The Dark Knight Rises The Joker's Role in the Third Film

[General_Obol]

Well Joker can be in Black State Pen. That was a prison in the Batman comics were most of Batman's criminals went too. Super villians and mobsters. So Joker can go their since Arkyum and Narrows gone.

You also gotta remember that the Joker probably got the death penalty for his crimes. If he somehow avoided that, he was probably killed in prison. I mean, he threatened to kill all the prisoners being evacuated from the city in TDK. He's not going to be the most popular man in jail.

 

[Dirt Like Me]

Well Joker can be in Black State Pen. That was a prison in the Batman comics were most of Batman's criminals went too. Super villians and mobsters. So Joker can go their since Arkyum and Narrows gone.

The Joker has already shown that he is smart enough to escape when he's been held captive--from a police station, no less. Plus, if they sent him to Blackgate it's as good as saying that the justice system considers him sane, in which case they could execute him. Which would suck.

As for the whole, "let's see other villains" idea, I see where people are coming from with that, but at this point I'm much more interested in seeing the conclusion of the story. There are a lot of loose ends to be tied up, and the Joker is one of a handful of people in Gotham that know the truth about what became of Harvey Dent, and what Batman and Gordon are covering up. (Helen Ramirez might be the only other person). I suppose that that, as some have suggested, the Riddler could figure this out and use the information somehow. But, to me, his presence would be a kind of wedge that disconnects the conclusion of TDK (Batman taking the fall so that the Joker doesn't "win"), from the third movie and Batman's (presumed) redemption. Unless they retroactively tie the Riddler into TDK, his storyline might feel like a tacked-on addition, rather than a natural continuation.

I just think that the Joker casts too big of a shadow on the story (thus far) to be dropped from its concluding chapter. I want see the other villains in future movies, but not as much as I want to see Nolan finish up what TDK started.

 

[Crook]

The Joker has already shown that he is smart enough to escape when he's been held captive--from a police station, no less.

Actually, all it showed was that:

a) GPD are completely incompetent
b) Joker got lucky as a result of unfortunate events that incidentally gave him the upper-hand

 

[Dirt Like Me]

Actually, all it showed was that:
a) GPD are completely incompetent

True, but if they were competent, the city might not need Batman and my Wednesdays would be pretty dull.

b) Joker got lucky as a result of unfortunate events that incidentally gave him the upper-hand

I disagree on that one. He let himself get captured, and planted a bomb in a fat guy's stomach so that he could kidnap Lau and get to the mob's money. And then, even when his plan went awry, he still found a way to make his phone call to get control back. That's not coincidental, that's criminal brilliance.

 

[Crook]

The bomb blowing up where it did, taking out the entire station for Joker to freely roam around with no cops, not being handcuffed and given the opportunity to take a cop hostage....that's something that could not have been planned, but worked in Joker's favor.

 

[Dirt Like Me]

The bomb blowing up where it did, taking out the entire station for Joker to freely roam around with no cops, not being handcuffed and given the opportunity to take a cop hostage....that's something that could not have been planned, but worked in Joker's favor.

Maybe so. But a fat guy exploding in central holding would have created a distraction no matter what. The lack of handcuffs is a good point, though.

Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good, but I think the Joker was both thoughout the movie.

 

[Fresh Prince]

It was more the cops then Joker. Dude should not have left Joker un hand cuffed. As soon they left Joker should of been hand cuffed. And the polcie officer guy should not had went towards Joker. Stupid of him.

 

[nolan's roll'n]

Yes that's all because some people don't want him to be re-casted within the same series. Let him get a nod with a mention by someone or Gordon telling Batman that Joker broke out at the very end of the film just like he told him about the Joker at the end of Batman Begins. Let Ledger be the only Joker for Nolan's Batman.

Yeah I am with you somewhat. I understand, it is good though that Nolan has respect for what Heath did as the Joker in TDK not to replace/recast him in Batman 3.

 

[nolan's roll'n]

Can we atleast get a brief mention of Joker in Arkham and maybe a Harley Quinn cameo in Batman 3?

 

[bgates87]

I'm just wondering how they will keep The Joker from talking about Harvey Dent. Maybe The Joker will use that knowledge as leverage to bargain for a shorter sentence or to avoid the death penalty or something. At any rate I'm sure he would find a way to manipulate people from inside Arkham or wherever he goes and escape.

 

[General_Obol]

I'm just wondering how they will keep The Joker from talking about Harvey Dent. Maybe The Joker will use that knowledge as leverage to bargain for a shorter sentence or to avoid the death penalty or something. At any rate I'm sure he would find a way to manipulate people from inside Arkham or wherever he goes and escape.

Would anyone believe him?

 

[bgates87]

Would anyone believe him?

I don't see why not, he may have been crazy but he kept his word. That's a big thing to cover up anyways, all he really has to do is get a few people who matter asking questions and it will all fall apart.

 

[BestGirl]

I don't see why not, he may have been crazy but he kept his word. That's a big thing to cover up anyways, all he really has to do is get a few people who matter asking questions and it will all fall apart.

Yes, but everyone in Gotham seems to be total idiots. I wouldn't be surprised if no one asked any questions, even with the Joker's insinuations.

