Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[HBarnill]

Fincher, Kubrick, Scorsese. All Phillips’ doing is aping styles instead of finding his own voice.

 

[Arachnerd]

They've never been shy to admit how King Of Comedy was an inspiration for this movie. Also taking inspiration from other directors isn't necessarily a bad thing. But hey, you apparently have a problem with the "incel" thing, and from your previous posts it seems like you've made up your mind about the movie already without seeing it.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Fincher, Kubrick, Scorsese. All Phillips’ doing is aping styles instead of finding his own voice.

You would've said the same thing after watching Boogie Nights, bald man, that is still a great flick.

 

[Hollis Mason]

Fincher, Kubrick, Scorsese. All Phillips’ doing is aping styles instead of finding his own voice.

Inspiration and aping are different things. And from what the reviews say, the directing and cinematography is incredible. If taking inspiration from Kubrick and Scorsese was aping, then 90% of directors today would be terrible. Those two changed cinema.

 

[samsnee]

lol

Didn't Lord Feige jump on the civil war train after BvS was announced? Nah, right.

This is one of your dumbest posts and you post a lot of dumb things.

 

[samsnee]

Fincher, Kubrick, Scorsese. All Phillips’ doing is aping styles instead of finding his own voice.

Agreed. This movie is basically ripping off the plot of The King of Comedy.

 

[Black Narcissus]

This is one of your dumbest posts and you post a lot of dumb things.

Sure...

And this ain't a diss for Feige, it is a smart movie to take what your competitor is doing and try to make it better. But to act like he is above all of this is absurd to me and my original comment, as he is some kind of nerd deity around these parts. lol

A good WW film, laid the foundation to fast track Captain Marvel and so forth, it be dumb to not do it. If Marvel had the rights back to their Fishguy, we've be seeing movement on that. It makes sense.








Batman V Superman Actually Helped Marvel Realize Civil War Was The Right Call





2016 has six superhero movies sprinkled throughout, but the two biggest ones are without a doubt DC’s Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and Marvel’s Captain America: Civil War. The former opened last month and laid a lot of groundwork for the rest of the DC Extended Universe, while the latter comes out next month and will see the MCU heroes dealing with legislation regulating enhanced beings. There’s a lot of back and forth online about which movie is going to “beat” the other, but in a welcome moment away from the rivalry, it turns out that Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice helped Marvel realize that making Captain America: Civil War was the right decision.

While going over how audience viewing tastes, especially towards superhero movie have changed, Captain America: Civil War directors Joe and Anthony Russo told The Hollywood Reporter that after Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice was announced, it pushed the studio to realizing the third Captain America installment’s story needed to become a reality.

Our pitch to them was: People will tell you they love chocolate ice cream — until you give it to them five days a week. It’s time to give them some rainbow sherbert. [Kevin Feige] said he thought we might be right. And after they announced Batman v. Superman, he said, ‘you guys are absolutely right.’ We needed to do something challenging with the material or we were going to start to lose the audience.

 

[dhandler01]

This worries me, too:

Why?

Better question...why is what that person is describing bad? They seem to imply that the backdrop matters more than the story. Popular icons are often used to deal with much deeper issues. Hell Star Trek has made it a cottage industry. If Joker had a different name and same story would it somehow be better? That is ludicrous.

 

[Hollis Mason]

Agreed. This movie is basically ripping off the plot of The King of Comedy.

If you think taking inspiration from other movies is a bad thing you should really start to watch other movies besides cbm. Every classic takes inspiration or a plot point from other classic. That's how art works. Let's not act like it's something horrible that Phillips somehow invented because it looks ridiculous.

 

[dhandler01]

Agreed. This movie is basically ripping off the plot of The King of Comedy.

How so?

 

[Black Narcissus]

How so?

He saw the trailer, but not seen the movie. It makes sense.



Hell, I've read the script for this and that is pretty much in the garbage after Phillips changed most of it now.

 

[dhandler01]

But I already see the naysayers coming in. I feel like it's going to be another one of those "it was good until it wasn't anymore" type of reviewed films.

What naysayers...in the past 3 hours 3 new reviews have come in and the fresh percentage on RT went from 85 to 86%. It has a grand total of 4 negative reviews on that site. The trades have all loved it, the nerd sites seem to be drooling over it and the audience in Venice obviously dug it. Dont take the Twitter Nazis as indicative of anything...

This is not early fan reviews or nerd bloggers getting bribed with special showings...this is press and fans at a pretty big film festival. Pet Semetary never was thought to be worthy of any praise like thaat and the early reviews were pretty much known to be outliers and that the film was gonna crash and burn. Outside of the Twitter Nazis no one has thought that about this film for months.

 

[Hollis Mason]

Also, let's not forget the fact this movie has a 9.26/10 AR. Higher than any other Venice movie at the moment. And 8.33/10 in Top Critics. That's pretty insane.

 

[dhandler01]

He saw the trailer, but not seen the movie. It makes sense.



Hell, I've read the script for this and that is pretty much in the garbage after Phillips changed most of it now.

I mean I would understand if he said they aped the plot of Taxi Driver...that seems more likely. From what I know of the King of Comedy this film sounds quite different.

