Comics The "New Ways to Die" Thread...

[moraldeficiency]

Ok... I'm really confused... did Peter Parker help Bullseye get out of jail???



Or did Murdoch put one of Spidey's villains out on the street?

I'm so confused...

Sorry, no pete's never helped get bullseye out of jail. Eddie Brock however is out and about thanks to matt, NWTD Part One, because Matt went to bat for poor eddie cause the suit made him be a bad guy. This leaves out the nurse he just stabbed to death sans symbiote in Spec. Also what kind of dick helps get one of his "friends" most vicious enemies out on the street? No one more deserving of help in NY than Eddie I guess.

I was just saying this would be like if pete proved bullseye was insane (which he is) and then got him out of jail. Matt's tangled with venom, he should know the risk.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Wow, you posted this at just the right time Mr. Thomas....
I just took out my marvel master works vol. 1 of ASM and read it last night.That's when I realized how dramatically the character has changed since his first incarnation, sure the core concept is there....and good character development should mature the character. It has always been apart of the spidey character to do very dumb things. An example would be him trying to cash his check in a spidey outfit.

If Marvel had stuck to continuity Jameson would still be a millionaire and publisher at NOW! magazine.

spidey would still call his web shooters, web launchers.
and the spider on his back would still be blue (i think)

his spider sense would still be RIDICOUSLY STRONG.

and he would be even more powerful than the FF combined as an adult, had they followed up with his first appearance and there intial reaction to him.

But none of us are complaining. even after his upgrades from the other spidey still would lose to them if they went all out against him.
I don't agree with the changes....I still feel after 20 years there were fans of the marriage and it should have been given more respect than to just say it "never really happened."

but some things just have to be let go. Spider-man isn't our character. we just have to try to enjoy the ride or let go...cause really thats the only power we have.

I re-read the first 40 issues of ASM once a year, right after the holidays, a tradition of mine for the past 20 years or so...never tire of it.

Those issues had a "flavor' all of their own.

 

[iloveclones]

I re-read the first 40 issues of ASM once a year, right after the holidays, a tradition of mine for the past 20 years or so...never tire of it.

Those issues had a "flavor' all of their own.

Not a bad idea at all. Might try it myself this year...

 

[Themanofbat]

Sorry, no pete's never helped get bullseye out of jail. Eddie Brock however is out and about thanks to matt, NWTD Part One, because Matt went to bat for poor eddie cause the suit made him be a bad guy. This leaves out the nurse he just stabbed to death sans symbiote in Spec. Also what kind of dick helps get one of his "friends" most vicious enemies out on the street? No one more deserving of help in NY than Eddie I guess.

I was just saying this would be like if pete proved bullseye was insane (which he is) and then got him out of jail. Matt's tangled with venom, he should know the risk.

Oh... ok... I haven't read it yet...

I would guess that everybody sees Eddie as being "harmless" without the suit...

I can't wait to get this issue...

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Oh... ok... I haven't read it yet...

I would guess that everybody sees Eddie as being "harmless" without the suit...

I can't wait to get this issue...

I know! It's great to be looking forward to ASM!

 

[J. J. Jameson]

Got my issue of Amazing Spider-Man #568 early this week...New Ways to Die: Part 1- Back with Vengeance.

My review (also posted on the Marvel boards):

Spoiler

First I'd like to say that I have been mostly anti-BND from the start. I mildly enjoyed Slott's first arc, but was prevented from liking it more because it was right after OMD and that taste was still in my mouth. His second arc was good, too. Gale's arcs were utter trash and Guggenheim's stories were just "meh." The high point of it all was Zeb Wells's fantastic three-part story "Sometimes It Snows in April" or whatever it was called. It rocked.

So here we are...the first big six-parter. I'll just say it now: I thought it was incredible and easily the best issue of BND. It's not even in the same league as the other stories (except for the one by Wells). It's smartly written and maturely written, not like the childish junk we've been seeing. This is good stuff. I didn't mind Menace...I didn't mind Harry. The story was just...good. It was the first time in a long time that I actually felt excited reading a Spidey comic again. It made me feel like I was reading JMS's early stuff...when it seemed fresh and new. This really felt like a Spider-Man book, not some childish knock-off.

JRJR's artwork was spectacular and contributed to the "Spidey feel" of the book that I mention above. He remains my favorite Spidey artist to date. When I think of Spider-Man, it's his Spider-Man. It's quirky enough to fit Spidey's personality, while serious enough to convey the drama needed for a story like this.

