Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[TMP98]

Adam Sandler is never getting a nomination. He's not an Oscar friendly actor, Uncut Gems is not an Oscar friendly movie and Safdies aren't oscar friendly directors yet.

Something that's gonna hurt both Gems and The Lighthouse is that A24 kind of sucks at campaigning. Ethan Hawke gave the best male performance last year, and didn't even get nominated. I hope De Niro gets a nomination, but the CGI on his face is gonna really hurt his chances

 

[TMP98]

I can't believe it has a higher media than A Marriage Story and Ad Astra, films that are also getting praised at Twtter. This will make Twitter go more mad.

A lot of critics seem to love all 3 though. The only real clunkers from Venice so far seem to be the new Polanski and Seberg.

 

[dhandler01]

I can't believe it has a higher media than A Marriage Story and Ad Astra, films that are getting praised at Twitter by the ones that hate this one. This will make Twitter go more mad.

Part of that is JP. Actors like that get the media behind them but kind of annoy the heck out of regular people. Brad Pitt is way more likeable which is good and bad.

 

[Invader Joker]

Something that's gonna hurt both Gems and The Lighthouse is that A24 kind of sucks at campaigning. Ethan Hawke gave the best male performance last year, and didn't even get nominated. I hope De Niro gets a nomination, but the CGI on his face is gonna really hurt his chances

Adam Sandler hurts his own chances because the thought of "ACADEMY NOMINEE ADAM SANDLER " being used to promote any of his god awful movies is enough to turn off voters.

At least Pattinson has a promising future

 

[jemoen]

Metacritic is a better indicator for the Oscars. RT is not.

 

[HBarnill]

Early as hell, especially since Rotten tomatoes added 600 critics to the site. It’s at 88% now with 32 reviews. Good to see.

Well a lot of them are WOC so I don’t think they’re gonna be very positive about the movie (nor do they have an obligation to).

 

[Invader Joker]

Well a lot of them are WOC so I don’t think they’re gonna be very positive about the movie (nor do they have an obligation to).

Despite what woke twitter would lead you to believe, not every WOC is a puritan close minded SJW. I know plenty of WOC excited for this film. I'm sure a lot are going to enjoy it.

 

[terry78]

 

[Hollis Mason]

Metacritic is a better indicator for the Oscars. RT is not.

Not really. Movies like Revenant, Bohemian Rhapsody, Vice, Hateful Eight and Green Book don't have HIGH scores and still got nominated. Rotten Tomatoes, while still having mistakes, has a bigger number of critics, which is good and bad at the same time.

The best indicator for Oscars is actually reading the reviews and not just watching the scores.

 

[jemoen]

No one is talking about that. Yes, panned movies can still get nominations.
RT features a bunch of bloggers who are not part of film critics associations and most importantly its score system is messy.
MC is what people use for the Oscars, not saying nothing new. While the GP is obsessed with RT.

 

[HBarnill]

RT is legit if:

1) You use the Top Critics section. It will only weed out the bloggers and what-have-you.
2) Look at the average score, as opposed to the percentage.

 

[Hollis Mason]

No one is talking about that. Yes, panned movies can still get nominations.
RT features a bunch of bloggers who are not part of film critics associations and most importantly its score system is messy.
MC is what people use for the Oscars, not saying nothing new. While the GP is obsessed with RT.

MC isn't what people use for Oscars, dude The only reason people dislike RT and think MC is better is because they think the percentage of acceptance is the rating of the movie and don't know Top Critics exist. But both sites are basically the same crap. Like i said. Academy doesn't care about the score of any website.

And like the dude before me said, Top Critics is also a pretty useful thing. It's basically MC 2.0.

Like i said, the best indicator for Oscars is actually reading the reviews and the scores they give to the film.

 

[jemoen]

It's what obsessed with awards/oscars use, whether you like it or not. And they know more about this **** than you and me.
RT score system is messy like I said. And i'm not interested in this issue anymore.

 

[Hollis Mason]

It's what obsessed with awards use, wether you like it or not. And they know more than you and me.
RT score system is messy like I said

No need to get so defensive. You haven't given any proof besides your opinion. MC and RT system work basically the same. Just look at the ratings of the movies (not their percentage but their average score and their TC score) and you will see the number is basically the same.

And awards prognosticators know as much as you and me. They're dudes who sit and talk about what a bunch of other guys will like. This idea they are "experts" is just laughable bull****.

