Homecoming The Marc Webb Thread

[Doctor Octopus]

So what? That was still Sam being forced to use Venom. Lots of movies have deleted scenes. Even the brilliant ones. Not everything makes it to the final cut.

 

[Oscorp]

I don't blame Raimi for Venom. I do however blame him for the retcon and the other bad stuff in the film.

 

[Spider-knight]

So what? That was still Sam being forced to use Venom. Lots of movies have deleted scenes. Even the brilliant ones. Not everything makes it to the final cut.

And that is what brings us to sympathize with them. I could relate to something like this if my creativity was meddled with

 

[Doctor Octopus]

They are still to blame for bad elements in the movies. I sympathize with Sam for being forced to use the symbiote and Venom when he did not want to. Or Gwen Stacy. But he did do the Sandman retcon. That was bad.

Marc Webb is to blame for things like the boring parents storyline being dragged out over the movies, Kafka, the weird script, cutting MJ out and all that. Sony is probably the ones who put in too many villains.

 

[Oscorp]

Why was cutting MJ out a bad thing?

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Why was cutting MJ out a bad thing?

I didn't say it was. I said Webb was to blame for it. He had creative say on the script and how it went. That was an example of it.

It might have been bad. It might not. She could have been an asset, and diverted the movie away from the boring parents stuff more, and given more diversity to Peter's life. Who knows. He needed to have more interaction than just with Gwen. She's the only character in the movies he has any proper developed relationship with. He had none with Harry. And he cares more about his parents than he does about Uncle Ben and Aunt May.

 

[Spider-knight]

They are still to blame for bad elements in the movies. I sympathize with Sam for being forced to use the symbiote and Venom when he did not want to. Or Gwen Stacy. But he did do the Sandman retcon. That was bad.

Marc Webb is to blame for things like the boring parents storyline being dragged out over the movies, Kafka, the weird script, cutting MJ out and all that. Sony is probably the ones who put in too many villains.

Why wouldn't sam want Gwen?

As for Webb, he did try to make the parents storyline well and the movie was an origin story and part if what makes Peter Parker so great was his life and combining the parents story with the origin would still be well handled as we see from the rough cut from Webb. I think either Webb or Sony wanted to cut out Webb thanks to people harassing her. If she stayed on who knows what she would've done to herself. The "weird script" was originally well handled but thanks to Sony it just turned out weird. Kafka I'll give you since it was confirmed that Webb did intend to make Kafka like that wish is sad and angry to think about.

As for the sandman retconned, I just wondered why he couldn't make the burglar of the first movie the villain like electro? Sure he wanted sandman but did he really want him that badly?

 

[Spider-knight]

I didn't say it was. I said Webb was to blame for it. He had creative say on the script and how it went. That was an example of it.

It might have been bad. It might not. She could have been an asset, and diverted the movie away from the boring parents stuff more, and given more diversity to Peter's life. Who knows. He needed to have more interaction than just with Gwen. She's the only character in the movies he has any proper developed relationship with. He had none with Harry. And he cares more about his parents than he does about Uncle Ben and Aunt May.

That's what bothered me about the second film. It angers me how Peter cares more for his parents than his aunt and uncle. Edited or not THAT is what bothered me the most and I am glad they're dead. It's great that he cared for his uncle in the first film and at times his aunt in this film but I hope to never see or hear his parents ever again in the next. I do like some story with them in the next film but give uncle ben and aunt may some respect

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Why wouldn't sam want Gwen?

Because he didn't think she was needed for the story. He was right.

As for Webb, he did try to make the parents storyline well and the movie was an origin story and part if what makes Peter Parker so great was his life and combining the parents story with the origin would still be well handled as we see from the rough cut from Webb. I think either Webb or Sony wanted to cut out Webb thanks to people harassing her. If she stayed on who knows what she would've done to herself. The "weird script" was originally well handled but thanks to Sony it just turned out weird. Kafka I'll give you since it was confirmed that Webb did intend to make Kafka like that wish is sad and angry to think about.

If he tried to do the parents storyline well then he failed. Either way he is still responsible for it. It was unnecessary to drag it out for two movies, and there was no worthy pay off to it at the end. It could have been mercifully wrapped up in the first movie. It bogged the sequel down an awful lot.

