Superman Returns The lifting of NK = Utterley Heroic?

[Angeloz]

At the time, I didn't even know it was a Uwe Bolle film....my brother brought over a DVD about vampires starring Lokken....I gave it a chance.....it was laughably bad.

Thanks. I take it he likes vampire films.

Angeloz

 

[C. Lee]

Some of us saw it verbally explained in the movie.

Good for you...want a cookie?

 

[LexCorp]

Good for you...want a cookie?

I could go for one..such a cookie ****e!

 

[Angeloz]

I could go for one..such a cookie ****e!

Bugger you're not the cookie monster? I liked him as a kid.

Angeloz

 

[C. Lee]

Thanks. I take it he likes vampire films.

Angeloz

Usually.....that one changed his mind.

 

[Angeloz]

Usually.....that one changed his mind.

There wasn't others he didn't like? 'Cos there seems to be a lot of crap vampire films. Although there's one or two I wish I could get on DVD here but Australia can be crap at releasing stuff.

Angeloz

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'm no Donner defender. They were both lazy ways to solve Superman's problems.

So did you not prefer the fact that in SR he tackled the problems straight on instead of taking the easy way out.

I really liked the scene, also I do not think that the rules were broken here for Superman. It felt like a great moment. He was throwing away a giant piece of his home...which was a theme of the movie. Finding his real home. Trying so hard to find a piece of Krypton and then once he finds it he chucks it away to save Earth...plus the fall to Earth was great.

I LOVE the scene, it is the definition of Superman for me, hence why i find it so heroic.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

A large chunk in his side crippled him, removing most of it allowed him to resume more power, I'm sure superman works off of similar principles to people, for example is has been docuemtned that small housewives have lifted cars up in times of need to save children etc that were their own, adrenaline etc and emotional response stimulating the pysical. This is surely a similar thing? Considerin ght elimits human bodies can push in real life, superman pushing them in fiction is nothing too unbelievable.

Exactly, Supermans will and determination is what helped succeed in getting rid of NK, not his super-powers. He was running on pure adrenaline and love for humanity at that point and its what got him through.

As you said, it is similar to normal people doing something beyond their means in times of desperation.

 

[El Payaso]

Exactly, Supermans will and determination is what helped succeed in getting rid of NK, not his super-powers. He was running on pure adrenaline and love for humanity at that point and its what got him through.

As you said, it is similar to normal people doing something beyond their means in times of desperation.

Like Superman being fast enough to reverse time when he wasn't able to catch two missiles.

 

[C. Lee]

There wasn't others he didn't like? 'Cos there seems to be a lot of crap vampire films. Although there's one or two I wish I could get on DVD here but Australia can be crap at releasing stuff.

Angeloz

What I meant was....he was expecting it to be a good movie because of the actors involved....but it only took a few minutes for him to change his mind. It just became a joke fest for us to riff on. I on the other hand....hadn't remembered it was an Uwe Bolle movie, but remembered hearing bad things about it....so wasn't surprised when it was bad.

 

[El Payaso]

Good for you...want a cookie?

 

[LexCorp]

^ lol that is so bad.

 

[C. Lee]

I believe he dressed up like that on Saturday Night Live.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Like Superman being fast enough to reverse time when he wasn't able to catch two missiles.

Or taking the easy way out and turning back time or erasing a womans memory to solve his problems.

 

[Angeloz]

What if he used a De Lorean?

Angeloz

 

[Lighthouse]

Or taking the easy way out and turning back time or erasing a womans memory to solve his problems.

Too bad he couldn't erase the pregnancy.

 

[Angeloz]

Never heard of miscarriages nor abortions. Not that I'd want either.

Angeloz

 

[C. Lee]

What if he used a De Lorean?

Angeloz

Supes might break the sound barrier while flying....but he would never violate any speed laws while in an automobile.

 

[Angeloz]

Don't you have places that are over 88 miles/hour?

Not even racetracks?

Angeloz

 

[C. Lee]

Don't you have places that are over 88 miles/hour?

Not even racetracks?

Angeloz

You can go that speed legally on racetracks for sure....but the NASCAR officials would not allow a car that doesn't fir their specs to drive on it.t:

 

[Angeloz]

Not even if it's not in use or for a private drive? Do they have open to the public stuff?

Angeloz

 

[mego joe]

Or taking the easy way out and turning back time or erasing a womans memory to solve his problems.

But that's the thing he's not solving his problems, he's solving LOIS'S problems.

And it's not easy, it puts more of a burden on him than letting Lois be dead or suffer.

 

[El Payaso]

But that's the thing he's not solving his problems, he's solving LOIS'S problems.

Lois' problems are his problems. Joe X dead might be, Lois dead no way for Supes. Some lady might have her heart broken and Superman doesn't care but if it's Lois, then amnesia kiss. If he has to live facing Lois' death because he chose to save other people or facing the pain he caused to her, then he must delete it.

And it's not easy, it puts more of a burden on him than letting Lois be dead or suffer.

It's universes easier than face the fact Lois died or that he choses his mission over Lois. It is far less of a burden having Lois alive - or are you saying it's easier for him if she's dead? - and not having to face the fact she suffers because of him.

 

[mego joe]

Lois' problems are his problems.

That's becasue he loves her.

Joe X dead might be, Lois dead no way for Supes. Some lady might have her heart broken and Superman doesn't care but if it's Lois, then amnesia kiss.

Well, duh, it was his responsibility. He loves Lois. It's really simple, you do special things for other people b/c you care more about them than anyone esle. But that does not mean you turn right around and hurt them the next day.

If he has to live facing Lois' death because he chose to save other people or facing the pain he caused to her, then he must delete it.

I know you don't get S:TM and SII. I know you think that Superman is just some guy whose selfishness gets in the way of his altruistic mission, but that is not what the character or S:TM and SII are about. I know the world is a different place today than in 1978 and people are much more jaded and untrusting of others who appear to be genuinely good. But SUperman is not like that, he REALLY is that good. And if you don't get that, you don't get Superman. And if you don't get that genuinely good and honest people don't ditch the woman they love for 5 years w/o a goodbye, you just don't get what a genuinely good and honest person is.

For the last time: It's not better to be dead and it's more of a burden on Superman to erase Lois's memory than let her go around in emotional distress for the rest of her life.

It's universes easier than face the fact Lois died or that he choses his mission over Lois. It is far less of a burden having Lois alive - or are you saying it's easier for him if she's dead? - and not having to face the fact she suffers because of him.

He realizes he made a mistake and that b/c of that it is not fair to Lois to be dead or in emotional distress, therefore, he uses his powers to the ultimate degree to right those wrongs and give LOis a chance at a happy norman life while still being alive and not a corpse.

It's really not that hard to get. Superman has no ulterior motives, he's not a skeletons in the closet guy. He's straigtforward good, caring and honest. I know it's tough to find some of these people these days, but that's who Superman is and that's his motivation. That's what S:TM and SII capture and what SR fails to capture, it is that essence of Superman.

 

[LexCorp]

What if he used a De Lorean?

Angeloz

lol

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