The Flash The Iris West/Candice Patton Thread

[Hunter Rider]

 

[Eni]

you like she as Iris?

She's alright, didn't like her at first, but I got used to her by now. You can see that the writers have started to try at least with Iris on the show, but I still wish they would do more with her, make her more interesting. Still don't see any chemistry between her and Grant, though, other than a platonic one.

 

[Eni]

I honesty prefer Danielle Panabaker, she's have a better chemistry with Grant

I honestly don't enjoy Danielle's part in Flash much more than Candice's, it is simply because I don't find her character in the show very appealing, but I agree that she does have more chemistry with Barry.

 

[DrCosmic]

West/Allen
http://irisandtheflash.tumblr.com

I see why people love tumblr so much. That's a lot of feels to cram together at once.

And Candice is gorgeous.

I'm glad the writers have decided not to make her the most horrible person on the planet any more. Perhaps eventually they'll figure out how awesome she can be.

 

[Batsfan1]

I see why people love tumblr so much. That's a lot of feels to cram together at once.

And Candice is gorgeous.

I'm glad the writers have decided not to make her the most horrible person on the planet any more.

She was never that on the show. Have a very great day!

God bless you all!

 

[Bforbrigitta]

In the latest episode, I really liked that Iris addressed feeling useless in Team Flash. I hope it's another step forward into creating a role for her that isn't just plot device/love interest/pep talker. It's possibly a reflection on the criticism that the writers have received about Iris never being treated like a fully fleshed out character on the show, and this *could* lead to better things for her. I do like her as a part of Team Flash, so maybe having her contribute through her work by reporting on the kind of impact The Flash and metahumans are having on public perception and, like someone has mentioned here, the law. Or even just specific to cases/arcs that The Flash is working on every week. Right now, most things would be a better alternative to her hanging around Star Labs drinking coffee.

 

[zenith16]

In the latest episode, I really liked that Iris addressed feeling useless in Team Flash. I hope it's another step forward into creating a role for her that isn't just plot device/love interest/pep talker. It's possibly a reflection on the criticism that the writers have received about Iris never being treated like a fully fleshed out character on the show, and this *could* lead to better things for her. I do like her as a part of Team Flash, so maybe having her contribute through her work by reporting on the kind of impact The Flash and metahumans are having on public perception and, like someone has mentioned here, the law. Or even just specific to cases/arcs that The Flash is working on every week. Right now, most things would be a better alternative to her hanging around Star Labs drinking coffee.

with Cisco (hopefully he still creates gadget's and gear)and Caitlin ( if she get past her problems with her powers and makher think she's evil when it's all in her head, I want her to create this >> Center for Paranormal Studies <<:that's a link there, as part of star labe to help those other meta's that aren't Evil or just need help. They created them so they should take responsibility.) getting powers and getting newer roles.

it's likely Iris'll take up the role as his mission control and like what felicity doing for team arrow currently . and with her as in investigative reporter skills it'll be like what Lana Lang in small ville started and then cloe took over from helping barry's investigation's from there in the starlab's mission control room.

hey he said he does and need her and that's the best role for her. when she's not out being a reporter.

 

[Avenging Angel]

Her and Felicity have that annoying level but at least Felicity has the development to draw on, Iris has hardly anything. We're told more than shown with her.

I'm glad the writers finally became self aware and had her finally confess how useless she is in that scene with Barry. Then the eh moment came when Barry said "there is no Flash without you." Wasn't he wearing the suit before she started writing about him? This character...

 

[zenith16]

Her and Felicity have that annoying level but at least Felicity has the development to draw on, Iris has hardly anything. We're told more than shown with her.

I'm glad the writers finally became self aware and had her finally confess how useless she is in that scene with Barry. Then the eh moment came when Barry said "there is no Flash without you." Wasn't he wearing the suit before she started writing about him? This character...

yes he did but the reason I'm saying even though he's starting to do thing on his own which is good he'll always have her in his ear. while the other have move on to be more helpful in the field and doing other thing in general to keep him busy . he really doesn't need that many people in his earcomm . and I think making her more tech savy would work only in the sense that he see her as his support as well as his lover . and it'll be a better development to start with for her.

I don't want her doing pep talks every episode to her man Barry . but seeing that he see's her as his supporting rock in his relationship and in his life it makes sense in a way.

