The McCain Thread

[Heretic]

hmm..... anyway what does everyone think of the meeting taking place Monday between McCain and Obama. Think he will offer him a post or set a agenda they both can work together on in the senate?

McCain is an american hero who would be incredibly valuable in a number of positions. His health care policy would not be one of them.

 

[The Senator]

I would prefer that McCain is not involved in an Obama administration. In my opinion, there are very few stances he has on the issues which would be good for this country. The only position I see him fit for is Secretary of the Interior, and even then, I don't think he should be the one in that role.

 

[The Major]

McCain is an american hero who would be incredibly valuable in a number of positions. His health care policy would not be one of them.

Being an American hero doesn't mean Obama owes him anything.

Especially not after McCain's horrific campaign.

What can McCain do that benefits Obama's administration that no-one else can?

 

[Doomed_hero]

I think they are going to work out a deal to put politics aside and try and bring the ountry together. There are some issues they could work closely togther esp global warming. I think McCain will stay in the senate and help support things they may agree on...hopefully anyway, if its the old McCain bck, but him going to this meeting I think shows its possible.

 

[Gilpesh]

McCain is an american hero who would be incredibly valuable in a number of positions. His health care policy would not be one of them.

I don't think the positions that matter need a daddy's boy who will, "Take his field and go home," if he doesn't get his way.

 

[Heretic]

Okay, youre right...McCain is an idiot who couldnt possibly serve his country in any meaningful way...you got me on that one.

You know, you guys might be overly partisan, but it still doesnt erase the act that McCain actually HAS done great things for his country (even if I do think he would have been a lousy president)

 

[The Major]

You know, you guys might be overly partisan, but it still doesnt erase the act that McCain actually HAS done great things for his country (even if I do think he would have been a lousy president)

Many politicians do good things for the country.

The only difference between them and McCain is they didn't sell their soul to Bush or lose in an election with a campaign that was disgraceful.

McCain should be grateful Obama's paying him any friendly attention at all.

 

[Heretic]

Many politicians do good things for the country.

The only difference between them and McCain is they didn't sell their soul to Bush or lose in an election with a campaign that was disgraceful.

McCain should be grateful Obama's paying him any friendly attention at all.

Oh please, the campaign wasnt THAT bad. Sure, that Bill Ayers stuff was...okay...that was....nevermind...I cant defend that.

But campaigns are always tough and meanspirited. You act like the democrats never did a single slightly wrong thing during the campaign...oh wait...you liked Obama, and therefore it was okay to slander McCain and Palin.

 

[Oddzball]

Okay, youre right...McCain is an idiot who couldnt possibly serve his country in any meaningful way...you got me on that one.

You know, you guys might be overly partisan, but it still doesnt erase the act that McCain actually HAS done great things for his country (even if I do think he would have been a lousy president)

The McCain who has been described by Senators there as spending most of the time they were tyring to pass emergency legislation as standing with his arms folded across his chest and glowering at the working Senators is NOT a McCain the nation needs.

The Mcain who allowed slanders and libel directly from his campaign is not a McCain America needs.

He wants to belly up to the bar, he'd better pay his tab.

 

[The Major]

Oh please, the campaign wasnt THAT bad. Sure, that Bill Ayers stuff was...okay...that was....nevermind...I cant defend that.

Exactly.

But campaigns are always tough and meanspirited.

Not on McCain's level. He resorted to tactics he despised which were used on Max Cleland years ago, actually.

That's what happens when you employ the people who ran Bush's campaign.

You act like the democrats never did a single slightly wrong thing during the campaign

What did Obama do wrong in his campaign? It awe inspiring to watch.

Much better then Gore's and Kerry's.

...oh wait...you liked Obama, and therefore it was okay to slander McCain and Palin.

No, I'm calling McCain and Palin out on what they have done.

Palin and McCain are guilty of doing incredibly disgusting things in the campaign to appeal to the racist, ignorant vote.

