The Joker Thread - Part 1

And yet her performance overcomes all that stuff, unlike a certain other actor in his role!
 
Eddie Dean said:
And yet her performance overcomes all that stuff, unlike a certain other actor in his role!
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Eh, fine. But you have to admit, Ayers didn't boldly reimagine Amanda Waller into something unrecognizeable... unlike the Joker. What we saw was Ayers' vision - for whatever reason, he chose to reimagine Joker, but not Waller.
 
The only changes they made to The Joker where purely visual (and it's not even that radical). Otherwise he's exactly the same.
 
lordofthenerds said:
I guess Ayers' idea of a bold new direction.
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BaelaTargaryen said:
David Ayer Says Jared Leto’s Joker Look Was Inspired By Instagram Drug Lords
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AndyTrevino said:
There is something to be said for a more modern Joker, but IMO he played it up too much with the jewelry and rap music playing in a strip club. I really liked the flashiness, but he should've buttoned up his shirts and should've had less tats in general.
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I think folks misunderstood him. He wasn't talking about posers on social media. Notorious drug cartel leaders are on IG flaunting their really lavish, gaudy lifestyles. It's wild. I did feel that was a fair take on the Clown Prince of Crime. Joker ain't exactly discreet. But yeah, execution was seriously lacking.

Also I agree. Viola was solid.
 
Eddie Dean said:
The only changes they made to The Joker where purely visual (and it's not even that radical). Otherwise he's exactly the same.
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In terms of personality alone, Leto's Joker was actually a pretty adequate adaptation. With that said, "exactly the same" is pushing it... I don't recall the Joker ever being so angst driven, or madly in love with Harley Quinn. But his dialogue? It's not surprising that Joker got the worst dialogue in that movie ("handsome HUNKA, HUNKA"). Ayers is no comedian, and it showed.
 
lordofthenerds said:
In terms of personality alone, Leto's Joker was actually a pretty adequate adaptation. With that said, "exactly the same" is pushing it... I don't recall the Joker ever being so angst driven, or madly in love with Harley Quinn. But his dialogue? It's not surprising that Joker got the worst dialogue in that movie ("handsome HUNKA, HUNKA"). Ayers is no comedian, and it showed.
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This kinda sums up how I feel about him. There's potential, and it shows but it's bogged down by that fanfiction-y bullsh*t and bad dialogue as well as questionable design choices.
 
I don't have any problem with him being romantic toward Harley in theory. If he was going to be in a long-running DC universe in a capacity that didn't consist mostly of small appearances, well, all of the big recurring villains in these movies have more going on than just being evil. In general, they end up having some sort of redemption arc, and that would go over worse in the case of The Joker, but there being one person he actually gives a s*** about gives him some extra dimension that makes him seem less redundant. From a longevity perspective, though, it would be better to start him out as a solitary, psychotic murderer and then have him develop an attachment to someone.

Regardless, I just thought his whole character in Suicide Squad was overdone. Maybe it was a wrong fit, and Leto would have done better with a more lowkey Joker, or failing that a more coherent one. I think an Instagram gangster Joker was always going to come off looking like an idiot, so I think it would work better if you could tell the movie thought he was an idiot and the joke was on him, instead of him being played by a hot guy as some sort of goth bad boy in a shippable romance. I mean, that obviously worked for some people in the audience who liked shipping goth bad boy romances, but the combination just isn't compelling to me.
 
Fincher said:
I don't have any problem with him being romantic toward Harley in theory. If he was going to be in a long-running DC universe in a capacity that didn't consist mostly of small appearances, well, all of the big recurring villains in these movies have more going on than just being evil. In general, they end up having some sort of redemption arc, and that would go over worse in the case of The Joker, but there being one person he actually gives a s*** about gives him some extra dimension that makes him seem less redundant. From a longevity perspective, though, it would be better to start him out as a solitary, psychotic murderer and then have him develop an attachment to someone.

Regardless, I just thought his whole character in Suicide Squad was overdone. Maybe it was a wrong fit, and Leto would have done better with a more lowkey Joker, or failing that a more coherent one. I think an Instagram gangster Joker was always going to come off looking like an idiot, so I think it would work better if you could tell the movie thought he was an idiot and the joke was on him, instead of him being played by a hot guy as some sort of goth bad boy in a shippable romance. I mean, that obviously worked for some people in the audience who liked shipping goth bad boy romances, but the combination just isn't compelling to me.
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Personally, I think the other way around would've been better. As his career progresses, he becomes more unhinged. But if you absolutely have to humanize him, then maybe write mood swings into his character or something like that to keep him scary and not to give him any redeeming traits.
 
Da-Scribe said:
But Leto is a damn fine actor.
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His method acting will astonish you! Watch him disappear in the role of Dr. Michael Morbius.

I have a rare blood disease that makes me hunka hunka
 
Leto is a phenomenal actor who blew one role in an otherwise illustrious career and acted like such a total weirdo it made everyone collectively forget the rest of his work which, while partially his own fault, is a shame. It never feels like the people who talk about Leto being a bad actor have actually seen him outside of Squad.
 
Let’s list the great Leto performances again?

Dallas Buyers Club is terrible, borderline offensive.

Requiem is fine, but he’s the straight man in that. Nothing to take note of.

American Psycho? Fight Club? He’s barely has any lines in those.
 
I’m not a big fan of Leto. I don’t think he’s phenomenal or anything but I do think he’s a good actor.

I can’t wait for Morbius. I loved Venom!
 
Eddie Dean said:
Let’s list the great Leto performances again?

Dallas Buyers Club is terrible, borderline offensive.

Requiem is fine, but he’s the straight man in that. Nothing to take note of.

American Psycho? Fight Club? He’s barely has any lines in those.
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Yeah, phenomenal actor? lol....

Oh, he's in Panic Room. And gets outacted by Dwight Yoakam.

Also, he's notoriously bad in Chapter 27.

People think because Leto is a method actor that that somehow lends integrity to his performances.
 
Rorschach2012 said:
I’m not a big fan of Leto. I don’t think he’s phenomenal or anything but I do think he’s a good actor.

I can’t wait for Morbius. I loved Venom!
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Carnage's inclusion is enough to get me at the very least curious about Venom 2. I know murdering people is basically his only character trait, but he looks cool enough that it works for him. I know that's a very simplistic way of looking at things, but again, I'm fine with it
 
Whoever is the Joker to Pattinson's Batman...it makes me wonder if this Joker will cross paths with Margot Robbie's Harley or if Margot's character will even cross paths with Pattinson's version of Bruce Wayne/Batman
 
Tg11 said:
Whoever is the Joker to Pattinson's Batman...it makes me wonder if this Joker will cross paths with Margot Robbie's Harley or if Margot's character will even cross paths with Pattinson's version of Bruce Wayne/Batman
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It’s a different universe.
 
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