I don't think Woodley was cut because anyone was harassing her. Sony wouldn't listen to silly fans complaining about her looks.

How do you know Sony made the script bad? Webb and the writers did the script. How do you know Sony interfered with it and made the bad changes? Did Marc Webb say so? Please post some proof.

As for the sandman retconned, I just wondered why he couldn't make the burglar of the first movie the villain like electro? Sure he wanted sandman but did he really want him that badly?

It would be worse to make the burglar a main villain lol.

 

[Spider-knight]

Because he didn't think she was needed for the story. He was right.

If he tried to do the parents storyline well then he failed. Either way he is still responsible for it. It was unnecessary to drag it out for two movies, and there was no worthy pay of to it at the end. It could have been mercifully wrapped up in the first movie. It bogged the sequel down an awful lot.

Look, originally the two movies were suppose to be well handled but Sony messed with them like Raimi's 3 and 4

I don't think Woodley was cut because anyone was harassing her. Sony wouldn't listen to silly fans complaining about her looks.

I think they would

How do you know Sony made the script bad? Webb and the writers did the script. How do you know Sony interfered with it and made the bad changes? Did Marc Webb say so? Please post some proof.

How well both films were were evidence enough and it happened to Sam raimi too.
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It would be worse to make the burglar a main villain lol.

It would've made alot sense if this movie was about forgiveness. It happened with black cats father and look how well that turned out.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Look, originally the two movies were suppose to be well handled but Sony messed with them like Raimi's 3 and 4

How do you know?

I think they would

Based on what? Have they ever cut someone from their movies before because some fans complained about something as shallow as their looks?

How well both films were were evidence enough and it happened to Sam raimi too.

How is that evidence? We were told what interferences happened from Sony in Spider-Man 3 from official sources. What have you got to show as proof that is the case in TASM 2?

It would've made alot sense if this movie was about forgiveness. It happened with black cats father and look how well that turned out.

The burglar was dead after Spider-Man 1. How could he be brought back as a main villain in Spider-Man 3? Wouldn't turning him into a villain be just as bad as Sandman being the real killer? It would be worse because they'd also be retconning that the burglar died.

 

[Spider-knight]

How do you know?

Because I've been looking into it

Based on what? Have they ever cut someone from their movies before because some fans complained about something as shallow as their looks?

I'd imagine something like that would happen.

How is that evidence? We were told what interferences happened from Sony in Spider-Man 3 from official sources. What have you got to show as proof that is the case in TASM 2?

The trailers and everything teekay told us which were true

The burglar was dead after Spider-Man 1. How could he be brought back as a main villain in Spider-Man 3? Wouldn't turning him into a villain be just as bad as Sandman being the real killer? It would be worse because they'd also be retconning that the burglar died.

I don't think he died nor do I think he was originally suppose to die. That fall could've been lucky enough for him to break a few bones or give him a coma.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Because I've been looking into it

So post your proof please.

I'd imagine something like that would happen.

Which means you're just assuming with no basis for it.

The trailers and everything teekay told us which were true

I don't know who teekay is but what did the trailers show that proves anything?

I don't think he died nor do I think he was originally suppose to die. That fall could've been lucky enough for him to break a few bones or give him a coma.

He was dead. There was never any doubt or hint in the movie that he survived. Sam Raimi, nor anyone affiliated with the movies said he was supposed to have lived. You're just making your own assumptions again with no basis.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

I missed the POVs shots on TASM2.

Don't know why Marc abandoned it.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Agreed. Though I think they made it worse than average.

I certainly didnt think it was a bad movie, it had a mixture of very good and very bad, making it average to me.

You keep saying that but nobody is buying it. Webb shares the blame in making this movie worse than it should have been, along with Sony. They are both to blame.

Kafka, Electro's storyline and Rhino's scenes were all Webb, some other poor things were as well.

 

[Spider-knight]

I certainly didnt think it was a bad movie, it had a mixture of very good and very bad, making it average to me.



Kafka, Electro's storyline and Rhino's scenes were all Webb, some other poor things were as well.

