The McCain Thread

[The Senator]

I agree, he doesn't seem to be angry at America. But the fact that his wife is just not, proud of America.......does make me question what they talk about at the dinner table.

If you asked Sarah Palin about this, I'm sure she'd say that the Obamas talk about killing unwanted children, blowing up government buildings, and making the U.S. look a little more like the Soviet Union...

 

[Kelly]

I didnt say whether or not Obama hates America...I said his close relationship with Wright is fair game for a campaign to criticisize.

Sure it is, they were very close.

As I said, I don't believe Obama hates America.....he better not, because I don't know that he could have made it to the presidency of any other country as quickly as he did here.......BUT, I have a hard time believing that he did not know that Wright felt this way, OR that he had never heard him say this type of stuff from the pulpit. He said he was in church usually 2x a month, and he never heard speech like that............I call bullhockey.

 

[The Major]

Sure it is, they were very close.

As I said, I don't believe Obama hates America.....he better not, because I don't know that he could have made it to the presidency of any other country as quickly as he did here.......BUT, I have a hard time believing that he did not know that Wright felt this way, OR that he had never heard him say this type of stuff from the pulpit. He said he was in church usually 2x a month, and he never heard speech like that............I call bullhockey.

Agreed.

That said, "loving" your country can lead to bad things.

It's good for people to have some skepticism about the nation they are citizens of.

Especially countries which have such a terrible history with minorities like America.

 

[Heretic]

Im glad that people have open minds about this. Obama absolutely knew about his pastors views, and i dont believe for a second that he wasnt there for some of that. In fact, Reverend wright even claims to have been at the press conference where Obama threw him under the bus. he says they prayed together and then Wright stayed downstairs, Obama went up and did the speech and then they met back up. I would hope that Obama isnt quite as hate filled about this country as his preacher (and I am sure thaat he is not) but the subject is worth questioning if youre his opponent. The people judged the issue and decided it was a non factor...so there you go.

 

[Oddzball]

So yeah...right wing stuff got totally out of hand...but so did the left wing stuff. The difference is that the democrats let their media outlets and kooks do all of their dirty work for them. Both parties know exactly what goes on with those groups, and they approve, but republicans arent savvy enough to not play into the bizarre accusations. .

You should become familiar with names like Rove and Corsi and Drudge. Republicans have long mastered their wilder supporters and direct them quite effectively.

 

[marukisu]

1 Sarah Palin's unqualfications for a job he chose her for. (Shows what types of decisions he might make when he is in a bind)

2 His age and illness and the thought of unqualified Sarah taking over.

3 His campaign and his views which were to similar to Bush's

 

[kronos251]

1. Economy (He would have fared better had the main focus been on terrorism and overseas. Inconvenient timing for McCain.)
2. Negativity/"Fear politics"
3. Media (negative press, his age, Sarah Palin, etc.)

Exactamente.

 

[Nirvana]

1- Age
2- Palin
3- Republican

 

[Mister Sinister]

1. Sarah Palin
2. W
3. He wasn't the better candidate

 

[Matt]

I gotta agree

1. McCain's painfully awful and completely incompetent surrogates and campaign staff
2. The top of the ticket's inability to control their crowds, on the fly. Ex, the let them say ******ed things ON CAMERA and ignored it, whereas Obama stopped the booing immediately with a catchy phrase, "don't boo, vote!"
3. Not able to run a 21 century campaign, too much good ole style not enough flexibility or youth/minority/non-nuclear family/secular push. They missed out on HUGE voting blocks.

Except these aren't huge voting blocks and do not normally show up at the polls. Hell, even in this historic election where they had, "record turn out," their record turn out was only about 15 % of their eligible voters

 

[souvlaki]

Okay, MSNBC is leaking portions of the conversation between McCain and Obama as they are happening right now. What I don't understand is that there are only four people in that room right now. How is this stuff getting out?

 

[Anita18]

Okay, MSNBC is leaking portions of the conversation between McCain and Obama as they are happening right now. What I don't understand is that there are only four people in that room right now. How is this stuff getting out?

CNN just aired a little bit of it. With all of the flashbulbs going off, it sure seems like there are a lot more than 4 people in that room...

 

[Heretic]

Those arent flashbulbs, those are the stars in McCains eyes because he's talking to "the one".

 

[souvlaki]

Those arent flashbulbs, those are the stars in McCains eyes because he's talking to "the one".

 

[souvlaki]

CNN just aired a little bit of it. With all of the flashbulbs going off, it sure seems like there are a lot more than 4 people in that room...

