Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[Flash525]

Oh my God. A movie is a freakin' movie. What does "Goodfellas" provide? Or whatever? If it's great and you enjoy it you can watch it over and over again. That's what it provides. People are way too fixated with future plans and universes these days. Do people even know what a movie is these days?

Knowing what the MCU has provided us, I had similar hopes for the DCEU, and those are hopes I'd like to cling on too.

"No thanks"? Cool, don't go see it. There's plenty of other people who are interested in it.

And that's perfectly fine. My views are merely an opinion (we're all here to share those, good and bad). In my opinion, DC/WB don't know what they're doing; they're in a rush to produce something of a grand success to show the world that they haven't been bested by Marvel and that they are capable of doing something on their own. They've had enough recent lacklustre features that bring out the caution and scepticism in me.

You're right. It is a story about a guy with issues, and how he eventually becomes the Joker. I think you left out that tiny winsty tidbit.

He'll never become the Joker (to me) until he has a confrontation with Batman, and I don't see this film leading into that.

 

[OutOfBoose]

He'll never become the Joker (to me) until he has a confrontation with Batman, and I don't see this film leading into that.

Ledger's Joker is probably not THE Joker for you, because plenty of time passes before he meets Batman face to face.

 

[Flash525]

Ledger's Joker is probably not THE Joker for you, because plenty of time passes before he meets Batman face to face.

Now you're just being pedantic.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Now you're just being pedantic.

Am I? Confrontation isn't necessary for a successful adaptation of the character.

 

[Flash525]

Am I? Confrontation isn't necessary for a successful adaptation of the character.

We have a difference of opinion. It's already been established that I hold a desire for the DCEU, rather than solo features. I know, we all know, that this film isn't going to feature into the larger picture, and as such, I'm not all that fussed about it.

 

[StarLord]

What is this DCEU?

 

[FunkMiller]

I entirely see - and understand - the idea that folks aren’t bothered if Batman isn’t involved in this movie. That’s more than fair enough. But I’m a Batman fan, and instrinsically think that his supporting characters are no where near as interesting when they’re not doing what they should be... which is supporting his stories.

Doesn’t mean I won’t watch this film though!

 

[Boom]

Knowing what the MCU has provided us, I had similar hopes for the DCEU, and those are hopes I'd like to cling on too.

You're kind of proving his point.

If you want a shared universe that's fine, but it's not the end-all-be-all for movies. If you can't find some joy in what else WB has to offer besides mimicking Marvel, then I don't know what to tell you. Sucks, I guess?

 

[Flash525]

If you want a shared universe that's fine, but it's not the end-all-be-all for movies. If you can't find some joy in what else WB has to offer besides mimicking Marvel, then I don't know what to tell you. Sucks, I guess?

Why does it suck, exactly? It's no different from having a preferred film genre.

I have, and will continue to appreciate films that Marvel and DC/WB release, I'm just not specifically looking forward to an elseworld film about a character that's expected to transition into the Joker. I'm not against it, I just don't see the point to it. There are so many more characters I'd like to see on the big screen than the Joker, regardless of his adaption, and regardless of whether it's integrated into the DCEU or not.

I have no ambition for a stand-alone Joker film. Despite preferring the DCEU, I'm not against stand alone films.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I entirely see - and understand - the idea that folks aren’t bothered if Batman isn’t involved in this movie. That’s more than fair enough. But I’m a Batman fan, and instrinsically think that his supporting characters are no where near as interesting when they’re not doing what they should be... which is supporting his stories.

Doesn’t mean I won’t watch this film though!

While I think Batman isn't needed for specifically confrontation as a catalyst for the transformation, I'm rather convinced that Joker's origin without at least SOME influence from Batman is like origin of Harley Quinn without The Joker. Or Venom without Spider-Man. And it's not the question of blind faithfulness to the source. I just can't imagine any legit alternative.

 

[Guts]

No, I really don't. DC/WB should shift their focus to fixing what is broken.