I dunno some around here look to be deliberately trying to pee in the Corn Flakes. Methinks a small segment of the Hype was hoping for this to crash and burn and now that it appears highly unlikely they are just gonna keep trying to make it seem like things are going to go in the crapper.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Joaquin's lack of PR promotion in general is holding me back from being all in as him winning the Oscar. I just don't see him keeping up with that awards type of attitude all through out. Actors sorta need to be on a campaing trail of sorts at the end of the season. It would be hilarious if he does win and he shakes his head, like before.

 

[hellblazer103]

Joaquin's lack of PR promotion in general is holding me back from being all in as him winning the Oscar. I just don't see him keeping up with that awards type of attitude all through out. Actors sorta need to be on a campaing trail of sorts at the end of the season. It would be hilarious if he does win and he shakes his head, like before.

I mean... The last guy who won an Oscar for this role died long before even being nominated . Not much opportunity to campaign for anything there and he still pulled it off lol

 

[Boom]

Also, let's not forget the fact this movie has a 9.26/10 AR. Higher than any other Venice movie at the moment. And 8.33/10 in Top Critics. That's pretty insane.

I'm expecting those scores to drop quite a bit once the mainstream American critics get their hands on it. Anything north of 75% will be a victory in the end.

 

[Mysteryman]

Things look very good right now.
But, the Academy has a history of some pretty amazing snubs for some great performances. And the Oscars nominations are months away.
Just doing my best to keep my expectations in check.

 

[dhandler01]

I'm expecting those to drop quite a bit once the mainstream American critics get their hands on this. Anything north of 75% will be a victory in the end.

Why? The mainstreamers often just lift their opinions/reviews from those that came before them and when it comes to artsy festival stuff they are even worse about it. The hive mentality of jumping on the bandwagon is worse with lower budget festival flicks than it is with mainstream hollywood blockbusters. Sure some will "want to be different" and a few will manufacture ways to be outraged but if the numbers are high before the US Press gets to see it they will fall all over themselves to bask in the glow of being right.

You cant look at this through the lens of the usual CBM situation. Look at how reviewers deal with festival darlings and you will be able to better gauge what will happen.

Plus, it isnt like the reviews coming out arent mainstream. The trades loved it, The Guardian reviewed it, Forbes, Empire, Vanity Fair...all loving it. This isnt "Bob Reviews Movies in His Basement" these are as mainstream as it gets.

 

[Rod]

I'm kinda curious to what would T. Phillips do to a Bruce Wayne movie, taking on from the little kid and showing his journey through becoming who he was meant to be, as well. No big explosions, no batmobile blasting from underwater or anything, no 250m budget, just an intimate/in depth thing. His grief, angst, his questions and doubts over his own path and life, his meetings with all the different cultures - something exactly Joker or kinda Beasts of no Nation/Apocalypse Now in terms of narrative. Something really, very introspective. Perhaps, only last scene being him putting the cowl for first time or something like that.

I think Todd could pull it.He seems ot have the vision for character thingies.

 

[blackdragon6]

What naysayers...in the past 3 hours 3 new reviews have come in and the fresh percentage on RT went from 85 to 86%. It has a grand total of 4 negative reviews on that site. The trades have all loved it, the nerd sites seem to be drooling over it and the audience in Venice obviously dug it. Dont take the Twitter Nazis as indicative of anything...

This is not early fan reviews or nerd bloggers getting bribed with special showings...this is press and fans at a pretty big film festival. Pet Semetary never was thought to be worthy of any praise like thaat and the early reviews were pretty much known to be outliers and that the film was gonna crash and burn. Outside of the Twitter Nazis no one has thought that about this film for months.

I'm not for or against this film. I just know how misleading early reviews can be compared to reviews when the film gets a wider release. That's all. I've seen it before in other films like Birth of A Nation.

 

[Mysteryman]

I think Phillips just wanted to do a character study of The Joker. I doubt that he is going to explore the Batman mythos further, you never know, though.

 

[Micromind]

If the movie is good and has great performances in it, that speaks for itself, fans looking at review aggregate sites like RT, is just them wanting further validation, is that really needed ?

 

[OutOfBoose]

That sounds so hyperbolic its not even funny. Even if Joker somehow made a billion dollars Marvel is not going to suddenly start churning out R rated dark gritty drama character pieces starring Antman and Black Widow.

All this movie’s success will do is embolden DC to take more risks in doing more lower budget, eccentric films in the future which is GOOD thing, people. Sheesh.

The point is less about onslaught of artsy CBMs in case of Joker's BO success and more about their nature. Taking unique piece of work, taking it's style and inject iconic comic book characters there. It's about creative bankruptcy. I'm not talking specifically Joker, because I barely know anything about it and didn't even read the early draft.

 

[HBarnill]

Joaquin's lack of PR promotion in general is holding me back from being all in as him winning the Oscar. I just don't see him keeping up with that awards type of attitude all through out. Actors sorta need to be on a campaing trail of sorts at the end of the season. It would be hilarious if he does win and he shakes his head, like before.

Exactly. How do you think Bill Murray lost to Sean ****ing Penn? Or how Jim Carrey has yet to get a nom? They don’t do campaigning.