The Marvel "Did you know?" thread

[IBRAH08]

Huh?

So there was still Donald Blake right...?

Yeah. But he had THor's powers as opposed to them going back and forth, sharing the same existence

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Huh?

So there was still Donald Blake right...?

Yes, there was actually only Donald Blake. It was like when Eric Masterson was Thor--Mjolnir transformed his body into a duplicate of Thor's, but it was still 100% Eric. Back in the first few Journey into Mystery issues, it was 100% Blake, he just had Thor's power. Then when Lee started introducing more Asgardians and such, he just quietly pretended that Thor was in fact Thor all along and then revealed that Odin had banished him to the form of Donald Blake many years ago as penance for his arrogance.

They should turn that Cap story into a What If ? .

They turned it into The Life and Times of Savior 28 from IDW. Pretty much the exact same story, although Savior 28 has more Superman-like powers as opposed to just being a Cap analogue.

 

[Harlekin]

You know what's fascinating is that Gruenwald approved the above Cap story, which if was executed, Cap would've NEVER been able to stay on as leader of the Avengers given his change of ideals.

A couple of years later, Gruenwald and Stern had their pissing match about Cap being the leader of the Avengers instead of Captain Marvel/Photon.

It's like he (Gruenwald) did a complete about-face regarding the direction of Cap.....

Gruenwald wasn't writing Cap at the time of Matteis' ideas.

 

[runawayboulder]

Gruenwald wasn't writing Cap at the time of Matteis' ideas.

Yeah I know. He was the editor for Cap during that run and was also the editor for Avengers. My point was he approved a story that would've made it impossible for Cap to be the leader of the Avengers but then had a falling out with Stern over Cap leading the Avengers. The 2 runs were only a couple of years apart and if the original plan DeMatteis had went through it would've probably stretched into what Stern's was doing on Avengers.

 

[SuperFerret]

Who was leader of the Avengers at the time this story would've taken place? Perhaps it was more of a "I don't want Captain Marvel as leader" than a "I want Captain America to be the leader" type of thing?

 

[Themanofbat]

Did you know: the name of the security guard that asked Spider-Man/Peter Parker to stop the burglar (as shown in Amazing Fantasy #15) is Baxter Bigelow.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Did you know that the Absorbing Man was, for a very brief time, a convert to the Church of Thor?

 

[Tron Bonne]

Did you know that Grant Morrison was one of the people behind the Ultimate comic concept, but never wrote anything for it since he realized how pointless the idea ultimately was (okay, so I made up that last bit, but it's a good assumption I think )

 

[Spider-Vader]

This is an interesting thread! Hope it doesn't die.

 

[runawayboulder]

Who was leader of the Avengers at the time this story would've taken place? Perhaps it was more of a "I don't want Captain Marvel as leader" than a "I want Captain America to be the leader" type of thing?

Cap #300 came out in December 1984. That same month Avengers #250 came out and Cap wasn't on the roster......until he returned the very next issue #251 (Cap #301), but he was not on the active roster yet. The roster only allowed 7 active members.

Mark Gruenwald (editor for both books) actually addressed the fact in Avengers #250's letter page that the events that happened in Cap #295-300 took place between Avengers #250-251.

To answer your question the Wasp was the leader while Cap wasn't around. When he came back in 251, she disappeared the very next issue. The writer as Roger Stern, who started his run in Avengers #227. My guess is with Cap coming back he had to sacrifice a member to make room for Cap. He obviously wasn't going to get rid of Captain Marvel (who he brought on the book with his first issue and was very fond of) or Scarlet Witch (since Vision was on the team). The next logical choice must have been Wasp, since she was the leader of the team and Hank was not around after the Yellowjacket trial story that had recently occured.

 

[The Question]

Did you know that Grant Morrison was one of the people behind the Ultimate comic concept, but never wrote anything for it since he realized how pointless the idea ultimately was (okay, so I made up that last bit, but it's a good assumption I think )

No, he never wrote anything for it because his attention wandered to other projects he had more of an invested interest in.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Nah, I like my theory better

 

[TheCorpulent1]

No, he never wrote anything for it because his attention wandered to other projects he had more of an invested interest in.