I'm all for independent films on various characters, but what does a film about the Joker actually provide? Where's it leading? What's the grand purpose of it? If there's sequels, where are they headed? What about Batman (a strong character in the Joker mythos)?

This Joker project is, quite frankly, a joke (pun not intended). It's similar in mindset to how Joss wanted a Batgirl film so one was given the go-ahead or whatever. Thankfully that never came to pass. Someone obviously just wanted to do a Joker film and DC/WB just said "sure, nothing else we've got is working at the moment, so why not?"

No thanks!

There are no sequels I'm pretty sure this is just meant to be a stand alone movie.

 

[Arachnerd]

Flash, it's very clear to me that you have literally no interest in this movie, so why are you getting this worked up about it? For that matter, why are you still posting here?

It's one thing to not be optimistic about a movie yet still be curious enough to follow its development, it's another when you declare the movie dead on arrival and try to present reasons why it won't work (a comic book movie doesn't always need to revolve around a cinematic universe, in fact that's the exception nowadays) to people who are willing to give it a chance even if cautiously so. You've stated your thoughts well enough by now, so I'd suggest you move on to other threads and discuss films you're actually looking forward to.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Now there's a Snyder who actually knows what he's talking about.

And the ONLY Snyder we should trust haha

 

[Kane52630]

 

[OutOfBoose]

^Ugh, this is seriously too much.

 

[StarLord]

You mean, you don't want this?

Spoiler

 

[GodDamnBatman]

My dream is that somehow Joaquin's Joker is amazing and ends up in Matt Reeves' Batman series against Oscar Isaac as Batman...

Oscar Isaac vs Joaquin Phoenix would be amazing.

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My dream is that Affleck and Cavill show up at the end, and they're sitting in The Batcave watching CCTV footage of a Joker crime spree.

Superman: (sarcastically) "So this is guy we should be worried about?"

Batman: (while angrily staring at the footage) "You haven't met him yet."

Film ends.

 

[GodDamnBatman]

It'll be interesting to see what they do. Regardless of what the movie ultimately is, if you are going to call it "Joker," people are going to expect the Joker. I don't think they can pull off only having him in all of his glory for one scene at the end. If WOM gets out that he's only the Joker for a matter of minutes, this thing's dead on arrival.

Call it "Jokes On You."

 

[OutOfBoose]

You mean, you don't want this?

Spoiler

Where's "hahahaha" eyebrows? Looks incomplete.

 

[Arachnerd]

^Ugh, this is seriously too much.

Yes. I too find it extremely triggering how some people have the nerve of manip-ing Joaquin Phoenix with a Ledger appearance. Truly, these heretics should be burned at the stake for their sins.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Yes. I too find it extremely triggering how some people have the nerve of manip-ing Joaquin Phoenix with a Ledger appearance. Truly, these heretics should be burned at the stake for their sins.

Whatever the origin of those scars is, we never saw his face sliced open in the film. And thanks for that.

Overall, I'm not a fan of more gruesome depictions of the character. Like that skin mask.

 

[FunkMiller]

Well, that's certainly nightmare fuel, right there. Though of course I hope he doesn't end up looking anything like that, given how lazy it would be.

 

[David H.]

Recreating the thematically apt for its respective film chaotic look of Ledger’s Joker < simple white make-up, red lipstick and green wig/hair dye.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I'd prefer they don't disfigure his face like Nicholson and Ledger versions. Phoenix' facial features don't need that. It's not a deal-breaker for me, but it looks like a nice opportunity for the most classic adaptation appearance-wise.

 

[Lone]

I'd prefer they don't disfigure his face like Nicholson and Ledger versions. Phoenix' facial features don't need that. It's not a deal-breaker for me, but it looks like a nice opportunity for the most classic adaptation appearance-wise.

Agreed.

Slick up his hair ala Johnny Cash/Walk The Line and this is perfectly fine IMO. I’m digging the eyes in this manip.