"That one", Joe the Plumber (more like Sam the Tax Evader), calling Obama a socialist, a terrorist, McCain not be able to control Palin, McCain changing his mind every week, "The ecomony is strong", Ayes, Wright, "spreading the wealth", "Bomb bomb bomb Iran" etc. It never ends.

 

[Heretic]

The McCain who has been described by Senators there as spending most of the time they were tyring to pass emergency legislation as standing with his arms folded across his chest and glowering at the working Senators is NOT a McCain the nation needs.

The Mcain who allowed slanders and libel directly from his campaign is not a McCain America needs.

He wants to belly up to the bar, he'd better pay his tab.

Oh whatever...democrats were always going to say that McCain hurt the process...its their partisanship.

I could turn it around and say that Obama wasnt even there, and a senator who rarely bothered to vote and didnt care enough to show up shouldnt be president, and a campaign that allows the kind of slander of palin shouldnt be president either...but you know what...those arguments would be BS, as are yours about McCain.

 

[The Major]

Oh whatever...democrats were always going to say that McCain hurt the process...its their partisanship.

No, Democrats expected a respectful campaign from McCain. Obama did, too.

When McCain's campaign went into Bush territory right away it was pitiful to see.

I could turn it around and say that Obama wasnt even there, and a senator who rarely bothered to vote and didnt care enough to show up shouldnt be president,

1. Isn't McCain's voting record just as bad?

2. You're going to have to dig deeper then that for a reason why Obama shouldn't be president.

and a campaign that allows the kind of slander of palin shouldnt be president either

What did Obama's campaign or the media say about Palin that wasn't true?

...but you know what...those arguments would be BS, as are yours about McCain.

No, they aren't.

 

[Heretic]

Democrats are much smarter than republicans with their smears. They have outside organizations spread lies...palin wanted to ban Harry Potter books, Palin didnt give birth to her child, mocking McCain for not being able to use a computer, the democrats wisely let others do the trash talking and then ignorance at the party level.

McCains voting record isnt nearly as devoid of votes as Obamas...Obama breaks records with his no-shows or "present" votes. I could always say that Obama isnt qualified to be president because hes never run anything in his life (except that time when he was training Acorn, who is now very adept at election fraud...good going!

McCains attacks about Ayers were wrong...and a desperate last ditch effort by a campaign that was horribly run with no message of its own.

However, I see nothing wrong with going after Obama for his relationship with his minister. That was a tight knit relationship where Obama repeatedly said that Wright was a huge influence and blah blah blah. No one (including you) believes that Obama was never there for any of those anti american rants by Wright. Its a valid thing to explore.

Now, all that aside...I think Obama is qualified to be president. He wasnt my top choice (Hillary was) but hes a smart guy and can handle it. I disagree with almost all of his policies, and Im fairly sure that (like Bush) he wont really be in charge of much and will end up as a figurehead more than anything. But as far as "can he do the job" forgetting about my personal policy beliefs, yeah, he can. Clinton did a fine job, and I disagreed with him on most issues. Bush supposedly agreed with me on most things, and hes been an outright disgrace...so there you go.

 

[Oddzball]

Oh whatever...democrats were always going to say that McCain hurt the process...its their partisanship.

No. Partisanship would be declaring the McCain seen in 2000 was just an act, and McCain 2008 failed to pull it off again.

It's Obama's job to run the country. If McCain wants to join, he has some serious negatives on him now. Barrack Obama may be big enough to simply forgive John McCain's tresspasses against him and allow McCain in.

But McCain didn't stop the libel and slander machine his campaign turned into. He could have. He didn't. Hell, he joined the chorus when he accused Obama of having attacked the American Worker when Obama challenged McCain's claim that the fundamentals of the economy were sound as inaccurate. And that hardly was the only occasion.

Me? I think McCain owes I also think McCain just wants to be remembered well by History and is doing a kiss up.

