Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[BaelaTargaryen]

 

[terry78]

That was what we were shooting for.

 

[Greens]

Nice.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Awesome. R rated was the way to go!

 

[terry78]

The Joker has always been an R rated character in regards to what he's done. Cartoons and PG13 movies have had to kind of tone him down and imply his horrific ways so this will be interesting. Nolan got away with a shockingly large amount for what he was given.

 

[Orb]

Wont be surprising at all given the script lol

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

I wonder when a new trailer will come out. I wanted see a Red Band trailer for it.

 

[Travesty]

The Joker has always been an R rated character in regards to what he's done. Cartoons and PG13 movies have had to kind of tone him down and imply his horrific ways so this will be interesting. Nolan got away with a shockingly large amount for what he was given.

What are you talking about? Nolan panned the camera away at just about every turn. Burton's was shown to be more bloody and violent than anything we got from Nolan.

 

[Guts]

 

[Infinity9999x]

What are you talking about? Nolan panned the camera away at just about every turn. Burton's was shown to be more bloody and violent than anything we got from Nolan.

Eh, kinda. Burtons was cartoony enough that it never felt all that real, which is why I suspect he was able to show more.

 

[terry78]

What are you talking about? Nolan panned the camera away at just about every turn. Burton's was shown to be more bloody and violent than anything we got from Nolan.

The subject matter .

 

[The Joker]

Eh, kinda. Burtons was cartoony enough that it never felt all that real, which is why I suspect he was able to show more.

Correct. Stuff like this looked more cartoonish than graphic.

The subject matter .

While you're quite correct, there was still some grumblings about it being too violent for a 12A cert;

Batman film The Dark Knight 'too violent' for children

But thankfully these Soccer moms were ignored.

 

[Travesty]

The most violent things that you witness in TDK, are dogs being thrown off of skyscrapers, and seeing Dent's face get melted.

 

[Schlosser85]

TDK had to tiptoe around graphic violence, but its Joker is still pretty dark. He blows up Rachel, causes Dent's disfigurement, cuts a smile into Gambol's face, beats his own dogs (well, the dogs he commandeered from The Chechen) with crowbars, sews up a bomb in his own henchman's stomach, cuts up The Chechen and feeds him to his own dogs, and burns Lau alive atop a pile of money.

Plus if you listen to Mike Engel's report about the fake Batman, it says footage was found "concealed in the body".

"In" the body. So....yea. Dude got messed up.

Sure, it dances around showing most of those things onscreen, but it's still a lot of dark deeds.

 

[The Joker]

TDK had to tiptoe around graphic violence, but its Joker is still pretty dark. He blows up Rachel, causes Dent's disfigurement, cuts a smile into Gambol's face, beats his own dogs (well, the dogs he commandeered from The Chechen) with crowbars, sews up a bomb in his own henchman's stomach, cuts up The Chechen and feeds him to his own dogs, and burns Lau alive atop a pile of money.

Plus if you listen to Mike Engel's report about the fake Batman, it says footage was found "concealed in the body".

"In" the body. So....yea. Dude got messed up.

Sure, it dances around showing most of those things onscreen, but it's still a lot of dark deeds.

Indeed. Plus you had other stuff like that video of him terrorizing that copycat Batman, especially this part;



That terrified scream of Brian Douglas at the end coupled with the camera spazzing around, and the Joker's manic laughter.....that's dark. Plus Joker's "LOOK AT ME!!!"...creepy af. Sometimes implied violence is much more unnerving than actually seeing it.

 

[Travesty]

TDK had to tiptoe around graphic violence, but its Joker is still pretty dark. He blows up Rachel, causes Dent's disfigurement, cuts a smile into Gambol's face, beats his own dogs (well, the dogs he commandeered from The Chechen) with crowbars, sews up a bomb in his own henchman's stomach, cuts up The Chechen and feeds him to his own dogs, and burns Lau alive atop a pile of money.

Plus if you listen to Mike Engel's report about the fake Batman, it says footage was found "concealed in the body".

"In" the body. So....yea. Dude got messed up.

Sure, it dances around showing most of those things onscreen, but it's still a lot of dark deeds.

Yeah, there's no denying that, but the entire point was to say "Nolan got away with all of this violence", when he rally didn't, as he never showed it: it was just implied.

I wasn't even criticizing his Joker or anything, I was just saying there's nothing to "get away with", when nothing is shown.

 

[Schlosser85]

Ledger abruptly roaring "LOOK AT ME!" made some people jump in the theater. I find it kinda fascinating to try to analyze his performance and things in the subtext about his Joker, given we know nothing about him, and obviously we never got much of Ledger's thoughts about it.

Going zero to sixty from playful to roaring rage hints at some serious anger down there. Which I think fits. Ledger's Joker went hard on the angry, nihilistic "burn the world" angle.

 

[Orb]

I wonder how press Phoenix is willing to do for this movie. I know he doesn't really do much especially when breaking down his characters but I would loooove to read his thoughts and methods for this movie.

 

[Guts]

Romero's Joker was scarier than Ledger's. He did try to get high school students to join his gang by rigging the milk machine to give out money instead of milk. Sure Ledger's Joker will kill you, but Romero's Joker will screw you over in the long run by making you turn to a life of crime when you're a teen.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[terry78]

Even the most lighthearted iterations would still have the goal of like driving someone to do things they normally wouldn't do.

 

[Hollis Mason]

Todd Phillips is a really nice guy. And he really seems to love the character.

 

[Gothamsknight]

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I'm soooo hoping for an art book myself!

 

[Gothamsknight]

Indeed. Plus you had other stuff like that video of him terrorizing that copycat Batman, especially this part;



That terrified scream of Brian Douglas at the end coupled with the camera spazzing around, and the Joker's manic laughter.....that's dark. Plus Joker's "LOOK AT ME!!!"...creepy af. Sometimes implied violence is much more unnerving than actually seeing it.

Absolutely! And the audiences "dead silence in shock" to this scene spoke wonders. It was horrifying

 

[Johnny Gobbs]

Not sure what the etiquette is around here, but if anyone should happen to have access to a copy of that script, well... let's just say it's like a jacket: sometimes it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it lol