Really? I thought it was only going to be McCain, Graham, Obama and Emanuel in that room. Kind of defeats the purpose of having a meeting if the media is invited, unless the purpose of the meeting was just so Obama and McCain could have a photo-op together.

 

[Anita18]

Those arent flashbulbs, those are the stars in McCains eyes because he's talking to "the one".

Behind him on the wall? Those are some powerful stars in McCain's eyes.

Really? I thought it was only going to be McCain, Graham, Obama and Emanuel in that room. Kind of defeats the purpose of having a meeting if the media is invited, unless the purpose of the meeting was just so Obama and McCain could have a photo-op together.

From the 10 seconds CNN aired, it was McCain and Obama sitting on opposite couches, chatting kind of awkwardly (considering all those flashbulbs, just how is one supposed to have a conversation?) with a US flag in the background.

Edit: Make that THREE US flags. And I think they just mentioned it was a 90 second photo op. I think the media got kicked out afterwards. Oh, they just panned to some dude on McCain's right. That might be Graham.

 

[souvlaki]

Well, I guess this excludes any possibility of McCain being offered a cabinet position... unless of course Obama wants that offer spread across the country before he even has a chance to finish his sentence. I didn't expect it to happen, nor did I really want it, but it crossed my mind once or twice before I realized what a media circus the meeting actually is.

 

[Marx]

Those arent flashbulbs, those are the stars in McCains eyes because he's talking to "the one".

Or dellusions of grandeur that were caused by the explosion of his horrific campaign in his face.

 

[Heretic]

Or dellusions of grandeur that were caused by the explosion of his horrific campaign in his face.

Dellusions of grandeur? I think youre mistaking that with senility.

 

[Marx]

Dellusions of grandeur? I think youre mistaking that with senility.

Or that too.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno...it just makes McCain (and Palin for that matter) seems like total Dbags.

I mean, either they're lying to us about what they felt was a 'dangerous' Obama. Or they're lying to us about 'wanting to work with him across the aisle'.

Choose one! You can't condemn the man and claim him to be the most unamerican, terrorist-friendly candidate in the history of the U.S., and then be like 'cool whatever, he's cool'.

I mean, it's real ******** to see it happening. Either they're unamerican cowards or they're really nasty, mudslinging politicians.

Clearly, I think I know which one they are.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, my top 3 reasons?

1- economic failure.
2- stupid ****ing polictical stunts/gaffes ("The fundamentals of the economy are still strong", "I'm suspending my campaign", the possibilty of wiggling out of the first debate, and Joe the Plumber annoyed everyone. everyone.
3- George W. Bush. I think this bastard was like an anvil that weighed down on McCain, and really would have sunk ANY Republican candidate. Nobody likes W. Everyone hates him. Everyone, even his 'friends', knows he's political poison.

And my 4th? Palin's 'unreadiness'. Or, her lack of 'smarts'. I think she was a real asset from the start. But the more we learned about her, the more we couldn't see her as VP.

In the end, McCain hurt himself way too much still. Horribly run campaign. Too much mudslinging on his part. Too much drama.

 

[Matt]

I dunno...it just makes McCain (and Palin for that matter) seems like total Dbags.

I mean, either they're lying to us about what they felt was a 'dangerous' Obama. Or they're lying to us about 'wanting to work with him across the aisle'.

Choose one! You can't condemn the man and claim him to be the most unamerican, terrorist-friendly candidate in the history of the U.S., and then be like 'cool whatever, he's cool'.

I mean, it's real ******** to see it happening. Either they're unamerican cowards or they're really nasty, mudslinging politicians.

Clearly, I think I know which one they are.

Comeon, that's just the game. It is no different than Obama spending months on the campaign trail, comparing McCain to Bush and citing his own superior judgement for opposing the Iraq war, only to not only accept but embrace the edorsement of one of the war's architects and even go as far as to say that person will have a place in his administration if he wants it.

 

[The Senator]

McCAIN TO BE NAMED SECRETARY OF OLD PEOPLE
http://wonkette.com/404419/mccain-to-be-named-secretary-of-old-people

 

[Kelly]

Comeon, that's just the game. It is no different than Obama spending months on the campaign trail, comparing McCain to Bush and citing his own superior judgement for opposing the Iraq war, only to not only accept but embrace the edorsement of one of the war's architects and even go as far as to say that person will have a place in his administration if he wants it.

Or the fact that.....OBAMA'S OWN VICE PRESIDENT SAID HE WASN'T READY....................god the bipartisan double standard around this place with some of you is almost vomit inducing....


Not speaking of you Matt, but the person you replied to among a few others....