 

[Oddzball]

Democrats are much smarter than republicans with their smears. They have outside organizations spread lies...palin wanted to ban Harry Potter books, Palin didnt give birth to her child, mocking McCain for not being able to use a computer, the democrats wisely let others do the trash talking and then ignorance at the party level.

McCains voting record isnt nearly as devoid of votes as Obamas...Obama breaks records with his no-shows or "present" votes. I could always say that Obama isnt qualified to be president because hes never run anything in his life (except that time when he was training Acorn, who is now very adept at election fraud...good going!

McCains attacks about Ayers were wrong...and a desperate last ditch effort by a campaign that was horribly run with no message of its own.

However, I see nothing wrong with going after Obama for his relationship with his minister. That was a tight knit relationship where Obama repeatedly said that Wright was a huge influence and blah blah blah. No one (including you) believes that Obama was never there for any of those anti american rants by Wright. Its a valid thing to explore.

Now, all that aside...I think Obama is qualified to be president. He wasnt my top choice (Hillary was) but hes a smart guy and can handle it. I disagree with almost all of his policies, and Im fairly sure that (like Bush) he wont really be in charge of much and will end up as a figurehead more than anything. But as far as "can he do the job" forgetting about my personal policy beliefs, yeah, he can. Clinton did a fine job, and I disagreed with him on most issues. Bush supposedly agreed with me on most things, and hes been an outright disgrace...so there you go.

This is patently silly. And Apples to Stones rather than Apples to Oranges. The challenge was to cite Obama's campaign. You're citing private citizens who weren't part of it.

Do you really want to see the filth spread by the right wing that was not associated with McCain directly? I'm not aware of Death threats coming from Obama supports directed toward McCain.

Hint: Secret Muslim. Communist. Socialist. He didn't really go see his 'dying' grandmother. Was not born in the United States. McCain's disavowable people were quietly back pagedly disavowed by McCain. So what?

 

[Heretic]

The stuff that some right wing idiots spread was just...wow.

I had a conversation the other day with a woman who KNOWS FOR A FACT that Obama is a Muslim. I tried to tell her that he isnt and she was like "I thought you voted against him!" and I did...but that doesnt mean Im drinking the kool aid of psychopaths.

So yeah...right wing stuff got totally out of hand...but so did the left wing stuff. The difference is that the democrats let their media outlets and kooks do all of their dirty work for them. Both parties know exactly what goes on with those groups, and they approve, but republicans arent savvy enough to not play into the bizarre accusations.

Obamas actual campaign didnt have to slander McCain, he was in the lead the whole time and slander is what you do when youre behind in the polls (like McCain did).

But the worst of all the slander was given to palin, and most of the liberals I know laugh and laugh about how that ruined her image or what have you. Dont be a hypocrite. Speak out against it on both sides.

 

[The Major]

The stuff that some right wing idiots spread was just...wow.

I had a conversation the other day with a woman who KNOWS FOR A FACT that Obama is a Muslim. I tried to tell her that he isnt and she was like "I thought you voted against him!" and I did...but that doesnt mean Im drinking the kool aid of psychopaths.

McCain and Palin encouraged this behavior with their campaign.

Stuff like that was not tolerated by Obama.

So yeah...right wing stuff got totally out of hand...but so did the left wing stuff.

What things did the left wing do that compare in scope and number to right wing in the election?

The difference is that the democrats let their media outlets and kooks do all of their dirty work for them.

The difference is Obama made sure he didn't leave any openings for the emdia to attack him on. McCain and Palin continuously screwed up simple things.

The media has gone after Obama before. The primaries were brutal. Wright was on every channel for months.

Who were the "kooks"?

Both parties know exactly what goes on with those groups, and they approve, but republicans arent savvy enough to not play into the bizarre accusations.

Republicans have heavily relied on these people to stay in power since 2000.

Obamas actual campaign didnt have to slander McCain, he was in the lead the whole time and slander is what you do when youre behind in the polls (like McCain did).

Ever wonder why he was able to this but McCain couldn't?