The Academy doesn't care about those websites,

 

[samsnee]

If you think taking inspiration from other movies is a bad thing you should really start to watch other movies besides cbm. Every classic takes inspiration or a plot point from other classic. That's how art works. Let's not act like it's something horrible that Phillips somehow invented because it looks ridiculous.

No, that’s not how art works. Tell Julian Schnabel his work is derivative of someone else’s and see if he likes that accusation.

There’s taking inspiration and then there’s basically copying another movie. Nolan used the movie Heat as inspiration for Dark Knight, but it certainly didn’t feel like he was copying it.

The King of Comedy is about a failed stand up comedian who tries to get the attention of someone more successful, and taking it too far. Throw in a little Taxi Driver, and you basically have the plot of this movie.

Yes Joaquin looks like he did a good job with it. And maybe it’s well executed. But I fail to see how this is groundbreaking or original.

 

[FunkMiller]

Well, more amazing reviews roll in.

I get the criticism that this is more King Of Comedy remake than actual Joker film, but I’m still excited to see it as it seems to be a genuinely great piece of cinema.

 

[TraditionalHero]

I've read some of the reviews and I have to say I still don't know what to expect. Some are calling it an instant classic but some are calling it pretentious and empty.

There seem to be compelling cases being made for both sides.

 

[BatSpider]

Well hopefully you watch it and form your own opinion

I’ve read all the reviews. While they’re encouraging to hear, I’m not gonna go in expecting an all time masterpiece, that’s setting yourself up for potential disappointment

An open, unbiased mind is all you need

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

No, that’s not how art works. Tell Julian Schnabel his work is derivative of someone else’s and see if he likes that accusation.

There’s taking inspiration and then there’s basically copying another movie. Nolan used the movie Heat as inspiration for Dark Knight, but it certainly didn’t feel like he was copying it.

The King of Comedy is about a failed stand up comedian who tries to get the attention of someone more successful, and taking it too far. Throw in a little Taxi Driver, and you basically have the plot of this movie.

Yes Joaquin looks like he did a good job with it. And maybe it’s well executed. But I fail to see how this is groundbreaking or original.

If the film has strong performances, visuals and sound design, why does it matter if it's derivative? Those elements are enough for praise. I've essentially known exact what I was getting with this project for months now and I'm perfectly fine with that.

 

[Hollis Mason]

I already explained why art always takes inspirations from classics before. Take a look at classics like Lord of the Rings, for example, taking from old stories, like the Ring arc and Dragons. Or Shakespeare, who used to inspire himself with many other stories. Even Hamlet was an inspiration from other story, if i remember. Or take a look at more recent works like 1984, which also took a lot of inspiration from other works, and it's one of the best novels of all time. That's how art works. Every good author will always take something from a story he likes and mold it into the story he wants to tell.

Art takes inspiration ALWAYS. Saying it doesn't or that it's wrong to do it is stupid. There's a big difference between stealing an idea and getting inspiration from an idea. A good example would be the classics that got inspired by works like Odyssey or Iliad. Or Lord of the Rings. Or Shakespeare. Everytime there's a big hit, it will inspire a lot of movies. The thing about it is not copying the old story but making your own. Taking different things from classics and making an original thing is a big part of art.

The only difference is that this movie is taking inspiration from more recent works in the media of cinema. It has been done since before you or me were born. This movie has a similar story to those films you quote, but the idea and unfold behind it is very different. It takes inspiration but that doesn't mean it's copying them. That way of thinking shows a lot of ignorance about this works.

You would know if you had watched it or read the script. I suggest you to give it a chance, because right now it feels you are only searching for reasons to hate this movie.

 

[Hollis Mason]

BTW, I'm not saying tryng to do something never done before is bad. But taking inspiration from other works is nothing to be ashamed That's how every great artist starts. That's how many great authors started, and that's how many great stories get created. If it didn't work, don't you think every review would be calling out Phillips and calling him a thief? From what i read, the movie just happens to take a few references and plot points of other movies, but creates something different and new with them. Kinda like Tarantino does with his movies. Or a closer example would be what Mangold did with Logan.

 

[brandeezy89]

Don't know how to read this but Joker is ranked 2nd out of the films screened so far

 

[TMP98]

Don't know how to read this but Joker is ranked 2nd out of the films screened so far

Volpi cup for Joaquin?

 

[Pennywise]

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[BaelaTargaryen]