The New Ghostbusters - Part 9

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Nice to see a movie with the most disliked trailers in YouTube history getting a fresh rating in Rotten Tomatoes.

Given by Paul Feig's track-record, it ain't surprising.
 
I'm more interested in the box office.
 
A lot of these reviews seem rather forced. The New York Times review title actually reads "Girls are funny, get over it." Two reviews I read talked more about sexism than the movie. I can't help but feel these positive reviews are being inflated due to politics. Let's see how it does with fans.

Though I don't rule out the movie being funny, even if the trailers were awful.
 
His choice shows how he is reacting to a female lead Ghostbusters film. Nothing else. Not other horrible movies or games. He picked this one specifically. That it is his choice does not change what his choice says about him. This is not hard to understand. At all.

See while I'm socially liberal and a feminist, and I respect you DarthSkywalker but I have to disagree with you on James Rolfe's video. You underestimate the love of the original Ghost busters. The controversy for this film was that big that yes many have commented on it, even James Rolfe because quite frankly how could one not. Did he need to make a video about it? No but why not make a video about it. He made some valid points and explained himself rather well I thought. It's wrong to pull a Devin Faraci and psychoanalyze the guy and accuse him of being sexist. We're better than this. You're better than that. His fans know he's a huge fan and expected him to see the movie and give a review/discussion on it. Some of what he said I think some needed to hear. You're assuming he doesn't want to see the movie because it's females. Assumptions are not facts and will never be. We don't know the guy personally. We can disagree with the guy for not seeing the movie just because he thinks the trailers look bad, but I'm not going to call him sexist.
 
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See while I'm socially liberal and a feminist, and I respect you DarthSkywalker but I have to disagree you on James Rolfe's video. You underestimate the love of the original Ghost busters. The controversy for this film was that big that yes many have commented on it, even James Rolfe because quite frankly how could one not. Did he need to make a video about it? No but why not make a video about it. He made some valid points and explained himself rather well I thought. It's wrong to pull a Devin Faraci and psychoanalyze the guy and accuse him of being sexist. We're better than this. You're better than that. His fans know he's a huge fan and expected him to see the movie and give a review/discussion on it. Some of what he said I think some needed to hear. You're assuming he doesn't want to see the movie because it's females. Assumptions are not facts and will never be. We don't know the guy personally. We can disagree with the guy for not seeing just because he thinks the trailers look bad, but I'm not going to call him sexist.
I am an AVGN fan. I don't think he is sexist. I think he knew he'd get a nice response and plenty of attention for making the video and he did. That he exploited the situation, bothers me to no end. It was unnecessary and him exploiting a rather tender subject. He was playing to the sexist crowd.

His reasoning makes little to no sense considering his job description. Especially as this would be in no way the worst movie or game he ever covered.
 
See while I'm socially liberal and a feminist, and I respect you DarthSkywalker but I have to disagree you on James Rolfe's video. You underestimate the love of the original Ghost busters. The controversy for this film was that big that yes many have commented on it, even James Rolfe because quite frankly how could one not. Did he need to make a video about it? No but why not make a video about it. He made some valid points and explained himself rather well I thought. It's wrong to pull a Devin Faraci and psychoanalyze the guy and accuse him of being sexist. We're better than this. You're better than that. His fans know he's a huge fan and expected him to see the movie and give a review/discussion on it. Some of what he said I think some needed to hear. You're assuming he doesn't want to see the movie because it's females. Assumptions are not facts and will never be. We don't know the guy personally. We can disagree with the guy for not seeing just because he thinks the trailers look bad, but I'm not going to call him sexist.

Thank you!
 
I am an AVGN fan. I don't think he is sexist. I think he knew he'd get a nice response and plenty of attention for making the video and he did. That he exploited the situation, bothers me to no end. It was unnecessary and him exploiting a rather tender subject. He was playing to the sexist crowd.

His reasoning makes little to no sense considering his job description. Especially as this would be in no way the worst movie or game he ever covered.

Yes sir I can understand your concern and yes it definitely is not the worst movie ever I'm sure lol. I'm sure there are sexists who probably cheered the video. Not trying to be naïve, but I don't think James Rolfe meant any harm in it though and intentionally was playing to the sexist crowd. I really don't think he expected the kind of vitriol that he received. I sure as hell didn't to be honest lol. To me reactions, both from sexists and those calling him sexist, was completely unwarranted and unnecessary. Devin Faraci is an example of someone who is not setting a good example. However, I do believe that saying you're not going to go see a movie, whether it's a video or facebook/twitter post, is just as valid as saying that you are going to go see a movie as long as you explain yourself well.

