The New Ghostbusters - Part 9

[Filmfan93]

Alright, even though it is early and the Top Critics is low, some people need to admit they are already surprised by this. Too many here thought this was a Fantastic Four or even BvS disaster. It clearly isn't.

The fact that it has a high RT score doesn't mean it's not garbage. There are many rotten films I like/love and vice versa.

Besides, I am pretty sure the rating will drop in the following days.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Duh, because the reviews and twitter reactions and everything started off positive before it became a nightmare and hit me with anvils. And way to remain objective Darth, to most people ID4 was not a bad movie.

I stated my opinion and I stand by it because it's my opinion - I've been personally blind sided too many times to jump the gun.

No, I'm just sick of you trying to turn everything into an argument and I know I'm not the only poster to feel that way. To which point you'll say I'm a banned poster because it simply can't be that others here are sick of you trying to make every small point people say into an argument. As said, I'm done here. Try it on someone else, don't have the time.

If you listen to twitter reaction, that is your fault. Anyone who has gone through this know it means nothing. People like ID4. I like it. I also find it to be a bad movie that I liked because I grew up in the 90s. BvS was a film from Snyder that there was plenty of talk of being not good before it is release. Not by the fans, but industry sources.

You didn't state an opinion. You said you had examples, then gave one, that you don't even know applies. It is not hard to say I have no idea because I just said something off hand without actually thinking about it. But you just can't admit you did that, so you make it about me.

 

[Kyle]

The fact that it has a high RT score doesn't mean it's not garbage. There are many rotten films I like/love and vice versa.

That would be bringing subjective into it. Objectively it would be decent to good to most. The odd thing here is the gap between general and top. I've never seen it have this wide of a gap before and that's the primary reason I'm going to stay cautious until it gets closer. Which one is closer to it? Will it be more in the middle of the two? It's hard to tell because it's a really wide margin, the widest I've seen - 50 points give or take between them. The median being 45-55%.

DarthYou didn't state an opinion. You said you had examples, then gave one, that you don't even know applies. It is not hard to say I have no idea because I just said something off hand without actually thinking about it. But you just can't admit you did that, so you make it about me.

Initial critic reviews were good. Hell, Genisys started off good. And with this wide of a margin - I find people saying "this will be trash" or "this will be great" to be jumping the gap way too soon. While I find my middle of the roads, cautiously optimistic to be in the middle. Unless, you seriously expect everyone to go "yay! General critics love it, top critics loathe it - I can't wait because it's 100% destined to be great now!" To me, that doesn't make a lick of sense until that gap decreases.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The fact that it has a high RT score doesn't mean it's not garbage. There are many rotten films I like/love and vice versa.

Besides, I am pretty sure the rating will drop in the following days.

Not about whether the movie is good or bad. Plenty of talk her that this was going to be an unmitigated disaster like the FF. Reviewed like one of the worst movies of the year. Still theoretically possible, but that would be a big turnaround. My money is on the low 60% right now.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Already has a critic consensus? I thought they would wait until at least 100 reviews to get a consensus. A bit shady IMO

This is really early. I believe BvS and Apocalypse had pre-100 reviews consensuses. I have seen it after 60 or so reviews, but I am having trouble of thinking of a film that will have well over 200 reviews and this happening.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Initial critic reviews were good. Hell, Genisys started off good. And with this wide of a margin - I find people saying "this will be trash" or "this will be great" to be jumping the gap way too soon. While I find my middle of the roads, cautiously optimistic to be in the middle. Unless, you seriously expect everyone to go "yay! General critics love it, top critics loathe it - I can't wait because it's 100% destined to be great now!" To me, that doesn't make a lick of sense until that gap decreases.

No one said it is great. The point is unless something crazy happens it isn't the unmitigated critical disaster plenty were predicting here, heck wanting here. Like you, who said you wanted it to fail.