Actually other things were altered and edited by Sony. If you read the rough cut thread you'd know that Webb originally had some ideas for the movie

 

[Nemeres]

A lot of the praise the TASM series has received thus far, however much that is, has been aimed at Webb and his direction. Even if by extension, considering the casting of the (pretty highly regarded) leads was his doing. I believe/hope it should be as simple as finally getting a competent script in place and learning from past mistakes. Considering how well some of the character stuff has been nailed, I'd say it could get much, much worse than Webb. Would those elements have been just as good under... Chris Columbus? Zack Snyder? Bryan Singer? Or any of the whatevers they would line up to replace him, should this turn into an Ant-Man-like scenario?

His style suits the character really well, it's most definitely an asset... so it would be a shame to see him dropped. All they need is to retool their thinking for what a movie like this needs to be.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

That's what bothered me about the second film. It angers me how Peter cares more for his parents than his aunt and uncle. Edited or not THAT is what bothered me the most and I am glad they're dead. It's great that he cared for his uncle in the first film and at times his aunt in this film but I hope to never see or hear his parents ever again in the next. I do like some story with them in the next film but give uncle ben and aunt may some respect

Watched the first 10 minutes that IGN put online this morning. This is the biggest problem I have with Marc Webb and to me shows a lack of understanding of the character. Aunt May brings up Ben and he's blows it off and mentions his parents instead. Also there's two "Ghost Cpt Stacy" sightings. Uncle Ben and Aunt May are more important the Cpt. Stacy and his parents (since Uncle Ben and Aunt May basically are his parents). That entire graduation scene perfectly shows the problems I have with Marc Webb's Spider-man actually.

 

[Spider-knight]

Watched the first 10 minutes that IGN put online this morning. This is the biggest problem I have with Marc Webb and to me shows a lack of understanding of the character. Aunt May brings up Ben and he's blows it off and mentions his parents instead. Also there's two "Ghost Cpt Stacy" sightings. Uncle Ben and Aunt May are more important the Cpt. Stacy and his parents (since Uncle Ben and Aunt May basically are his parents). That entire graduation scene perfectly shows the problems I have with Marc Webb's Spider-man actually.

the funny thing is that extended version actually has importance to ben. but it still pisses me off how aunt may and uncle ben get no respect. i hope the fan edited version cuts that line off.

i really hope the sequel actually gives ben and aunt may some respect

 

[Marvel Spider]

the funny thing is that extended version actually has importance to ben. but it still pisses me off how aunt may and uncle ben get no respect. i hope the fan edited version cuts that line off.

i really hope the sequel actually gives ben and aunt may some respect

I don't think the extended version you speak of exists. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Frodo]

I know that Sony was trying to go a different direction with the whole untold legend of his parents stuff, but what they didn't get was that for the GA, Aunt May and Uncle Ben were enough. There was no great outcry from the fans or anybody else for a plot about Peter's parents . Sony were basically answering a question no one asked nor cared about. The issue with his parents have always been problematic anyway even in the comics .

I know they were trying to go the Ultimates route but they were also trying to do a Potter/ Skywalker-esque type storyline with the Sins and actions of the parents visited on the child. The problem is the parents really play zero role in what has made the Spiderman character endure for so long. I know the goal is to carry the torch and add to the canon but its got to be a story worth telling not just doing something for the sake of being different .

 

[Andrew Lucas]

I don't think the extended version you speak of exists. I'll believe it when I see it.

The way you said that...mad me laugh somehow

 

[Daltonio]

I love the guy so I'll really be disappointed if he's replaced.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I'd actually be happy if he got replaced, but more for him than the franchise. I really want him to go back to doing movies more like (500) Days of Summer than him wasting his time with another potentially subpar Spider-Man movie. The guy's been micromanaged and it shows in the movies.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I just think Webb is out of his element in this genre, period. The films display no feel for the characters or the material in general. He should go back to rom-coms, or anything else he wants to direct but stay away from CB films. Studio interference was obviously an issue, but so was Webb's rudderless uninspired vision. TASM 2 is just an AWFUL, hackneyed mess all around.