And it'll give her something to do cisco should be the gadgets and gear guy when he's not in the field with barry and caitlin should start that center / school for those that were effected by the particle accelerator explosion for those effected that just want to control their powers and not harm anyone but live normal, even if they have powers or for those that seem to have picked up negative side effect's from their mutation's like that teen jock that was ageing from using his super human strength.

And for others that ether want to be heroes or see if there are any other use's study wise that meta human can be helpful to soeity. like what being in the anime A simple magical index wth the mutants of the series


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[Bforbrigitta]

I'm glad the writers finally became self aware and had her finally confess how useless she is in that scene with Barry. Then the eh moment came when Barry said "there is no Flash without you." Wasn't he wearing the suit before she started writing about him? This character...

Yeah, the implication that Iris' only mentionable purpose in the team being just Barry's emotional crutch/morale booster is frankly a little condescending. Girl has a life and a job (that she's apparently really good at!!). I really like the foundation of this Iris' character and really like the way Candice Patton portrays her, and I feel that the writers owe her character better personal development external to the men in her life. The way Caitlin is having her Killer Frost storyline this season, I hope Iris gets her own compelling personal arc somewhere down the line.

 

[zenith16]

Yeah, the implication that Iris' only mentionable purpose in the team is just being Barry's emotional crutch/morale booster is frankly a little condescending. Girl has a life and a job (that she's apparently really good at!!). I really like the foundation of this Iris' character and really like the way Candice Patton portrays her, and I feel that the writers owe her character better personal development external to the men in her life. The way Caitlin is having her Killer Frost storyline this season, I hope Iris gets her own interesting personal arc somewhere down the line.

thinking about what I said two days ago from today . I was thinking about her being more useful to the team if and when the others branch out and won't be in the labs mission control room any more more active in other places in general.

and I was also thinking this would add more to her investigative reporter role and have act like the old school version of lois lane. where she's get in trouble haveing to be rescued by Barry too oafter after oner her reporter asignments. she would able to get into place's that Barry might not as a csi and a more active role on the team as their mission control .

this way she doesn't have to be in the field with them during major battle. But she's still overly helpful. I don't want herb there as barrys emotional crutch ether or for pep talks. but I think she can contribute as an investigative reporter and their personal mission control .

and more importantly we won't have hear the complaints about her becoming super hero from some of the fan base. she'd be part of the team in a sense but not a costumed hero. and we don't want her to have to be rescued constantly , which would another weird issue from the fan base.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Not bad ideas zenith. In Rebirth, Barry as a teacher/trainer was a really cool change of pace for the character. And the supporting characters that came from that were really good. So I wouldn't mind some of that bleeding over into the show.

Instead of waiting for Metahumans to go bad to then catch them and lock them up Flash and friends take the initiative and search them out to train them and help them adjust. It's a little X-Men-y but that's not a bad thing.

Iris using her job and skill set to track the metas down would definitely give her something vital and sympathetic to do.

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[zenith16]

Not bad ideas zenith. In Rebirth, Barry as a teacher/trainer was a really cool change of pace for the character. And the supporting characters that came from that were really good. So I wouldn't mind some of that bleeding over into the show.

thank you. I also have the issue of the titans when wally arsenal Diana and night wing decided to have the titan's have hero funding drive train the lesser experienced teen heroes since the titans them self were in their mid to late 20's with a mentor program and the older heroes like barry were just plain too busy . so the titan's were in charge of that and Roy tried have supergirl rejoin join the senor titan's in teaching those kids while wally had nightwing pick up Jessie quick( the latter of which who was lawyer in the books) for the same idea .


I know Goff john's still want's to have the titan's on tv also and there a lot of paths this can take .

Instead of waiting for Metahumans to go bad to then catch them and lock them up Flash and friends take the initiative and search them out to train them and help them adjust. It's a little X-Men-y but that's not a bad thing.

well like while x-men started it all dc fallowed it in the their books as well even if it was short lived . and other places have been looking x-men and adding really cool idea's that the writers of the books of marvel should have thought about like what they use a power with and what it would do research wise and more. so it is indeed a good idea to explore as an extension of star labs for this live action show.

Iris using her job and skill set to track the metas down would definitely give her something vital and sympathetic to do.

yep it'll give some extra to do and she can help the team. and she can integrate into her day job with out it effect her job as investigative reporter.

 

[Avenging Angel]

zenith, I respect what you say. I feel like this show will do what it wants eventually even if we don't get an Iris with a purpose. I am tired of her being some kind of Jiminy Cricket on Barry's shoulder, that's also to say that Barry is always needing a pep talk and can't solve anything by him. It's boring and keeps him stagnant. One of the traits I dislike about his character.

