The McCain Thread

[hippie_hunter]

They might be more in agreement with McCain on offshore drilling, but on the economy, I doubt they are more in allignment with McCain. the economy is at the forefront as you said. The country does not believe that Bush has done a good job managing the economy, and McCain supports an extension of the Bush economic policies. The country does not agree with huge tax cuts for the rich.

Apparently McCain doesn't even agree with himself on pork barrel spending, considering he voted to give 3 million dollars last year to study the dna of bears, and then went on to talk about how stupid the government was for wasting 3 million dollars on studying the dna of bears.

Yes they are more in line with McCain. Polling even shows this. Most Americans support McCain's ideas for the economy such as opposition to the capital gains tax (which Obama supports), a gas tax holiday, drilling for oil within the United States, NAFTA (which Obama tries to show himself as a moderate opponent to it), the Bush tax cuts, etc. I've mentioned this to you before as well.

And McCain criticized spending $3 million to study bear DNA. He didn't vote for the bear DNA study. He voted for the bill that it was stupidly put into.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Why would they see it that way? Because of the things he's already said?


“I didn’t pay nearly the attention to those issues in the past.” [Jan. 2000]

“I’m going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated.” [Nov. 2005]

“The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should,” but “I’ve got Greenspan’s book.” [Dec. 2007]

True. He should have kept his mouth shut on that

 

[Überlibran]

True. He should have kept his mouth shut on that

Yep, especially when later he lied and stated that he never said that.

 

[Kelly]

Do you really believe that Kel? Seriously?

Am I willing to consider it Uber? yeah.....I am....................just like I was willing to consider that Obama had not heard all of the hate preaching that his pastor of 20 years had been preaching....


So yeah, I can consider that.......


Seriously.......

 

[StorminNorman]

Lieberman and Romney would be good choices IMO.

Since Lieberman was formerly a Democrat, he can really fit into the moderate angle McCain wants and help get the independent vote. It can also help him with New Hampshire, the Jewish vote in Florida, and maybe even Connecticut since Lieberman is very popular in that state.

Lieberman helps with moderates, but it further hurts McCain with the core Republican base. Again - McCain needs not only the votes of the right, but the money and manpower. Picking Lieberman would be seen as another insult in their eyes.

Romney can help McCain out with the economic angle of the election since the economy is the forefront of the election, and even though most Americans agree with what McCain says, they trust Obama more for some reason with the economy and see it as McCain's weak point. He can also help taking Michigan since that is a close race there.

Romney is honestly the best all around pick for McCain. He helps with Republicans, he helps in key states (Michigan and Mormon rich Mountain West), he is an economic guru to balance out McCain's foriegn policy. McCain not picking Romney proves that he cares more about his ego than winning this election which is a bad sign for his campaign.

 

[rdh007]

Hair aside, Romney vs. Biden would make for good VP debates and they'd both be people you could take seriously in that role. (As opposed to Quayle or Stockdale or to some extent Bentsen--Gore was clearly the class of late 80s/early 90s veep candidates)

 

[StorminNorman]

No love for Jack Kemp?

 

[Überlibran]

Am I willing to consider it Uber? yeah.....I am....................just like I was willing to consider that Obama had not heard all of the hate preaching that his pastor of 20 years had been preaching....


So yeah, I can consider that.......


Seriously.......

20 years of hate preaching? If you think that's what Jeremiah Wright preached, it's a little simplistic. If you're referring to 'goddamn america', sermon, I know you know this, but he's talking about the American government's moral failings to its people. I'm sure you've seen it in context but here it is for the folks who haven't: I don't believe America is beyond reproach when it comes to being taken to task for it's failings. As they say, dissent can be the highest form of patriotism. And the tone of his sermon might seem angry for people who've never been to a black church, but it's common.

 

[StorminNorman]

20 years of hate preaching? If you think that's what Jeremiah Wright preached, it's a little simplistic. If you're referring to 'goddamn america', sermon, I know you know this, but he's talking about the American government's moral failings to its people. I'm sure you've seen it in context but here it is for the folks who haven't: I don't believe America is beyond reproach when it comes to being taken to task for it's failings. As they say, dissent can be the highest form of patriotism. And the tone of his sermon might seem angry for people who've never been to a black church, but it's common.

