The Israel Situation II

[MessiahDecoy123]

I think you're taking the "innocent life" mantra to an unrealistic level. Civilian casualties happen in war. There is no way around it. Does that make it acceptable? No. But, to demonize the IDF for their casualty count when it's part of Hamas' "guidebook" that civilians die for the "cause" is absurd. Hamas ' victims aren't Israeli, they're Palestinian.

I understand when there's 10% or 20% civilian deaths.

But 70%???

Shouldn't that raise a red flag?

At what point is the medicine worse than the disease?

 

[Feenix]

If Hamas' victims are Palestinian, why does Israel respond by killing quite so many Palestinians?

I was saying that Hamas' victims are Palestinians because Hamas puts them in harm's way to get killed by the IDF. The IDF warns the civilians that an attack is coming and Hamas refuses to let them leave.

Hamas is firing rockets from beside and inside schools and hospitals for goodness sake.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I was saying that Hamas' victims are Palestinians because Hamas puts them in harm's way to get killed by the IDF. The IDF warns the civilians that an attack is coming and Hamas refuses to let them leave.

and then IDF kills everyone.

Mostly innocent men, women and children.

 

[Feenix]

and then IDF kills everyone.

Mostly innocent men, women and children.

Exaggerate much? Jesus.

Sensationalism at its finest.

 

[regwec]

Sure, but if we agree that Hamas' victims are first and foremost its own people, could we begin to question whether Israeli military operations are a part of the problem rather than a solution? Doesn't this reflect the issue of proportionality we were discussing?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Exaggerate much? Jesus.

Sensationalism at its finest.

They kill Hamas and the civilians around them. That would be what I mean by everyone.

It doesn't matter if the civilians want to leave but can't.

The IDF kills them all regardless.

 

[Feenix]

Sure, but if we agree that Hamas' victims are first and foremost its own people, could we begin to question whether Israeli military operations are a part of the problem rather than a solution? Doesn't this reflect the issue of proportionality we were discussing?

Absolutely. The Israeli plan of attack clearly isn't working (for them. I'm sure Hamas is thrilled by it). They're the shoe to Hamas' ant and there are a lot of ants. I'm not defending the casualty count (it's too high), but I don't think demonizing Israel for it is altogether fair. Hamas is just as culpable. The thing that really bothers me is that Hamas is baiting Israel and they're taking the bait and lives are being lost because of it. I think that hatred has clouded judgement and the Israelis need to take a step back and think of another way to end the war, because what they're currently doing is only benefiting Hamas.

 

[Victarion]

The Iron Dome should allow Israel to simply shoot down whatever Hamas throws at them without striking the houses etc Hamas has seized? Like intercept their projectiles in flight?

 

[Kelly]

The Iron Dome should allow Israel to simply shoot down whatever Hamas throws at them without striking the houses etc Hamas has seized? Like intercept their projectiles in flight?

Until it doesn't?

And what about the tunnels? Are they to simply allow those to continue to be used and built?

What you are saying is a very simplified view of what is happening.

I understand people's shock at the amount of casualties, but to say, because Hamas is placing their launchers in homes, hospitals, playgrounds, schools, Israel just has to sit back and HOPE that the technology they have continues, they don't run out of ammunition themselves, and hope that no more tunnels are built. Which is pretty much what we are saying because Hamas is not going to change their tactics, they are working quite well for them. So, because Hamas could care less about the 100's now 1,000s of innocent people are killed because of where THEY ARE PLACED, Israel has to care for those people while trying to protect their own. Turn the other cheek?

It is just a terrible situation with no easy solution.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I do question why the US needs to fund the Iron Dome. It's not like Israel is strapped for cash.

Usually, when you give a country three billion dollars, it's because it gets you something. I don't see that here.

What would happen if America used that money to build hospitals and power stations in Gaza?

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Ceasefire broken. Hamas has fired rockets on Israel. The war will undoubtedly resume now.

Between this and authorized US airstrikes in Iraq, this is turning into a crazy night.

 

[Kelly]

I do question why the US needs to fund the Iron Dome. It's not like Israel is strapped for cash.

Usually, when you give a country three billion dollars, it's because it gets you something. I don't see that here.

What would happen if America used that money to build hospitals and power stations in Gaza?

Great Britain should....it was the damn British Mandate before 1947....

 

[kane9321]

Ceasefire broken. Hamas has fired rockets on Israel. The war will undoubtedly resume now.

Between this and authorized US airstrikes in Iraq, this is turning into a crazy night.

well....WE KNEW IT WASNT GONNA LAST

if there are more rockets going into Israel within the next hr or so

ISRAEL SHOULD FINISH HAMAS ONCE AND FOR ALL...IM SICK OF BOTH SIDES TO BE HONEST

 

[Thundercrack85]

Wiping out Hamas is impossible.

 

[regwec]

Great Britain should....it was the damn British Mandate before 1947....

We can't afford it, and it would be politically impossible, as both support and opposition to Israel runs equally strongly here.

 

[regwec]

Wiping out Hamas is impossible.

Hamas could be wiped out, but not by Israel. Hamas is like a fungi that grows on resentment and anger towards Israel; it would be founded again even if its personnel were all killed.

 

[DA_Champion]

Unfortunately, it's hard to see any remotely pleasant plausible solution to this mess. I honestly can't think of any.

 

[Sexy Magician]

Hamas are not universally accepted as terrorists, and there is no actual proof they refuse to let Palestinians leave areas under attack, and absolutely no proof in the absolutely ridiculous claim they use children as human shields. I think the time is coming when people are gonna realise that Israel are the real terrorists, I'm not anti semitic nor pro Palestine. I just like the truth.

 

[regwec]

Since you are resident in Manchester and have an awesome name, do you happen to know whether the protest group is still stationed on King Street? I was there a few weeks ago, and things seemed quite heated.

 

[Sexy Magician]

Since you are resident in Manchester and have an awesome name, do you happen to know whether the protest group is still stationed on King Street? I was there a few weeks ago, and things seemed quite heated.

Im not entirely sure if they are, I will be passing there later today so will let you know, I was actually there last weekend, I wasn't protesting, I was passing by and hung around for ten minutes, it got REALLY heated!

 

[DeadPresident]

Hamas are not universally accepted as terrorists, and there is no actual proof they refuse to let Palestinians leave areas under attack, and absolutely no proof in the absolutely ridiculous claim they use children as human shields. I think the time is coming when people are gonna realise that Israel are the real terrorists, I'm not anti semitic nor pro Palestine. I just like the truth.

 

[Schlosser85]

Somehow by your post I don't think the truth is something you're well-acquainted with.

 

[Sexy Magician]

Somehow by your post I don't think the truth is something you're well-acquainted with.

Please inform me, what is the 'truth'?

 

[Feenix]

Please inform me, what is the 'truth'?

Right. Hamas states that they use human shields and they actually have a guidebook on how to use them properly, but you call the claim ridiculous.

Don't worry Hamas, I don't believe you when you say you use human shields. You're just misunderstood.



Also, Hamas is designated as a terrorist organization by Israel, the US, the UK, Canada, the EU, Jordan, Egypt, and Japan. I trust their definition.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

At what point will the IDF be considered war criminals?

Or are all the innocent people they killed considered guilty by association?