The Last Defenders

[Dread]

I knew him as a Spider-Man villain initially. I remember seeing him work alongside Boomerang. But he was pretty compelling in his own right on New Thunderbolts. In spite of Niceiza's total ****ing-over of Genis-Vell, he managed to do pretty well with Speed Demon and most of the other T-bolts.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat, I just never read Thunderbolts. Any incarnation.

 

[Anubis]

Damn Dread....you suck.

 

[Dread]

Damn Dread....you suck.

That's a bit harsh.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

No, it's fair. At least read the initial Busiek/Bagley trade, dude. That and Ostrander/Ferry's Heroes for Hire were the saving graces of the post-Onslaught period at Marvel.

 

[Darthphere]

I haven't read that stuff. I got into Thunderbolts when Nicieza was writing it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

His first couple of arcs were pretty good too. Aside from Genis. And Atlas, kinda. Really, that run fell apart for me when he killed off Genis and started getting deep into the Squadron Sinister/Grandmaster stuff.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I got on with Ellis

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Get out of here.

 

[Anubis]

I 've enjoyed pretty much the whole thing except for that deviation to Super Villain Fight Club they did. What the hell were they smokin'.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Did that even tie into anything with the Thunderbolts?

 

[Anubis]

I don't know, I dropped it after the first issue and never looked back.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Get out of here.

I don't care nuthin 'bout Zemo and Atlas

 

[Dread]

No, the "Villain Fight Club" was just chasing a trend to me to finish off the first volume, I thought. They thought it would boost sales. They failed.

When Thunderbolts launched, I had just gotten over the Venom stuff and really didn't like the idea of villains becoming heroes again. I thought it lowered the pool of capable villains and the Masters of Evil have really never been replaced since the "good" members became Thunderbolts. I suppose it isn't fair to blame other writers' lack of imagination on Thunderbolts, but there it is. I just was never interested and by the time I would have been, it was already deep into a second or third volume and I NEVER just dive into something blind. I either read everything or nothing. It keeps me off a lot of books. Hell, I'd have been on Flash ages ago if I wasn't like that, but I like getting every reference. It pays off on stuff that hasn't gone on long, like INVINCIBLE. What I know of Thunderbolts comes off Handbook Bio's.

Like I said, I have nothing against Speed-Demon, I just don't know him well. He probably would have some sort of conflict with Nighthawk, as he went back to crime a few times if I recall.

 

[Darthphere]

His first couple of arcs were pretty good too. Aside from Genis. And Atlas, kinda. Really, that run fell apart for me when he killed off Genis and started getting deep into the Squadron Sinister/Grandmaster stuff.

I got out around the Avengers/Thunderbolts crossover stuff. I think.

 

[Anubis]

That Avengers/T-Bolt crossover was pretty good. Kitson kicked some serious ass.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I wasn't a fan of the Photon/Sentry fight...if you wanna call it a fight

 

[Anubis]

I call it b***hin' out when things started to get heavy and stranding Sentry in the negative zone.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Bob was havin a bad day

 

[Dread]

Bob was havin a bad day

Every day is a bad day for Bob. When he isn't quivering in his living room he is getting schooled in nearly every major fight there is. I worry about Colossus' lackluster tanker status but MAN, Sentry's been underachieving since he killed Carnage in many ways.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I get that they had to limit him somehow, to keep him from being ridiculous(like he was in the mini) but he's just pathetic now.

Sentry and Strange have been the most gimped heroes of the past 2 years :

 

[Dread]

I get that they had to limit him somehow, to keep him from being ridiculous(like he was in the mini) but he's just pathetic now.

Sentry and Strange have been the most gimped heroes of the past 2 years :

At least Strange had THE OATH.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

What a great mini

 

[Dread]

What a great mini

Definitely.

 

[venom892]

I loved that mini.Brain K. Vaugh kicked all kind of ass.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, The Oath was one of the best mini-series I've ever read. I really, really wish we could've gotten a Strange series out of that.