lies to her face then she had the right to tell Eddie to either start opening up to her (as you should when you're in a relationship) or it'll be it for them.

Iris being a damsel in distress. That's not something only Iris has to deal with. Everyone on this show has been a damsel in distress, even Barry. At least in every situation where Iris's life was in danger, she helped. Knocking out Girder, cleverly alerting Joe that she and hundreds of others had been poisoned, shooting the Clock King... I believe that's it.

Now as for the there's no racism and sexism behind the dislike of Iris West/Candice Patton comments, those of you who believe that must not visit sites other than this thread. I was glad to read through this thread and not see any racism. But other sites are a different story. A lot of people didn't like Iris West/Candice Patton because she was black. I've seen the "n" word, monkey, and black ***** thrown at her in the beginning of the show (someone even took a picture of Candice, changed her skin white and gave her red hair to look white like comic Iris West). Even the producers told Candice Patton not to read any comments online for a few days after her casting was released. They (rightfully) knew she was going to receive a lot of hate because she was black playing a traditionally white character. Someone on tumblr made a compilation of some of the racist things said about Candice and Iris. I'd post it, but it's buried and I can't remember the user (you should really try looking for it though. I'd advise going to the facebook Flash page and look at every post about Iris/Candice going back to the beginning). As for sexism, I once saw a comment by a man saying Iris doesn't deserve to be with Barry because she was used goods for sleeping with Eddie. That comment had a lot of up votes showing that many agreed with him. After that, I never doubted anyone saying that sexism was involved in some of the Iris/Candice hate. And since I saw racist comments said about her first hand, I didn't doubt it either. And I seriously doubt that the people who threw racial slurs at her are fine and dandy with her character now (I've found that some hide behind bogus reasons for disliking her character: her breathing on the roof top was too loud, she smiles too much, she doesn't look right, she's not pretty enough, her and Barry don't look right together, person with no reason: "I don't like her" why? "just because").

Great post, I completely agree. I think its also important to point out that all lot of people complained when Iris was too whiney or upset, because she was dragging the show down and when she didn't agree with Barry. A lot of people in various places seemed to think that Iris had to fun to watch all the time, which is ridiculous. Also the notion that she her only role in life was to support her man is troubling.
 
I've read over this thread. It started out hopeful and positive then descended into a constant stream of negatives. Some of the criticism is valid, others.....not so much. Personally, I saw nothing wrong with Iris's character overall last season. A few hiccup scenes here and there, but nothing to warrant calling her a selfish *****. Some points:

The Linda debacle. Linda went to Iris to find out why Barry's so.....Barry. The explanation Iris gave wasn't done maliciously as others have pointed out. She told Linda that Barry had an unrequited love and to give him some time. She later questioned her own intent, showing that in the moment Iris wasn't consciously trying to derail Barry's and Linda's relationship. Let's keep in mind that the real perpetrator behind Barry's and Linda's failed relationship is Barry himself. He lied to Linda, when he told her he was over Iris. Fully knowing that Linda wouldn't have dated him otherwise. Then dumped Linda when he knew Iris had feelings for her. Then proceeded to ask Iris out in front of Linda. Both Iris and Barry looked bad in this situation and Linda was the victim.

The Bowling Alley scene. Iris wiping ketchup off Barry's lip was to show the familiarity and deep intimacy of their relationship. Iris didn't feel that what she did was wrong until Eddie and Linda confronted her about it. Barry didn't see anything wrong with it period. Being best friends and having grown up in the same household, it's not outrageous that they'd have intimate quirks like these.

Iris's reaction at finding out about the Flash. Some people complained that Iris made it all about her. Um, yeah it kind was about her. She was the one they were all lying to and she just found out. Some have asked what right does Iris have to know Barry's secret. Well, Barry gave her that right. Iris was the first person Barry wanted to tell when he became the Flash, but Joe forbade him to. Barry himself even sai d that Iris had the right to know. Not only that, but Iris's life was affected by this secret. Some of Barry's enemies knew the Flash's identity. Meaning, if they wanted to hurt him then they could go after those closest to him like his family. Iris would be walking around completely unaware that every second her life is in danger because Barry's running around lifting his mask off for everyone but her. Iris's life has already been threatened. She has a right to know that. Plus she was beginning to investigate Wells along with Mason. We all know what happened to Mason right? If Iris continued along that vein then she could've been killed as well. And you have to think about Barry's and Iris's relationship. They tell each other everything. But Barry kept one of the most important things about himself from her and told everyone else. She felt hurt. Of course she would. I think there's more to say here, but I'll leave this topic for now.

Iris giving Eddie and ultimatum. Some of ya'll think Iris should've just left Eddie alone. Her boyfriend, who she was living with. Lying to Iris was tearing Eddie apart and it was affecting his relationship with Iris. Iris said he'd been distant with her. When she asked if Eddie was working with the Flash he could've said yes. That's all he had to say. She didn't ask for the Flash's identity, she never really cared to find out the Flash's identity. Even if she did ask for his identity, all Eddie had to say was I don't know. But Eddie was clearly lying to her face and Iris knew it. Now onto Iris considering the explanation that Barry offered and still giving Eddie an ultimatum. Someone on here explained it really well already. Eddie's her boyfriend and they live together. Eddie even wants to marry her someday. Iris doesn't want him to keep stuff from her and suffer through it alone (because it's obvious Eddie was suffering). She doesn't want him to grow distant and resort to lying to her face. She doesn't feel she needs protection from the ghastly details of a police case. When Joe tried to protect her from hearing about the crimes he was investigating, she was a child. She's not a child anymore and Eddie's her equal, her partner. If he wants a serious relationship then he has to share the burden not carry it alone and allow it to affect their relationship. She had the right to give him an ultimatum. If she didn't want a relationship with a guy who treated her the way her father treated her, who wasn't open and honest, who would disconnect from her rather than talk about it, who point blank lies to her face then she had the right to tell Eddie to either start opening up to her (as you should when you're in a relationship) or it'll be it for them.