See I think the reaction from everybody really should have been, 'Hey a new Ghostbusters film, I hope it's good,' Not 'yay girls' or 'ew girls.' (yes I know those are not the literal words from people lol) It will be nice to finally get to that point one day where race/gender really doesn't matter to people and all we talk about is the story and characters. Personally I preferred a sequel over a remake/reboot but it is what it is. Women ghostbusters can work just as well as men ghostbusters. Although women ghostbusters can also be done poorly, just like men ghostbusters. It's all in the writing, casting, and direction.
 
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Yes sir I can understand your concern and yes it definitely is not the worst movie ever I'm sure lol. I'm sure there are sexists who probably cheered the video. Not trying to be naïve, but I don't think James Rolfe meant any harm in it though and intentionally was playing to the sexist crowd. I really don't think he expected the kind of vitriol that he received. I sure as hell didn't to be honest lol. To me reactions, both from sexists and those calling him sexist, was completely unwarranted and unnecessary. Devin Faraci is an example of someone who is not setting a good example. However, I do believe that saying you're not going to go see a movie, whether it's a video or facebook/twitter post, is just as valid as saying that you're not going to go see a movie as long as you explain yourself well.
But he didn't just say he wasn't going to watch the movie. He went out of his way to make a one-off video, which he acknowledges at the start of the video. He did something he had never done, for this specific movie. And what makes it special in that regard? Also the views and the YT comments speak volumes imo.
 
But he didn't just say he wasn't going to watch the movie. He went out of his way to make a one-off video, which he acknowledges at the start of the video. He did something he had never done, for this specific movie. And what makes it special in that regard? Also the views and the YT comments speak volumes imo.

Well, I suppose we could ask him lol. He is on Facebook and Twitter I believe. What makes it special? Well quite frankly only he could answer that. You or I can't answer it for him lol. I mean this does seem to be one of the most controversial movies made in a long time so making a one off video where even he has to throw in his two cents maybe seemed necessary to him. I rarely post on my Facebook page for example and I felt I needed to say something about the anger towards a female Jedi protagonist, diversity, and women directors. I wasn't trying to exploit anything or start anything, but it got so bad I couldn't take it anymore I had to say something about it. Yes some comments and views can and do speak volumes about those people commenting. Did Rolfe respond to them in any way? I honestly don't know. Does he often respond to any of his comments on his site or YouTube? I probably wouldn't due to too many to respond to lol.
 
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Well, I suppose we could ask him lol. He is on Facebook and Twitter I believe. What makes it special? Well quite frankly only he could answer that. You or I can't answer it for him lol. Yes they speak volumes about those people commenting. Did Rolfe respond to them in any way? I honestly don't know. Does he often respond to any of his comments on his site or YouTube? I probably wouldn't due to too many to respond to lol.
You can block comments, get rid of them. We are not far removed from latest Terminator erasing the first two films from continuity. Two of the most beloved films in cinema history. But nah, that didn't matter nearly as much as a reboot that does not effect the originals at all.

This article from Kotaku puts the situation in perspective quite well imo:

http://kotaku.com/the-complicated-legacy-of-the-original-angry-video-game-1783119418

This more casual format, outside of their Let’s Plays, also includes some film reviews, as James and Mike are also big movie nerds. Occasionally the two will sit down to discuss a new blockbuster or sequel, such as 2014’s Godzilla or Terminator: Genisys. But tackling more modern nerdy media hasn’t always panned out for AVGN, as evidenced by James’ recent video where he refused to review the new Ghostbusters reboot. In it, he explains that he will absolutely not be seeing the new Ghostbusters, on the grounds that not only does the movie look bad, but that it also comes across as a shameless remake that cashes in on the name value of one of his favorite movies.

The timing of the video placed Rolfe right in the middle of the ongoing and heated discussion on the remake, which has become very divisive among fans. What’s more, the reasoning seemed hypocritical to some, as James had happily reviewed, and sometimes even celebrated, sequels and remakes that nobody asked for. Reviewing stuff many think of as “bad” is also something ingrained into his wider gimmick.