Norman Osborn is back and great as ever. The last few pages lead you to believe that he knows that Pete is Spider-Man, but sadly, I'm sure he doesn't. It would make the story more layered.

Eddie Brock is back and cancer-free, as explained in a nice little back story by Waid and Granov. It's not entirely clear how, but Mr. Negative is involved with some type of cell-sized things. Eddie also claims Venom is gone completely...but the last panel lets you know he isn't. He was aided and gained release by Matt Murdock, who argued that he was not responsible for his actions as Venom and that he wants to turn over a true leaf...which is true (this is why I think Murdock would help him).

Overall, a very strong start. It just seems like a more grown up book. If Amazing was this good every week, I'd rejoice at each new issue. I give it a 9/10. Good show, Mr. Slott

 

[imdaly]

There's a great preview of this issue at IGN right now.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/899/899758p1.html

 

[imdaly]

So here's a question I've had since hearing about this story that I'm not sure I've heard anyone address yet....


Why is this story titled "New Ways to Die"? That ALONE has my interest, making me wonder what that has to do with the events that will happen in the story...

 

[Styleshift]

So here's a question I've had since hearing about this story that I'm not sure I've heard anyone address yet....


Why is this story titled "New Ways to Die"? That ALONE has my interest, making me wonder what that has to do with the events that will happen in the story...

I have a feeling it centers on more than one person in the spidey mythos (or new york for that matter) than just Peter.

 

[J. J. Jameson]

You know, I was just thinking how awesome it is to have a Spidey story that isn't proclaimed as "THE MOST SHOCKING, MIND-BOGGLING, EARTH SHATTERING EVENT OF THE YEAR! EVERYTHING CHANGES AFTER THIS!"

It's just a well-written Spidey story, which is all I ask for.

 

[iloveclones]

I re-read the first 40 issues of ASM once a year, right after the holidays, a tradition of mine for the past 20 years or so...never tire of it.

Those issues had a "flavor' all of their own.

Couldn't wait for the holidays, so I re-read 1 and 2 last night.

I originally read all of those first issues in these little digests that Marvel put out in the 70s. (I can still see the covers in my mind) They completely fell apart from how many times I read them...

 

[Styleshift]

If I could just complete the gap I have from the end of the first Marvel masterworks TPB, all the way to around the time that aunt may first started rooming in with Doc ock. I'd be set.

but I can't seem to find it....anywhere.

 

[Robbie]

Even though the story sounds like it has potential, I have to stand my ground. I'm done with Marvel until Mephisto tricks Quesada into undoing OMD.

 

[ragingdemon155]

Even though the story sounds like it has potential, I have to stand my ground. I'm done with Marvel until Mephisto tricks Quesada into undoing OMD.

Well I can't say I blame you. Just finished reading the first issue of "New Ways To Die". It was decent. Nothing that will pull readers in. Granted, I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt seeing as how it's the first part to this big storyline. Maybe I was just expecting a more compelling first issue, given all the hype and so on.

Didn't hate the issue...like I said before, it was decent which seems to be a common theme with BND.
Art was nice though.

 

[Themanofbat]

I'm going to get my copy later on tonight...

 

[krec99]

spolier.........










dont norman show up at petes apartment with the thunderbolts ?
if that is true he knows pete is spidey .

 

[J. J. Jameson]

spolier.........










dont norman show up at petes apartment with the thunderbolts ?
if that is true he knows pete is spidey .

Not necessarily. They could be pulling the old "You take his picture so find the wall-crawler for us" trick.

But I'd be more than happy if Norman still knew. Because the Mephisto-mess didn't screw with Gwen Stacy's death.

Well I can't say I blame you. Just finished reading the first issue of "New Ways To Die". It was decent. Nothing that will pull readers in. Granted, I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt seeing as how it's the first part to this big storyline. Maybe I was just expecting a more compelling first issue, given all the hype and so on.

Didn't hate the issue...like I said before, it was decent which seems to be a common theme with BND.
Art was nice though.

Sorry if I set you up to much. It's just that my expectations were very low, and it blew them out of the water...If my expectations had been higher, perhaps I wouldn't have been so thrilled with it.

 

[Themanofbat]

Not necessarily. They could be pulling the old "You take his picture so find the wall-crawler for us" trick.