Iris being a damsel in distress. That's not something only Iris has to deal with. Everyone on this show has been a damsel in distress, even Barry. At least in every situation where Iris's life was in danger, she helped. Knocking out Girder, cleverly alerting Joe that she and hundreds of others had been poisoned, shooting the Clock King... I believe that's it.

Now as for the there's no racism and sexism behind the dislike of Iris West/Candice Patton comments, those of you who believe that must not visit sites other than this thread. I was glad to read through this thread and not see any racism. But other sites are a different story. A lot of people didn't like Iris West/Candice Patton because she was black. I've seen the "n" word, monkey, and black ***** thrown at her in the beginning of the show (someone even took a picture of Candice, changed her skin white and gave her red hair to look white like comic Iris West). Even the producers told Candice Patton not to read any comments online for a few days after her casting was released. They (rightfully) knew she was going to receive a lot of hate because she was black playing a traditionally white character. Someone on tumblr made a compilation of some of the racist things said about Candice and Iris. I'd post it, but it's buried and I can't remember the user (you should really try looking for it though. I'd advise going to the facebook Flash page and look at every post about Iris/Candice going back to the beginning). As for sexism, I once saw a comment by a man saying Iris doesn't deserve to be with Barry because she was used goods for sleeping with Eddie. That comment had a lot of up votes showing that many agreed with him. After that, I never doubted anyone saying that sexism was involved in some of the Iris/Candice hate. And since I saw racist comments said about her first hand, I didn't doubt it either. And I seriously doubt that the people who threw racial slurs at her are fine and dandy with her character now (I've found that some hide behind bogus reasons for disliking her character: her breathing on the roof top was too loud, she smiles too much, she doesn't look right, she's not pretty enough, her and Barry don't look right together, person with no reason: "I don't like her" why? "just because").

Great post.
 
I just don't like Iris.
Am I racist? I like Joe. Weird.
Am I sexist? I like Caitlyn, so darn.

What other reasons for my illogical dislike can other people attribute this to?
The name 'Iris' maybe? I know no other live action Iris' so that's possible. Didn't mind the name in the comics though.
Skirts? Nope, I like ladies wearing skirts (and Iris can).
Looks? As above, I think she's pretty hot, so maybe I want an ugly Iris?

Wow, I'm really stumped why I don't like her!!! Pls forum psychologists, help me!

Crayola: "Just because" :D
 
Irrelevant. Is the actress getting hate now? Stop baiting dude. Most of us just don't care for the character. Accept it.
 
Great post, I completely agree. I think its also important to point out that all lot of people complained when Iris was too whiney or upset, because she was dragging the show down and when she didn't agree with Barry. A lot of people in various places seemed to think that Iris had to fun to watch all the time, which is ridiculous. Also the notion that she her only role in life was to support her man is troubling.

Very true. I think people trivialize Iris's feelings when they use terms like whiny and diva to describe them. A lot of the problems surrounding Iris had to do with how the men in her life treated her and I really fault the writers there (I don't mind the superhero trope of keeping his identity secret, but it became exasperating and damaging to Iris's character when she was the only one in the whole show who didn't know and was being lied).

I just don't like Iris.
Am I racist? I like Joe. Weird.
Am I sexist? I like Caitlyn, so darn.

What other reasons for my illogical dislike can other people attribute this to?
The name 'Iris' maybe? I know no other live action Iris' so that's possible. Didn't mind the name in the comics though.
Skirts? Nope, I like ladies wearing skirts (and Iris can).
Looks? As above, I think she's pretty hot, so maybe I want an ugly Iris?

Wow, I'm really stumped why I don't like her!!! Pls forum psychologists, help me!

Crayola: "Just because" :D

What? Why are you getting defensive over something that wasn't directed at you? I never accused you or anyone in this thread of racism. In fact I said I was pleased to read through this thread and see no racism directed at Candice/Iris. I also said that there was valid criticism about the Iris West character.

However, there were racist insults hurled at Candice and her character and I was addressing the disbelief at this. It's why the producers told her to stay away from comments about her online. I already posted links to snippets of some of the comments featuring the aforementioned insults. Are you really going to deny that when it's right in front of you? Obviously not everyone's dislike of the character is racially motivated, but Candice/Iris did receive backlash because she's black and Iris West in the comics is white.




And thanx Slade W.
 
Why are you getting defensive? It was tongue in cheek, because I can't really justify fully why I dislike her and went through all the common 'reasons' usually thrown around.

I was left with your 'just because' because that's all I have :D

And personally, I truly don't care what is said elsewhere. Before you misinterpret that - I don't mean nothing else is said, I mean I just don't care about it.
 
Why are you getting defensive? It was tongue in cheek, because I can't really justify fully why I dislike her and went through all the common 'reasons' usually thrown around.

I was left with your 'just because' because that's all I have :D

And personally, I truly don't care what is said elsewhere. Before you misinterpret that - I don't mean nothing else is said, I mean I just don't care about it.

Okay then, my bad. I thought you were being sarcastic.
 
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