It’s an incident that speaks to the other, more negative side to the Nerd’s influence. Following the Nerd, there is now a sect of voices on YouTube whose platform is entirely based around angrily criticizing what they view as “social justice”-infected media, often decrying when creators try to increase diversity, if not openly standing against critics using a feminist or other political lens. James’ video isn’t as antagonistic as some of the other stuff out there, but the video appeared during a wider conversation surrounding Ghostbusters 3, some of which was definitely steeped in sexism.

James’ video landed him right in the middle of that discussion, despite it not really being about the new cast at all. In the video, he laments how we’ll never get a Ghostbusters 3 with the original cast, which has been oft-rumored for years, pointing out that a new team would be an easier sell if the old team were still involved. He even points out that the film might be better than the trailers and that he’s biased due to his adoration of the 1984 original. This is all something he doubles-down on in a direct follow-up video in which he talks about the history of all the failed attempts to produce a Ghostbusters 3 with the original four:

The timing of the first video, with its very stoic titling - “No Review. I Refuse.” - and what seemed like a lack of awareness of an already volatile wider discussion made it easy for some people to consider it sexist. The video hit at a time when sexist backlash against the new movie’s female cast was building online, and splitting the videos up obfuscated his points, leading some to construe the video as soft-sexism toward the idea that the new Ghostbusters team is all female. With that one vlog, James became aligned with those angry, white nerds whose content he had both influenced and satirized for years.

That side of YouTube isn’t something James and Mike have necessarily shied away from, either. They’ve had the occasional guest who make a point of flipping off “SJWs” who they believe are ruining entertainment and media. The angry white dude stereotype that’s at the center of AVGN is a very tangible, loud corner of YouTube culture, and it’s one they have played into, at least in part. And despite AVGN being its own niche, the negativity surrounding the Ghostbusters video has brought on a new wave of attention for the Nerd, with many not liking what they see. Instead of a fun YouTube show that makes fun of old games, they saw another white nerd getting frustrated about “SJW”-related stuff online.
 
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Yeh that article does sum it up well. I asked the question the other day as to why this movie is getting the most hate that iv seen since following films and the only answer I got back was..one sequel too many.

I like Key and Peeles joke that the word racist is the N word for white people, or in this instance is the word sexist for dudes. "Stop being so offended SJW s, but don't call me sexist"
 
A lot of these reviews seem rather forced. The New York Times review title actually reads "Girls are funny, get over it." Two reviews I read talked more about sexism than the movie. I can't help but feel these positive reviews are being inflated due to politics. Let's see how it does with fans.
This is the thing I await, a sample of 25,000 would be nice.
 
You can block comments, get rid of them. We are not far removed from latest Terminator erasing the first two films from continuity. Two of the most beloved films in cinema history. But nah, that didn't matter nearly as much as a reboot that does not effect the originals at all.

This article from Kotaku point the situation in perspective quite well imo:

http://kotaku.com/the-complicated-legacy-of-the-original-angry-video-game-1783119418

Yes this is true but responding to any negative comment online is ultimately a waste of time, at least in my experience. You're right this film doesn't hurt the originals at all. I'm sure I'll enjoy it, hopefully I do even though I think some jokes in the trailer are not funny at all. But I find reboots to be more lazy than sequels. At least with a sequel I would have got to see a few of these characters one last time. While Ghostbusters is not Star Wars obviously lol, Star Wars fans are getting their "passing the torch" film/s. I did want to see that with Ghostbusters. It's one of my favorite films. The terminator franchise quite frankly people stopped caring long before Genysis. Hell Rise of the Machines ret-conned and screwed up the franchise first lol.

That article is very interesting.
 
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The reception will be in the numbers.
 
A lot of these reviews seem rather forced. The New York Times review title actually reads "Girls are funny, get over it." Two reviews I read talked more about sexism than the movie. I can't help but feel these positive reviews are being inflated due to politics. Let's see how it does with fans.

Though I don't rule out the movie being funny, even if the trailers were awful.

Most of the fans I've spoken too have been very positive about the film. A lot loved it and I've heard of standing ovations in two of the showings.

The money will be what will talk. You can blame trolls for the user downvotes and reviewers wanting to not sound sexist as a reason for the positive reviews, but you can't argue with how much money the movie makes. We'll begin to get that picture Sunday.
 