Iris is nowhere near someone who's supposed to be on Barry's side. It was Barry's decision to quit his job over Caitlin being found out by Patterson through Albert. Iris was about to talk him out of it in that scene. Something about that scene irked me. Iris didn't sound like she was trying to understand why he did it. I just think she has a long way to improve as a character. To be honest, I find actress who plays Vixen in Legends of Tomorrow more stunning. Something about her moxy that makes her great to watch. I'm bored when I watch Patton on screen, it just doesn't feel authentic to me. It doesn't help that the writers are keeping the character so thin and attached to being the "love interest" she wears it as a label now, when she's not standing around looking glum.

 

[zenith16]

zenith, I respect what you say. I feel like this show will do what it wants eventually even if we don't get an Iris with a purpose. I am tired of her being some kind of Jiminy Cricket on Barry's shoulder, that's also to say that Barry is always needing a pep talk and can't solve anything by him. It's boring and keeps him stagnant. One of the traits I dislike about his character.

Iris is nowhere near someone who's supposed to be on Barry's side. It was Barry's decision to quit his job over Caitlin being found out by Patterson through Albert. Iris was about to talk him out of it in that scene. Something about that scene irked me. Iris didn't sound like she was trying to understand why he did it. I just think she has a long way to improve as a character. To be honest, I find actress who plays Vixen in Legends of Tomorrow more stunning. Something about her moxy that makes her great to watch. I'm bored when I watch Patton on screen, it just doesn't feel authentic to me. It doesn't help that the writers are keeping the character so thin and attached to being the "love interest" she wears it as a label now, when she's not standing around looking glum.

I under stand. As I said though I don't her doing pep talks .

but she said she wanted to be of more help to the team . so that what was thinking I was brain storming and that was the only way it made sense for her self as investigative reporter skillset wise and to be helpful to the team skill set wise all at once .


Cause I don't see her being cop like Joe or her earth 2 self. and I don't want to see as a costumed hero cause oh the complaints from fan base . but the truth is it's not good for every barry knows and loves to become that ether.

I just feel she'll be useful there that way. But if you disagree it's fine but it seem the writers will have weirdly limited options . case as in investigative reporter she be linked to him in this show regardless. but she does needs to find something for her self. but she stated she wanted to be helpful to them too . so I was trying to find a way to make it work .

But barry really needs to man up. He doesn't need those pep talks and I'm happy he's started thinking for him self more . I don't want Barry to fall back to elf doubt that needs that of all things.

I wantthem both to find their way in this live action series

 

[Bforbrigitta]

Iris is nowhere near someone who's supposed to be on Barry's side. It was Barry's decision to quit his job over Caitlin being found out by Patterson through Albert. Iris was about to talk him out of it in that scene. Something about that scene irked me. Iris didn't sound like she was trying to understand why he did it. I just think she has a long way to improve as a character. To be honest, I find actress who plays Vixen in Legends of Tomorrow more stunning. Something about her moxy that makes her great to watch. I'm bored when I watch Patton on screen, it just doesn't feel authentic to me. It doesn't help that the writers are keeping the character so thin and attached to being the "love interest" she wears it as a label now, when she's not standing around looking glum.

Honestly, I think it's the way her character is written (and where she's marked to stand on set, her placement is bizarre). I'd have to disagree with you about Patton herself, there have been a few moments where her oomph as an actor has really shone through but the moments are few and far between. She's yet to have a scene where she's really required to show range; so far the pep talk scenes are the ones that have had to bear the most weight for her character, which is repetitive and disappointing to say the least.

I wonder how Patton herself feels about all of this. I know that she's mentioned several times that she'd like her character to do more reporting, though lately it seems as though Iris doesn't even have a job anymore.

 

[Slade W]

In season 1, I really wanted her find out that Barry was the Flash through her investigative skills. The way she found out was silly IMO.

 

[Avenging Angel]

I think she needs to get skills to use them.

 

[Bforbrigitta]

I think she needs to get skills to use them.

Haha harsh. But that's the thing though!!!! Even in the TV version, she's apparently supposed to be really good at her job. But with the writers I suppose it's more of a tell-not-show thing.

