The Joker Thread - Part 1

[Eddie Dean]

Ledger had eyeliner and wore lipstick

 

[Jekecy]

Pheonix also gave some effeminate vibes with his shoulder shrugs and teasing smiles. I thought it was a nice subtle touch in showing his inner-self coming out.

 

[Invader Joker]

In 2020, that might not play well.

Obligatory reminder these films are made for a global audience and most countries out there are not as advanced as America in terms of those types of social issues and don't share the same sensibilities. By in large I think it'd play as well as it always has and even in America you wouldn't get much complaints aside from the super SJW Twitter idiots.

 

[AndyTrevino]

Ledger had eyeliner and wore lipstick

Yeah, but it was messy enough that it didn't really look effeminate. I'm talking about that TDKR/Gotham kind of look, where the lipstick is very neatly applied, cleaner look overall, etc.

 

[Juke Box Hero]

wowee

 

[AndyTrevino]

wowee

What???

 

[Juke Box Hero]

What???

Some of this thread has turned into a big oof

 

[Marvel united]

Honestly, I wouldn't mind a feminine Joker. I think it would be an interesting, new direction to take the character. Joaquin veered a bit into that but It would be interesting if Reeves went all the way with it.

I think even going further with romantic undertones of Batman & Joker's relationship would also be interesting

 

[Art Vandelay]

I think even going further with romantic undertones of Batman & Joker's relationship would also be interesting

Never in a million years. The fan outrage would be insane.

 

[WatchProtect]

At this point I would prefer 1 of 2 things. The feminine Joker or the horror, demon, Pale man, curse on Gotham, supernatural Joker

 

[AndyTrevino]

Never in a million years. The fan outrage would be insane.

Fan outrage? The Joker's always acted that way. I doubt he genuinely feels attracted to Batman or anyone in general, but it's not completely OOC for him.

Now, if you're talking about Batman acknowledging/reciprocating those feelings, THEN we have a problem.

 

[Invader Joker]

Never in a million years. The fan outrage would be insane.

He literally sang romantic songs to Batman in the Arkham games and pretty much all fans loved that.

 

[Captain Tired]

Always? Is that right? I think it was only at the tail end of the '80s that that interpretation/dynamic between the two started to become fashionable. I could be wrong though.

 

[fan4stic]

Fan outrage? The Joker's always acted that way. I doubt he genuinely feels attracted to Batman or anyone in general, but it's not completely OOC for him.

Now, if you're talking about Batman acknowledging/reciprocating those feelings, THEN we have a problem.

He literally sang romantic songs to Batman in the Arkham games and pretty much all fans loved that.

I don't think many people take that very seriously. I don't know why would someone want to see a Joker whose actually romantically interested in Batman.

 

[AndyTrevino]

I don't think many people take that very seriously. I don't know why would someone want to see a Joker whose actually romantically interested in Batman.

Yeah, he's not genuinely attracted to Batman the way a normal person would be. He's obsessed with him in a very self-serving way

 

[AndyTrevino]

Always? Is that right? I think it was only at the tail end of the '80s that that interpretation/dynamic between the two started to become fashionable. I could be wrong though.

Well, I think that's the more effective way to interpret it than just another "villain-hates-hero-and-tries-to-kill-them" relationship, but yeah, I think it was The Dark Knight Returns that rewrote Joker as being fixated on Batman.

 

[AndyTrevino]

Some of this thread has turned into a big oof

I'd say it's more of a bruh moment. Redditors have milked the whole "big (x)" thing for all its worth IMO

 

[Art Vandelay]

He literally sang romantic songs to Batman in the Arkham games and pretty much all fans loved that.

So the Joker singing to Batman as a way of taunting him is a "romantic undertone"? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what Marvel united was suggesting, but it seemed they were talking about real, genuine romance.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Kristen Stewart would be good as The Joker tbh

 

[Thomas Wayne 92]

The last good Joker was Jack Nicholson. There , I said it . I'd like a good ,old -fashioned Joker who doesn't care about "society", " caos", or " getting what you deserve"... I want an old murderous prankster.

 

[Mr. E Nygma]

The last good Joker was Jack Nicholson. There , I said it . I'd like a good ,old -fashioned Joker who doesn't care about "society", " caos", or " getting what you deserve"... I want an old murderous prankster.

I couldn't agree more. I like Heath's interpretation as well as Joaquins grounded take and Leto tried something new...The thing about Joker is I believe there's a ratio of fun prankster to creepy psycho and Nicholson is the only actor so far to get that part right. Same reason why Hamill's Joker works so well too. Both his and Nicholsons characterizations focused mostly on the fun prankster and only every once in a while showed that darker edgier creepy take that Leto used for most of his part.

 

[shauner111]

How many times will I say “good lord” on these forums.

 

[Marvel united]

Toby kebbell might be a good choice

 

[shauner111]

The last good Joker was Jack Nicholson. There , I said it . I'd like a good ,old -fashioned Joker who doesn't care about "society", " caos", or " getting what you deserve"... I want an old murderous prankster.

Joker is all about chaos.

 

[AndyTrevino]

Toby kebbell might be a good choice

He doesn't look like him though