Yes this is true but responding to any negative comment online is ultimately a waste of time, at least in my experience. You're right this film doesn't hurt the originals at all. I'm sure I'll enjoy it, hopefully I do. But I find reboots to be more lazy than sequels. At least with a sequel I would have got to see a few of these characters one last time. While Ghostbusters is not Star Wars obviously lol, Star Wars fans are getting their "passing the torch" film/s. I did want to see that with Ghostbusters. It's one of my favorite films. The terminator franchise quite frankly people stopped caring long before Genysis. Hell Rise of the Machines ret-conned and screwed up the franchise first lol.

That article is very interesting.
I never understand this argument about sequels. They studio wanted to make sequels, it was the creative who would not do it, and then sadly it became too late. The reason why there was never a passing of the torch is because the original crew couldn't agree to do it.

Terminator was just as big as Ghostbusters, bigger when you consider Judgement Day, and has actually been relevant the last 20 years with the shows and sequels, even as they have sucked.
 
I never understand this argument about sequels. They studio wanted to make sequels, it was the creative who would not do it, and then sadly it became too late. The reason why there was never a passing of the torch is because the original crew couldn't agree to do it.

Terminator was just as big as Ghostbusters, bigger when you consider Judgement Day, and has actually been relevant the last 20 years with the shows and sequels, even as they have sucked.

I know and understand that and I'm not mad about it. I've come to accept it. I knew a sequel wasn't going to happen as soon as Ramis died. One could argue that we didn't need another sequel cause well look at Ghostbusters 2 lol, even though I still enjoy 2. Yes Terminator was as big, if not bigger, but there hadn't been a Ghostbusters film between 1989 and now. After Terminator 2 in 1991 we received Rise of the Machines in 2003, The Sarah Connor Chronicles in 2008, Salvation in 2009, and Genysis in 2015.
 
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I never understand this argument about sequels. They studio wanted to make sequels, it was the creative who would not do it, and then sadly it became too late. The reason why there was never a passing of the torch is because the original crew couldn't agree to do it.

Terminator was just as big as Ghostbusters, bigger when you consider Judgement Day, and has actually been relevant the last 20 years with the shows and sequels, even as they have sucked.

(goes off to cry about Sarah Conner Chronicles again)

One thing the Terminator movies have to consider, when Brian Austin Green is a better Reese than yours, reconsider your casting.
 
Most of the fans I've spoken too have been very positive about the film. A lot loved it and I've heard of standing ovations in two of the showings.

The money will be what will talk. You can blame trolls for the user downvotes and reviewers wanting to not sound sexist as a reason for the positive reviews, but you can't argue with how much money the movie makes. We'll begin to get that picture Sunday.

That said, I'm not sure if success equates quality. I point to Twilight. Also, they are courting a completely different demographic (I question how much overlap there is between Bridesmaids and 80's Ghostbuster fans). Be interesting to see if they can appeal to both crowds.

Still, maybe the all-female cast and politicizing might actually end up doing this film good. At the box office, at least. I could very easily see this movie with an all male-cast turning into a derided, "unnecessary" and inferior reboot, without any feminist undertones to rally a new fan base and media defenders.
 
I feel a bit like the movie is a lost cause.
Because its mainly not about the movie, but about the audience.
Its about the attention it gets/got, instead of the movie itself.

Look at all the talk it got before the release.
The people who didnt like it for various reasons, got called misogynists.
Those who liked it, where called SJW or so.

Now its the same with reviews.

How many "reviewers" are worried that they get attacked by the SJW and therefore give it a good rating?
How many just simply want to start a fight and give it a low score?

I feel like no matter what you do, the movie will never get the Rating it should get.
Whatever it would be under normal circumstances.
 
I just got the whole "you don't like it because its girls" argument recently from someone who I really wanted to punch in the face for their stupidity. I didn't want to see it because it looked like crap, and had real problems that the studio and the marketing mocked us about, to which that person is part of. It is NOT an actual thing to say?!
 
almost 15 pages talking only about reviews. interesting :)
 
I just got the whole "you don't like it because its girls" argument recently from someone who I really wanted to punch in the face for their stupidity. I didn't want to see it because it looked like crap, and had real problems that the studio and the marketing mocked us about, to which that person is part of. It is NOT an actual thing to say?!

I get that too but garbage is garbage no matter what execuse they use to make you feel bad into seeing it. ID4 resurgence and terminator genysis looked like garbage too and I stayed away. If you dont want to see something that is your choice, you dont have to report to people with how you spend your time and money. Personally this weekend Im inviting some people over to watch the first 2 at home on my big screen tv with surround sound and everyone will probably get a more rewarding experience.
 
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