 

[Lord Valumart]

The reviews mostly seem to read like "this movie is ok at best, but here's some waffle about the cast being good together rather than anything else. 3 stars"

 

[Zero_Effect]

Already has a critic consensus? I thought they would wait until at least 100 reviews to get a consensus. A bit shady IMO

They always do an early consensus on RT. It isnt something they are doing just for this movie.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They always do an early consensus on RT. It isnt something they are doing just for this movie.

I am honestly having trouble of thinking of one this early. Like pre-40 reviews.

 

[Kyle]

No one said it is great. The point is unless something crazy happens it isn't the unmitigated critical disaster plenty were predicting here, heck wanting here. Like you, who said you wanted it to fail.

If it was the film the marketing department was making it out to be, I'd want it to fail.

As said - if this sticks I want the marketing department to be fired a.s.a.p. because if they did make an average to good film look like a disaster - that's horrible and despicable marketing. Your marketing goal should be to get more people excited in it, not to build up controversy and throw out terrible trailers that receive triple the amount of dislikes than likes. In other words the marketing department did their worst job ever in making an average to good product to get among the worst word of mouth before a film is released ever (with the exception of F4 - but there it wasn't the marketing department's fault because that film was trash, so they could only promote trash).

If this sticks, I without a doubt want to see the marketing team behind this film fired.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The reviews mostly seem to read like "this movie is ok at best, but here's some waffle about the cast being good together rather than anything else. 3 stars"

The average is 6.5 right now, which is unspectacularly average on RT.

 

[Guts]

The average rating is a 6.6/10

 

[Zero_Effect]

I am honestly having trouble of thinking of one this early. Like pre-40 reviews.

They do it but if it drops they have changed the consensus.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If it was the film the marketing department was making it out to be, I'd want it to fail.

As said - if this sticks I want the marketing department to be fired a.s.a.p. because if they did make an average to good film look like a disaster - that's horrible and despicable marketing. Your marketing goal should be to get more people excited in it, not to build up controversy and throw out terrible trailers that receive triple the amount of dislikes than likes.

If this sticks, I without a doubt want to see the marketing team behind this film fired.

I think some of the in your face marketing was dumb as hell. But they also had to work with what they had. They couldn't fix the song, they couldn't suddenly make a Feig movie good for trailers. If I have learned anything about Feig films recently, they don't do well in trailer form. Perhaps they have trouble capturing his tone.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The average rating is a 6.6/10

It adjusted up again? Well what do you know, my bad.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They do it but if it drops they have changed the consensus.

I know they do it early. I remember being a bit shocked with how they handled X-Men a couple of months ago. And I know they adjust it and sometimes flat out change it. Man of Steel was a good example. But I can't remember it this early.

 

[Kyle]

But they also had to work with what they had.

If the film is average to good? I can't see how that's the case. How do you make an average to good final product look like trash to the point that it rakes in bad word of mouth, an amazing amount of dislikes on youtube, and making a ton of people turn their backs away going "what the hell?" Yeah, there was some controversy around Star Wars (I personally saw that there as being more at a corporate level (like merchandising companies not getting with the program), but might not be remembering that much) - but it didn't rake in dislikes like this film did so there was more at play than "all those dislikes were due to sexism." Many? I can see that, but not to the point it got to.

You even said you hardly laughed at any jokes in the trailer - of a comedy movie. If it is average to good, that means it has some average to good jokes in it - those should have been used over the ones that fell flat. We have had one member in here who has seen the film puzzled even over why they chose the jokes they did when the film according to that poster had ones that were a heck of a lot more funny.

If they had an average to good film to promote, there should be an average to good way to promote it - not making it out to look like a train wreck. As you said, all they had to work with was what they had - here that means all they had to work with was something that may be average to good and they made it look like trash to the masses.

I've never seen negative feedback to a Feig film personally outside of what films typically get. So, here it would still seem night and day to the response this got. Bridesmaids, I think - might be wrong, had a lot of positive word of mouth heading into it.