But the worst of all the slander was given to palin, and most of the liberals I know laugh and laugh about how that ruined her image or what have you.

Palin didn't need anybody's help to ruin her image. She did that all on her own.

Dont be a hypocrite. Speak out against it on both sides.

Both sides arent equal.Democrats can and have done stuff like this before but the Republicans are masters of it. It was one of the primary reasons Bush won in 2000 and 2004 while McCain lost in 2008.

 

[Heretic]

I dot really have to point out who the left wing kooks are do I??? Maybe you think there is no such thing.

The worst smears of the campaign were the ones about Palin not birthing her own son. You cant blame Palin for that, it was the nonexistent left wing nuts. When her daughter got pregnant, they of course went after her...they attacked a teenager...and of course theres the story of how Palin tried to ban Harry Potter books years before the books were even released. I want democrats to come out against that sort of thing You say that Obama distanced himself from that stuff, but he did not. Hw simply ignored it. At no time did Obama EVER refute the kooks on his side, while McCain repeatedly did (the idiot who said Obama was an arab comes to mind).

I dont like palin. I find her to be utterly unqualified to be vice president, but the vast majority of the accusations that shaped public opinion on her were lies made up by left wing kooks.

 

[Gilpesh]

Um.... Obama's campaign didn't talk at all about those things. And he even said that family was off limits.



Also, if you looked it up.... FOUR Harry Potter books came out while she was mayor. The time when people were saying she wanted books banned.





Also, McCain didn't 'repeatedly' refute the kooks on his side once or twice is it.

 

[Heretic]

Um.... Obama's campaign didn't talk at all about those things. And he even said that family was off limits.



Also, if you looked it up.... FOUR Harry Potter books came out while she was mayor. The time when people were saying she wanted books banned.





Also, McCain didn't 'repeatedly' refute the kooks on his side once or twice is it.

Obama said family is off limits when HIS WIFE was being messed with. I dont ever recall Obama refuting the wacko claims of the fringe groups who did the democrats dirty work.

Palin did NOT try to ban Harry Potter books...but your left wing allegiance makes you defend the slander against her.

 

[The Battousai]

^ Partisan, much?

 

[Heretic]

^ Partisan, much?

Not at all. I cant stand George Bush, nor do i like McCain. Clinton was my horse in this race...so, I would say that no, Im not partisan.

But I do find it very partisan that Obama supporters cant think of a single unfair smear that anyone ever said about Palin.

 

[Gilpesh]

but your left wing allegiance makes you defend the slander against her.

Seriously. You should stop with the f**king assuming.

Obama said family is off limits when HIS WIFE was being messed with. I dont ever recall Obama refuting the wacko claims of the fringe groups who did the democrats dirty work.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/obama.palin/index.html

You don't recall. Cause you didn't look. First link on google.

Sen. Barack Obama said firmly that families are off-limits in the campaign for president, reacting to news that GOP running mate Sarah Palin's 17-year-old daughter is pregnant.

First line of the article.

Palin did NOT try to ban Harry Potter books...

Did I f**king say she tried to ban books in that post you quoted?

No. I said FOUR Harry Potter books came out during the time she was mayor... so um... you saying:

tried to ban Harry Potter books years before the books were even released

was completely wrong.

 

[Gilpesh]

But I do find it very partisan that Obama supporters cant think of a single unfair smear that anyone ever said about Palin.

You've just changed the question that people are asking. Someone wanted to know what the OBAMA CAMPAIGN smeared Palin with.... not some lefty nuts.

 

[Heretic]

okay, so the accusation has since changed to palin spending her entire career trying to ban harry Potter. The initial accusations i saw werent quite so broad.

Obama FIRST came out against attacking families when his wife was critisized for her comments about America. When asked, he had no choice but to continue that thought.

I swear, i wish one of you could think of ONE smear against palin that you thought was out of line...and didnt laugh your pants off upon hearing. All I keep hearing is "she deserved it" and all of that nonsense. Heck, were even to the point of refuting the very existence of left wing kooks!