 

[Dirt Like Me]

I'm just wondering how they will keep The Joker from talking about Harvey Dent. Maybe The Joker will use that knowledge as leverage to bargain for a shorter sentence or to avoid the death penalty or something. At any rate I'm sure he would find a way to manipulate people from inside Arkham or wherever he goes and escape.

That's exactly why I think the Joker needs to be in the next movie. And I would love a scenario play out where the Joker could be telling the public the truth while Batman and the GCPD are lying. I think that could be really interesting.

 

[Dirt Like Me]

Yeah I am with you somewhat. I understand, it is good though that Nolan has respect for what Heath did as the Joker in TDK not to replace/recast him in Batman 3.

I don't mean to single you out, roll'n, but this line of thinking bugs me. I don't think that it is any disrespect to Heath Ledger or his family to recast the Joker role for the next movie. Heath Ledger is not the Joker. The Joker is a character in a bigger story that the public is eager to see.

In fact, I've said before that I think it might be more disrespectful to change the story (or worse, decline to finish it at all) because of Ledger's death. He obviously put a lot of work and heart into his performance. There's a reason it won the Oscar, and that's because of Ledger's commitment to the telling the Joker's story. I think that by excluding the Joker from the next movie, and stopping the momentum Ledger built up is actually a disservice to his performance in its own right. Theater folks always say 'The show must go on', and I think in this case the adage holds true.

 

[regwec]

There are lots of ways that The Joker could evade excecution or captivity, but I think it would be more consistent with his presentation in TDK if he were simply to disappear without explanation, at will. I was impressed with Jonathan Nolan's comment that he wrote The Joker is an almost mythical, demonic being, who might have appeared from thin air. It plays well into the terrifying omniscience he displays, and underlines the fact that he cannot be predicted or overestimated in his capacity for chaos and evasion.

 

[Fresh Prince]

There are lots of ways that The Joker could evade excecution or captivity, but I think it would be more consistent with his presentation in TDK if he were simply to disappear without explanation, at will. I was impressed with Jonathan Nolan's comment that he wrote The Joker is an almost mythical, demonic being, who might have appeared from thin air. It plays well into the terrifying omniscience he displays, and underlines the fact that he cannot be predicted or overestimated in his capacity for chaos and evasion.

Agreed. But still should not be in Batman 3.

 

[Dirt Like Me]

There are lots of ways that The Joker could evade excecution or captivity, but I think it would be more consistent with his presentation in TDK if he were simply to disappear without explanation, at will. I was impressed with Jonathan Nolan's comment that he wrote The Joker is an almost mythical, demonic being, who might have appeared from thin air. It plays well into the terrifying omniscience he displays, and underlines the fact that he cannot be predicted or overestimated in his capacity for chaos and evasion.

I also loved that Goyer quote about the Joker just materializing on the street corner. And I suppose the inverse is true, too. He probably could just disappear as easily as he appeared.

But at the same time, I wonder if he could stay away while Batman--who by the Joker's own account, keeps the world from being boring--is under seige from all directions. The cops will hunt Batman, the public will hate him, and I imagine that there will be a new threat/villain on his trail. I have trouble imagining the DK version of the Joker staying away. It would be too much fun for him to pass up.

Although, the unpredictability factor has to be considered, too. The Joker might also get a kick out of standing up the people who think he'd come back. (I'd still like to see it, though).

 

[Octavias]

The bomb blowing up where it did, taking out the entire station for Joker to freely roam around with no cops, not being handcuffed and given the opportunity to take a cop hostage....that's something that could not have been planned, but worked in Joker's favor.

The joker is sometimes referred to as having "Hyper sanity" moreso than total insanity. Its that he understands things on a different level than we do and in a way that makes how we react a big joke to him.

Everything he does in that movie is all anticipated and premeditated. Some even suggest he is a supernatural being akin to a Loki of norse mythology.
He gets greatly upset when things do not go as he expects, ala the boat seen at the end, because he feels he has a better grasp on human nature and reaction than anyone else does.
It also is one of the reasons he targets Batman moreso than anyone else... because Batman has taken a path few if any others would , and it intreagues him greatly.

 

[COMPO]

what if it was just a cameo?

 

[BestGirl]

what if it was just a cameo?

Only if the cameo had great significance for the plot.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

Yeah, just sticking him in there just to say, "We put The Joker there for you!" would probably annoy me more than anything.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Lets just have mention of Joker and Gordon say they executed him. Nolan basing his movies in reality. In reality he be dead he get the death penality. So lets kill him off. He not returning in Nolan series. Nolan killed off Two-Face and Ras Al Ghoul so.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Arykum Asylum no more its destroyed so is Narrows so were Joker go? Blackgate is kinda lame now thinking about it plusl ike i said they kill him. And they should. His story doen in Noaln series so in Nolan world like Burton Joker can be killed. He had a nice run. See you next series Joker.

 

[ultrasuperduckman]

In the Joker Blogs actually one of the story plots is the new DA trying to get him sent to Blackgate by saying that the Joker is faking insanity.

It's just fan made. But I still don't think Nolan would kill him off.