 

[Guts]

If anything the movie won't have a reception like this.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/cell_2016

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Wow. I'm impressed. Still not seeing it though.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If the film is average to good? I can't see how that's the case. How do you make an average to good final product look like trash to the point that it rakes in bad word of mouth, an amazing amount of dislikes on youtube, and making a ton of people turn their backs away going "what the hell?" Yeah, there was some controversy around Star Wars (I personally saw that there as being more at a corporate level (like merchandising companies not getting with the program), but might not be remembering that much) - but it didn't rake in dislikes like this film did so there was more at play than "all those dislikes were due to sexism." Many? I can see that, but not to the point it got to.

You even said you hardly laughed at any jokes in the trailer - of a comedy movie. If it is average to good, that means it has some average to good jokes in it - those should have been used over the ones that fell flat. We have had one member in here who has seen the film puzzled even over why they chose the jokes they did when the film according to that poster had ones that were a heck of a lot more funny.

If they had an average to good film to promote, there should be an average to good way to promote it - not making it out to look like a train wreck. As you said, all they had to work with was what they had - here that means all they had to work with was something that may be average to good.

I did not laugh at the Spy trailers. It looked corny, unoriginal and not a film that would appeal to me. I saw the RT score, knew Rose Byrne was in it and went to see it. I loved it, one of my favorite comedies instantly.

Comedy does not always work in a trailer, especially Feig's brand of comedy.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If anything the movie won't have a reception like this.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/cell_2016

I like how only 21 critics bothered watching and reviewing it.

 

[Kyle]

I did not laugh at the Spy trailers. It looked corny, unoriginal and not a film that would appeal to me. I saw the RT score, knew Rose Byrne was in it and went to see it. I loved it, one of my favorite comedies instantly.

Comedy does not always work in a trailer, especially Feig's brand of comedy.

I thought the same of 'Spy.' Reviews got me to go see it. But there were some people neutral and others positive thanks to Feig's previous films. Neutral isn't really the same as unmitigated disaster negative. This film had articles written about how many dislikes it got on youtube - that's a mighty feat to pull off. It wasn't, but it almost reeks of sabotage by the marketing department that's how off the rails they got a maybe average to good product.

Plus, I might be remembering it wrong as said - but even though I wasn't interested personally I remember that I was in the vast minority in regards to 'Bridesmaids' in how that film was marketed. I remember it building up great word of mouth prior to it's release and that great word of mouth continuing through release.

I even remember 'The Heat' getting people interested. It may not have been huge in comparison to some films, rather good for the level of film it was. But I remember it leaning more positive than neutral, and not at all armageddon negative.

As said having an average to good film and managing to market it as an unmitigated disaster is a feat to pull off.

 

[Octoberist]

Spy was...amazing. Dare i say underrated still.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I thought the same of 'Spy.' Reviews got me to go see it. But there were some people neutral and others positive thanks to Feig's previous films. Neutral isn't really the same as unmitigated disaster negative. This film had articles written about how many dislikes it got on youtube - that's a mighty feat to pull off. It wasn't, but it almost reeks of sabotage.

Plus, I might be remembering it wrong as said - but even though I wasn't interested personally I remember that I was in the vast minority in regards to 'Bridesmaids' in how that film was marketed. I remember it building up great word of mouth prior to it's release and that great word of mouth continuing through release.

I even remember 'The Heat' getting people interested. It may not have been huge in comparison to some films, rather good for the level of film it was. But I remember it leaning more positive than neutral, and not at all armageddon negative.

As said having an average to good film and managing to market it as an unmitigated disaster is a feat to pull off.

This films has been hated from the start. By those that didn't want a reboot to Ghosbusters, to a bunch of online sexist pieces of trash.

If I remember correctly, Bridesmaids got a lot of early buzz because they showed it early. One of those films that was getting built up on good WOM. The Heat had Bullock and McCarthy while they were on fire in terms of BO. That is where the buzz came from.

 

[Wheels]

I did not laugh at the Spy trailers. It looked corny, unoriginal and not a film that would appeal to me. I saw the RT score, knew Rose Byrne was in it and went to see it. I loved it, one of my favorite comedies instantly.

Comedy does not always work in a trailer, especially Feig's brand of comedy.

This seems to be another example of that. I hope I enjoy this one because I was pulling for it the whole time despite not liking the trailers.