So what you're saying is that Grant Morrison thinks the Ultimate line is boring and pointless, then?

 

[Harlekin]

Yeah I know. He was the editor for Cap during that run and was also the editor for Avengers. My point was he approved a story that would've made it impossible for Cap to be the leader of the Avengers but then had a falling out with Stern over Cap leading the Avengers. The 2 runs were only a couple of years apart and if the original plan DeMatteis had went through it would've probably stretched into what Stern's was doing on Avengers.

What I mean is: Gruenwald probably changed his mind when he himself became the writer of Captain America. By all accounts, he was a fair, decent man and he was a fantastic writer. Doesn't mean he wasn't susceptible to ego. When DeMatteis brought his plans up, there was no personal investment for Gruenwald. There was later on.

 

[Drz]

Did you know that Grant Morrison was one of the people behind the Ultimate comic concept, but never wrote anything for it since he realized how pointless the idea ultimately was (okay, so I made up that last bit, but it's a good assumption I think )

He came up with Thor, it's pretty evident. He couldn't write for Ultimate Marvel because he was switching to DC and he and Millar stopped being that close friends.

 

[Tron Bonne]

He came up with Thor, it's pretty evident. He couldn't write for Ultimate Marvel because he was switching to DC and he and Millar stopped being that close friends.

It is? First I heard of that, I thought he just contributed to the general concept, but never did any actual work or input into it.

 

[Drz]

I don't remember where i read it, but i read this big discussion about why Morrison and Millar aint friends. Among the text there we're talks how Morrison came up with Ultimate Thor for Ultimates. It kinda makes sense don't you think? If i describe a character like this: Man turns 30 and has a shocking revelation where he believes he is the son of a allmighty god who send him to save earth. Do you think of Millar or Morrison?

 

[SuperFerret]

Yeah, the concept of Ultimate Thor sounds very Morrisonian.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I don't remember where i read it, but i read this big discussion about why Morrison and Millar aint friends. Among the text there we're talks how Morrison came up with Ultimate Thor for Ultimates. It kinda makes sense don't you think? If i describe a character like this: Man turns 30 and has a shocking revelation where he believes he is the son of a allmighty god who send him to save earth. Do you think of Millar or Morrison?

The concept doesn't really strike me as belonging to one or the other, kind of seems fairly general, but yeah, I guess I would except something like from Morrison before I would Millar.

 

[Drz]

The concept doesn't really strike me as belonging to one or the other, kind of seems fairly general, but yeah, I guess I would except something like from Morrison before I would Millar.

I could always be wrong, but Millar and Morrison we're bros back then. Now Morrison is like Obi Wan Kenobi, Millar is Anakin Skywalker and Geoff Johns is Luke Skywalker.

 

[Artistsean]

Did you know: that Marvel's Namor was created first, in 1939, while DC's Aquaman was created in 1941?

Did you know: Thanos was created 3 years after Darkseid first appeared in DC's Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen in 1970?

Did you know: Doom Patrol was created in June 1963, while X-Men were created in September 1963. I read some place that the creator of Doom Patrol thinks X-Men was a rip off of his idea but that they were created so close together that its not likely or at least not likely to be proven.

Did you know: Sentry was created saying he was a character Stan Lee missplaced years ago (It was reported in Wizard Magazine), and a whole story was created around that and sold. Then later Wizard magazine came out and confessed that it was ALL a lie, a big April Fools joke. The man who was credited with collaborating with Stan lee was named Artie Rosen (letteriers Artie Simek and Sam Rosen)

 

[Karelia]

Edit.

 

[Themanofbat]

Did you know: That Marvel's Man-Thing first appeared one month before DC's Swamp Thing... making Man-Thing the original muck monster.

 

[gn6196]

Did you know that Rick jones took some form of acid in a Captain Marvel comic book ( Might have been # 41) and that book went unmolested by the comics code?

 

[PaleRider]

Did you know: That Marvel's Man-Thing first appeared one month before DC's Swamp Thing... making Man-Thing the original muck monster.

I just read how man-thing was kind of made because of an older comic character called the Heap. Same basic origin to from what I heard, I have one Heap comic but it doesn't cover his origin.