 

[Primal Slayer]

They really do need to let Iris be her own person outside of girlfriend/daughter. Thats all she is serving at the moment. Supergirl has managed to introduce Maggie and let her use her job/skills and she is only a recurring character, Iris is the female lead. She should be out there getting the story on these metas.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

They really do need to let Iris be her own person outside of girlfriend/daughter. Thats all she is serving at the moment. Supergirl has managed to introduce Maggie and let her use her job/skills and she is only a recurring character, Iris is the female lead. She should be out there getting the story on these metas.

I feel like the problem is that the writers know how to write "cop" easier than "journalist." Which, as a journalist myself, I can say is disappointing yet somewhat understandable. I mean, how often do we see James Olsen in Supergirl actually do something journalistic? Not much. They typically leave that to Cat and almost nobody else.

 

[Primal Slayer]

It isn't to far off from a cop. We've seen Maggie go and investigate, thats exactly what Iris and James should be doing.

 

[zenith16]

Haha harsh. But that's the thing though!!!! Even in the TV version, she's apparently supposed to be really good at her job. But with the writers I suppose it's more of a tell-not-show thing.

very good point land let not for get to point the mistake both arrow and falsh made when they had felicity come of and in stead of asking barry who's a Csi and should know about DNA when they were looking for sara lance's killer they made her ask Caitlin instead who she just met and is a biologist not a geneticist.


we didn't Barry do too much CSI work in cis cause they making deal with his problem as the flash Cisco took most of the cis work where they found out about reverse flash in season and 2 he was mostly useless with the exception of super where we fianlly saw how smart barry should where he was creating gadgets with Wynn and he created meta human holding for national city. before all that Barry really didn't live up to them calling the smartest person they knew as scientist and it was like watch the sam Rami's spider movies where were boating but there wasn't evidence of how smart peter parker sadly. And Barrys cis work was minimal sadly and Cisco cis guy where joe call upon for that work alot. this was what was disappointing.

They really do need to let Iris be her own person outside of girlfriend/daughter. Thats all she is serving at the moment. Supergirl has managed to introduce Maggie and let her use her job/skills and she is only a recurring character, Iris is the female lead. She should be out there getting the story on these metas.

I feel like the problem is that the writers know how to write "cop" easier than "journalist." Which, as a journalist myself, I can say is disappointing yet somewhat understandable. I mean, how often do we see James Olsen in Supergirl actually do something journalistic? Not much. They typically leave that to Cat and almost nobody else.

It isn't to far off from a cop. We've seen Maggie go and investigate, that's exactly what Iris and James should be doing.

actually jedi and primal the real problem here and I said this on arrow section when the whole who killed sara mystery plot went down. both of you were there for that. is the writers don't know how to do mystery's. And for the most part the writers on arrow are the worst on it.

But this really is the problem. beside that is when we're talking about investigation. the issue for the show writers is both approach and mystery set up. and I remember stating that more then once especially in the arrow section of the forum is what they need are two things a script doctor in the capacity of Rayn fuller who was the real brain behind the show heroes I wich knew the person for 4400 . And the other where talking about investigation or espionage (the spy world ) they should have had and former worker in that field of ether profession as an advisor that used to be in those worlds.

kind like what the shows Alias (which still had it version of humore) 24. and Brun Notice all show with lower budgets.


I was bothered that they had oliver(who show lacking ether in investigation or real spy work tactic just running around the city when sara died and felicity didn't have a real specificity of a specialty have that arrow DNA checked properly cause she her self wasn't specialist. she's freaking hacker and it took so long for her to get it to barry & star labs and even when she went there she still didn't give to the right person Barry with the background for it.

what happen when oliver has to face serial killer like those in criminal minds they the city is really screwed.


the problem here is approach and knowing who does what. and that's the problem for both iris and james here.

well more so iris .she was made into an investigative reporter from the jump.

James sadly wasn't thought out for anything past being love interest for kara. which I already sorta stated my piece in the super girl section of the forum is james problem overall no direction past that and they trying to throw anything works at the wall for him and it's failing cause they doing rush job with it.

those are the issue.

you want iris to do investigation right the writer have to know how to aproach and there are enough other detect show and books and getting acess to people as advisor they an try but don't .

also oliver can use investigative training him self. lol he's just lucky the writer never decided to have face of against seral killers often. while some might the serie would benifit from that the fact that oliver is lacking inthat skill onthe show would spell further doom for star city. cause he wouldn't know how to even approach/ deal them , with out that back ground. And seeing how bad star city police force is, he'd have seek that else where . Oliver better not ask them . find former FBI agent or private investigator that's actually good and not from that city.

And James really needs that skill as well . Wynn shouldn't be doing all that for him. lazy bones james