Iron Man 3 The IRON MAN 3 News & Speculation Thread - - - - - Part 14

[kaijunexus]

So, what ever happened with those hints about the twist from a few people about the [BLACKOUT]Mandarin being a "collector" and "collecting things"[/BLACKOUT]?

Does that still have some relevance?

 

[DN91]

Do they reference Captain America when addressing War Machine's new star-spangled colors as the Iron Patriot?

 

[RaZaTrOn]

Well basically...

Spoiler

I dont think it's implying he's giving up Iron Man. Those 42 suits that he built are symbolic of an unhealthy mind. He created them all in a feverish, weak mental state. By destroying them or as he calls it 'Operation Clean Slate' and then also having the arc reactor removed, he's taking away his dependence on the suits and the obsessive need he's had through all three films to be the one to solve the problem. Also, it's for Pepper. Pepper who has accepted his role as Iron Man but NOT his obsessive nature that's harmful to himself and her. Blowing up the suits in front of her is him putting his money where his mouth is and symbolically saying 'I'll put you first'.

It's clear enough though that from him picking up a screwdriver in the wreckage of LA, looking knowingly down at his hall of armours and then the last cheeky shot of him taking the robot arm in a trailer, that he hasn't given up on being Iron Man, not by a long shot. This is then confirmed when he has his final line 'I AM Iron Man'

So I don't think it's about him giving up Iron Man. I think people are taking that arc reactor removal too literally. I mean, he doesn't need the reactor for the suit, that's just him getting rid of his old baggage and finally moving on. It's the final step in him growing as a person that we've seen through all his film appearances. Because as Captain America says, he HAD never made the sacrifice play... IM 3 shows him growing up as a result of it. He doesn't NEED to be a hero now, he simply knows he is one.

Couldn't have said it better myself, I completely agree with you! I don't really understand the people saying it means it's the end, the scene reads the complete opposite!

 

[BatsDC]

Do they reference Captain America when addressing War Machine's new star-spangled colors as the Iron Patriot?

Spoiler

If I recall correctly, I don't think so. He's repainted to look less threatening, I don't think Cap's mentioned.

 

[BatsDC]

So, is the Space Suit scene false?

I'd rather have that than this Banner scene...

GOTG tease > Hulk stuff

Spoiler

Unless it's added in the American release, then yes, it's false. The Gemini armour's in the film for like 30 seconds, tops.

 

[Sharkboy]

The end credits scene, the lack of real references to the avengers and other elements are somewhat refreshing in my eyes. This is really a self contained film and honestly it's all the better for it.

 

[DN91]

One more question...

considering that AIM is involved, are there any easter eggs/hints that refer to MODOK or something similar?

 

[kaijunexus]

One more question...

considering that AIM is involved, are there any easter eggs/hints that refer to MODOK or something similar?

Oooh...and to add to this question...

Do we find out what becomes of AIM by the end of the film? Is it still up and running [BLACKOUT]without Killian[/BLACKOUT]?

 

[GRangerPrimeNYC]

Meh, I was hoping the after credits scenes would continue to being something that gives more insight on things to come.

To date, the worse one was the one attached to CATFA, which was literally just the teaser trailer to The Avengers.

The Shawarma one with The Avengers is fine, since it's the end of a Phase and we got a relevant Mid Credits scene.

Here's hoping IM3 has a Mid-Credits scene at the last minute, since the after credits scene doesn't seem to add anything to the grand scheme of things.

 

[BatsDC]

Oooh...and to add to this question...

Do we find out what becomes of AIM by the end of the film? Is it still up and running [BLACKOUT]without Killian[/BLACKOUT]?

Spoiler

No hints to MODOK that I saw.

It's not made clear, although I'd assume it is still running... Then again, we don't ever see a big AIM HQ that I recall anyway, so there's no real way of knowing, although I imagine there's more than just the area where Extremis soldiers were made. I'd imagine it's still operating.

 

[Waldini]

I've seen the movie ... currently typing a spoiler-ish review in the thread made for it. Feel free to ask questions

 

[kaijunexus]

Spoiler

No hints to MODOK that I saw.

It's not made clear, although I'd assume it is still running... Then again, we don't ever see a big AIM HQ that I recall anyway, so there's no real way of knowing, although I imagine there's more than just the area where Extremis soldiers were made. I'd imagine it's still operating.

 

[DN91]

Given what happens to Tony in the film...

would a stinger involving the Guardians of the Galaxy make any sort of sense, especially with the fact that any mention of space still apparently scares him?

 

[Waldini]

Given what happens to Tony in the film...

would a stinger involving the Guardians of the Galaxy make any sort of sense, especially with the fact that any mention of space still apparently scares him?

Spoiler

Tony is traumatised by the events that happened in The Avengers. Several scenes in the film feature this. However, there's no mention ( nor scene ) with the Guardians of the Galaxy. Was kind of disappointed by it ...

 

[BatsDC]

Given what happens to Tony in the film...

would a stinger involving the Guardians of the Galaxy make any sort of sense, especially with the fact that any mention of space still apparently scares him?

Spoiler

No at all. Firsty, he's still traumatised by his brief vist to space... Plus he also blows up the Gemini suit, so the possibility is completely thrown out the window at this point.

 

[Sharkboy]

Meh, I was hoping the after credits scenes would continue to being something that gives more insight on things to come.

To date, the worse one was the one attached to CATFA, which was literally just the teaser trailer to The Avengers.

The Shawarma one with The Avengers is fine, since it's the end of a Phase and we got a relevant Mid Credits scene.