I think Kel was more referencing the various anti-white sermons from Wright, over anything else.

Trying to defend Wright is a lost cause, sir.

 

[Überlibran]

I think Kel was more referencing the various anti-white sermons from Wright, over anything else.

Trying to defend Wright is a lost cause, sir.

Not in my mind, the crazy thing it is . You're referring to 'Hillary ain't never been called a ******' quote then? Well, it's true. But then again, John McCain has called his captors 'gooks' and has stated that he will 'always hate those gooks as long as I live' and people don't think this is necessarily racist because it was toward his captors, who were horrid, horrid men. But still, it casts an aspersion towards a whole race. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml

 

[StorminNorman]

Not in my mind, the crazy thing it is . You're referring to 'Hillary ain't never been called a ******' quote then? Well, it's true. But then again, John McCain has called his captors 'gooks' and has stated that he will 'always hate those gooks as long as I live' and people don't think this is necessarily racist because it was toward his captors, who were horrid, horrid men. But still, it casts an aspersion towards a whole race. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml

I don't think McCain was referring to all Vietnamese people when he said "Gooks", only those who captured him.

 

[kainedamo]

I don't think McCain was referring to all Vietnamese people when he said "Gooks", only those who captured him.

So does this mean I can call black people I don't like the N word?

 

[StorminNorman]

So does this mean I can call black people I don't like the N word?

If you are beaten, and tortured by them? Yes, I think thats acceptable.

 

[hippie_hunter]

If you are beaten, and tortured by them? Yes, I think thats acceptable.

I wouldn't think acceptable, but understandable is more like it IMO.

 

[StorminNorman]

I wouldn't think acceptable, but understandable is more like it IMO.

I would agree with this.

 

[jaguarr]

So does this mean I can call black people I don't like the N word?

If you are beaten, and tortured by them? Yes, I think thats acceptable.

Can we have this put to the test?

jag

 

[kainedamo]

If you are beaten, and tortured by them? Yes, I think thats acceptable.

But its not acceptable for Wright to show the slightest inkling of bitterness?

What a double standard.

 

[The Senator]

I don't think it is acceptable or understandable at all to use a racial epithet to generalize an entire of race of people, simply because you were beaten and tortured by a few of their militants. Basically, McCain thinks that he can go around calling the Vietnamese "gooks" because he's entitled to. Because, like the way he approaches everything else, he was tortured for five years and that gives him a right to say and do just about everything he wants. He can up and leave his wife because she's not good enough, he can run for the Senate, and he can use a slur to describe an entire group of people. It shows how classless and tasteless this man really is, and highlights his vast arrogance.

 

[rdh007]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12619.html

If he announces his running mate in Ohio, that can mean only one man:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Portman

Spoiler

or it could mean Boehner

 

[Marx]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12619.html

If he announces his running mate in Ohio, that can mean only one man:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Portman

Spoiler

or it could mean Boehner

NOOO!!!!

 

[rdh007]

Why? Would an Ohioan on the ticket leave you conflicted? Or lose your state?

 

[Marx]

Why? Would an Ohioan on the ticket leave you conflicted? Or lose your state?

It wouldn't leave me conflicted. I can't stand Boehner or Portman!

 

[The Senator]

Well, I don't know if it is definitely Portman. Considering Mitt Romney doesn't have a home state (he's disliked immensely in Massachusetts and he can barely call Michigan "Mitt Country"), McCain can pretty much make the announcement anywhere he pleases. Also, since McCain is apparently spending one of the following days in Pennsylvania, Tom Ridge could also be in the running. But Portman would make the most sense, considering Ohio is his homestate and he is an economic expert in that economically-stagnant state.

So I'm guessing Portman, Romney and Ridge are the top contenders.

 

[StorminNorman]

But its not acceptable for Wright to show the slightest inkling of bitterness?

What a double standard.

If Wright was personally addressing any men who acted hostile to him - that is one thing, that would be comparable.

Wright was painting an entire race with an evil brush - McCain was not.

 

[The Senator]

Wright was painting an entire race with an evil brush - McCain was not.

I fail to see how referring to an entire race of people as "gooks" isn't generalizing