But I'd be more than happy if Norman still knew. Because the Mephisto-mess didn't screw with Gwen Stacy's death.

He still knew Peter's identity in the past... he's just forgotten now... there's a difference...

Still didn't get my copy...

 

[ragingdemon155]

Not necessarily. They could be pulling the old "You take his picture so find the wall-crawler for us" trick.

But I'd be more than happy if Norman still knew. Because the Mephisto-mess didn't screw with Gwen Stacy's death.



Sorry if I set you up to much. It's just that my expectations were very low, and it blew them out of the water...If my expectations had been higher, perhaps I wouldn't have been so thrilled with it.

I wouldn't say my expectations were low like yours, but yea I wasn't extremely looking forward to this. It wasn't bad. Better than most of the other stuff I've read from BND. However, that really isn't saying much at all.

Like I said earlier though, I guess I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt since it's the first part of this arc.

 

[krec99]

Not necessarily. They could be pulling the old "You take his picture so find the wall-crawler for us" trick.

But I'd be more than happy if Norman still knew. Because the Mephisto-mess didn't screw with Gwen Stacy's death.



i got the impression he still knew

 

[MaskedManJRK]

I've been mostly silent about this BND nonsence, mostly because most of the people here (espicially my former "League of Haturs" teammate, Shinyte) said it better then I can. OMD pissed me off, and the first issues of BND just weren't worth it. But, since there's so much hype about this, figured I'd give this a read at my shop.

It was surprisingly good. There was good stuff with Peter--he's finally being written mostly competant!--espicially the stuff with him coming on to Front Line. The development with Norman and the Thunderbolts sounds intriging too (my guess is that Norman knows that he should know who Spidey is, and plans to use Peter to try and figure it out out again).

But, here's my question: Couldn't they have done a story like this at the beginning of BND?

Better yet, couldn't they have just done this without OMD/BND in the first place? From the looks of this, it could have worked just as well with the marriage intact.

 

[Blader5489]

But, here's my question: Couldn't they have done a story like this at the beginning of BND?

You mean go from one big story to another big story just a few weeks later? Isn't that something people have been complaining about for the last 3 years?

 

[MaskedManJRK]

You mean go from one big story to another big story just a few weeks later? Isn't that something people have been complaining about for the last 3 years?

Not big--just GOOD.

 

[stillanerd]

All right, I believe that Mr. Negative's theme song should very well be Peter Gabriel's "I Have the Touch." And if not that, it definitely can be this: Anyway, at least we're getting some answers finally (hopefully). Although, I think that

Spoiler

Mr. Negative, or rather Martin Li, doesn't simply heal people--I think he takes away illnesses and disease by absorbing their "negative energy" into himself like a sponge, and, also like a sponge, he has to wring it out from time to time as Mr. Negative. So what if he's actually absorbing the trace elements of the symbiote along with the cancer cells? Which makes me think that Mr. Negative could end up becoming Anti-Venom end of spoilers Course, this is just a theory. And I think it's pretty apparent that Menace is really targeting Crowne, despite the blowing up of the truck with Hollister's campaign sign on it. Ain't it interesting that he or she just happens to be attacking in an location where Crowne has a sweatshop. Not to mention it's Harry who suggests that Peter sell the photos he took of said incident to a rival publication while he's standing on a rooftop. I don't think Harry is Menace, but he definitely has a connection. Of course, I think that in order to throw Harry will have Menace attack him in front of his dad later on. And I'm still sticking with my "Menace is Carlie" theory. As for Norman, I think Marvel pretty much made it clear he no longer knows Peter is Spider-Man. I imagine that he at Peter's apartment and is going to tell Peter that since he's "Spider-Man photographer," he can find and contact him and must do so within 24 hours or else--all while Peter is thinking "What kind of game is Osborn playing, here? He already knows I'm Spider-Man!" not realizing that Norman has truly forgotten. If Slott goes with that angle in this arc, and Spidey, once realizing Norman no longer knows, will realize something weird is going on and start connecting a few dots...hopefully.

 

[UK_Stu]

This sounds lame (but thats what OMD has done to things I guess), but as others have mentioned Norman did know Peter was spidey and found out exactly the same way he did in the old continuity - but he has "forgotten" who spider-man is, even though he knows he should know. So do you think that Marvel will go about this in the same way DC did with the Flash?