Here's hoping IM3 has a Mid-Credits scene at the last minute, since the after credits scene doesn't seem to add anything to the grand scheme of things.

It's really not that kind of film, it would feel horribly out of place. The after credits scene actually makes perfect sense with the film itself. Anything added before or after that just ruins it. Neither Thor nor Cap movies need to build to the Avengers 2 either, Just have whatever build you need in GOTG (but not too much so it devolves into a big avengers prequel)

 

[Waldini]

Spoiler

No at all. Firsty, he's still traumatised by his brief vist to space... Plus he also blows up the Gemini suit, so the possibility is completely thrown out the window at this point.

Spoiler

Indeed. Was a shame that "rumored" GOTG scene was just a rumor. They could've done more with it. However, the Banner cameo at the very end fits better IMO.

 

[Xeno]

Pretty sure it is the other way around.

In terms of propositional logic, my statement is correct.

All x are y -- the rule
One x is not y -- the exception
Therefore, all x are not y -- the rule is disproved

 

[DN91]

It's really not that kind of film, it would feel horribly out of place. The after credits scene actually makes perfect sense with the film itself. Anything added before or after that just ruins it. Neither Thor nor Cap movies need to build to the Avengers 2 either, Just have whatever build you need in GOTG (but not too much so it devolves into a big avengers prequel)

Personally, I wouldn't be against a stinger that builds on a future Cap sequel in "The Winter Soldier", but only if it sets up that Cap sequel and not Avengers II.

 

[Sharkboy]

Personally, I wouldn't be against a stinger that builds on a future Cap sequel in "The Winter Soldier", but only if it sets up that Cap sequel and not Avengers II.

Yeah something like that would be fine, but like i said...it really wouldn't fit in IM3, that film is so completely locked down in it's own world it's kinda scary how much power Feige gave Black. The only reason phase one hinted at the other films was just to promote these two new franchises, but now everyone knows them...they don't really need it. I mean the Thor 2 trailer is already making waves without any need for a post credits scene from Iron Man this time.

 

[TeeKay]

Did anyone else read this?:

"Originally Posted by MichaelChen
Killiandarin karate-chops armors in half like comic Mandarin.(albeit because of extremis amped strength rather than chi amped strength)

Killiandarin is a mad scientist like comic Mandarin.

Killiandarin has a dragon tattoo like comic Mandarin.

Killiandarin is obsessed with achieving perfection of mind and body like comic Mandarin.

He's got a crazy scheme of the sort Mandarin tends to have.

Killiandarin is actually pretty much comic Mandarin except for race.
You know...with it explained in this way, I'm actually much more satisfied with everything.

In fact, it appears that The Mandarin is truly portrayed in this film in full force...he's just split into two different people.

You have the "heart" of the Mandarin (all of the "Killiandarin" aspects you pointed out, minus the race and general history of the comic Mandarin) in Killian, and then you have the "face" of the Mandarin (robes, terrifying nature, iconography, general appearance) in Trevor the actor.



I think I may be swaying from on-the-fence in regards to this twist and how the Mandarin was handled over to actually really liking it...and I haven't even seen the movie yet! lol


EDIT: In fact, I would bet that fans would be a lot more accepting of all of this if Killian was just given a different name. I would imagine that people would be mostly okay with him not being of Asian descent, but I think fans are having a difficult time reconciling that they've combined the characters of Aldrich Killian and the Mandarin into one."

Pretty interesting

 

[DarthSkywalker]

In terms of propositional logic, my statement is correct.

All x are y -- the rule
One x is not y -- the exception
Therefore, all x are not y -- the rule is disproved

An exception shows that a rule is established in the first place. To be an exception, you have to be different from the rule.

Thus rule proceeds exception. You can't have an exception without a rule. Thus proof the rule exist.

 

[Waldini]

Did anyone else read this?:

"Originally Posted by MichaelChen
Killiandarin karate-chops armors in half like comic Mandarin.(albeit because of extremis amped strength rather than chi amped strength)

Killiandarin is a mad scientist like comic Mandarin.

Killiandarin has a dragon tattoo like comic Mandarin.

Killiandarin is obsessed with achieving perfection of mind and body like comic Mandarin.

He's got a crazy scheme of the sort Mandarin tends to have.

Killiandarin is actually pretty much comic Mandarin except for race.
You know...with it explained in this way, I'm actually much more satisfied with everything.

In fact, it appears that The Mandarin is truly portrayed in this film in full force...he's just split into two different people.

You have the "heart" of the Mandarin (all of the "Killiandarin" aspects you pointed out, minus the race and general history of the comic Mandarin) in Killian, and then you have the "face" of the Mandarin (robes, terrifying nature, iconography, general appearance) in Trevor the actor.



I think I may be swaying from on-the-fence in regards to this twist and how the Mandarin was handled over to actually really liking it...and I haven't even seen the movie yet! lol


EDIT: In fact, I would bet that fans would be a lot more accepting of all of this if Killian was just given a different name. I would imagine that people would be mostly okay with him not being of Asian descent, but I think fans are having a difficult time reconciling that they've combined the characters of Aldrich Killian and the Mandarin into one."

Pretty interesting

Might want to spoiler tag that though ...

But, yeah. I like it

 

[cherokeesam]

Might want to spoiler tag that though ...

But, yeah. I like it

Yeah, spoiler tag it....
But MichaelChen, gotta say that's a brilliant observation about Killian. Well done, sir

 

[The Ironstar]

I'm a little confused. Were people expecting more payoff at end credits? Was the movie too cartoonish?