The Official 2009-2010 NBA Thread: Where Playoffs Happen

[Nightmare]

Hey comicchick, how about we goto a game this season?

 

[Ghostvirus]

You don't get to where Jordan has gotten not being cocky or arrogant.

 

[ComicChick]

Hey comicchick, how about we goto a game this season?

if i lived close to any pro team, i totally would like to go. closest team is the wizards/bullets to me

 

[Fresh Prince]

Atleast Micheal Jordon not Brett Favre. Talking about a guy who will not let the game pass him by.

 

[Bunker]

Michael Jordan retired and unretired twice just like Favre.

 

[Caped Crusader]

Michael Jordan retired and unretired twice just like Favre.

Jordan wasn't finished.

 

[Ghostvirus]

I wonder if Jordan is serious about returning at the age of 50.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Lets hope Jordan does not comeback at 50.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Michael Jordan retired and unretired twice just like Favre.

Jordan still wanted to play cause he loves the game deeply.

Favre just doing this to show up and get revenge at Green Bay.

 

[Hound55]

so your saying those TWO years he scored six thousand pts in which there really was no comp???

I'll believe it when i see it.. no offense... but i would LOVE to see a chart of that

After 1980-81 he never again averaged 25ppg.

Kareem played ONE year before Wilt came down to Earth after having a ridiculously stellar year, and by Wilt's standards it still wasn't awesome.

That was Kareem's rookie year. Wilt averaged 27.3ppg and 18.4rpg that year (note that 18.2rpg - the following season - was his career worst) after that season Wilt dropped to 20ppg the following season, with his career worst rpg numbers, and in the following final 2 years of his career never averaged 20 again with 14.8 and 13.2 ppg season.

When Kareem came in Wilt was either pretty much done by his standards or was definitely on the downward slide.

Wilt was also just one player.

Hakeem had to go head-to-head in the mid to late 90s with the deepest centre pool in history.

Hakeem
Shaq
David Robinson
Patrick Ewing
Alonzo Mourning
Dikembe Mutombo

That's easily a best 6 pronged centre grouping the league has ever had. Easily. Without a shadow of a doubt.

Then you've got second tier guys who, were they playing at other times in league history would be considered much better:

Rik Smits
Vlade Divac
Zydrunas Ilgauskas (when healthy was at his best those days, granted not healthy often)
Arvydas Sabonis (who granted his best days were behind him outside of the NBA, but he was still one of the better centres on the planet and in his prime a top 10 centre ever IMO)

Then there were also some premier PFs who would also man up on Hakeem at the 5, through that era to cover for weaker centres.

Guys like Shawn Kemp, Charles Oakley, Horace Grant, Derrick Coleman, Chris Webber, later Tim Duncan.

Hakeem went against a quality opponent damn near every night.

The best possible argument that you could make for Kareem is that there were less teams so the less talent they had then covered it a little bit. But there were more teams than when Wilt and Bill Russell were playing as well... so the talent WAS thinner than it probably should have been.

1984-85
Hakeem's rookie year stats:
20.6ppg - 11.9 rpg - 2.68 bpg - 0.538 fg%

Kareem's stats:
22 ppg - 7.9 rpg - 2.1 bpg - 0.599 fg%

Bear in mind that that was Hakeem's ROOKIE season... it takes players a little while to heat up and find their place generally... especially if their position is deep and they consistently see quality opposition, which you've already said was the hardest time with 80s ball...

Fact remains, when Kareem entered the NBA, it wasn't Wilt or Bill Russell or Moses or any of the guys who you named who were the top dogs, none of these guys were in their prime.

The top dog at centre when Kareem came in was Willis Reed.

A man who I would say wasn't as good as Patrick Ewing... or a number of players who Hakeem had to take on at ANY point in time in his career.

The 'worst' best, or next best (because for a long time Hakeem WAS the best) player that Hakeem had to play was never at that Willis Reed level.

 

[omid17]

Jordan still wanted to play cause he loves the game deeply.

Favre just doing this to show up and get revenge at Green Bay.

don't think so, you just saw the preseason, Rogers is the new guy and it seems the fans are really happy with him, so getting revenge would be stupid imo Favre would have to have a better season than Rogers to prove to GB fans

 

[Hound55]

Jordan still wanted to play cause he loves the game deeply.

Favre just doing this to show up and get revenge at Green Bay.

Psonally, I think Brett Favre had more love for his game than Jordan did.

Jordan loved WINNING, he was the most competitive freak that I've known about in ANY sport EVER.

But he was constantly talking about retiring, yes he only retired twice but he was always talking about planning to get out of the league, as early as 1990...

Jordan loved golf more than basketball. Jordan loved winning more than anything.

 

[Hound55]

Hmmm...tough choice. I would probably go with Russell. Wasn't he known for shutting down Wilt even though Wilt destroyed the rest of the league?

Not shutting him down. Restricting him.

Which for Wilt's day was about as good as could be hoped.

To me you have to understand the time and where basketball was. Parity was non-existant and players could and would sign wherever they wanted.

An invitation from Red Auerbach to play for the Celtics was like one of Willy Wonka's golden tickets... as they had most of the best players in the NBA at the time. The other best players were scattered across the league. Wilt was more of a rebel in that he was so good and not playing with the Celtics. He had a few years where his teams managed to gather some other quality players, Elgin Baylors, Jerry Wests... but predominantly the best guys gravitated towards the Celtics because they were THE CELTICS.

Bill Russell played on better teams than Wilt ever did, but I still stand firm that Wilt was the better player. Clearly the best player in terms of where his era was over any course of basketball history. Other names on that list would be Mikan (where a guy with height was a novel look at basketball), Bob Cousy earlier, Michael Jordan later and Kareem himself in those 70s where the centre talent level dropped away in Wilt and Russell's wake.

I'd take Wilt.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Psonally, I think Brett Favre had more love for his game than Jordan did.

Jordan loved WINNING, he was the most competitive freak that I've known about in ANY sport EVER.

But he was constantly talking about retiring, yes he only retired twice but he was always talking about planning to get out of the league, as early as 1990...

Jordan loved golf more than basketball. Jordan loved winning more than anything.

Jordan wanted to play pro golf instead of NBA?

 

[nolan's roll'n]

Jordan still wanted to play cause he loves the game deeply.

Favre just doing this to show up and get revenge at Green Bay.

There's no way that Jordan's coming back. That is out of the question. WTF is he thinking?

Also, why would Favre want to get revenge on a team that once, when he was on it paid his salary?

 

[Hound55]

if Madge wasnt hobbling and byron and worthy werent hurt..


MJ would only have 5 rings


I blame MJ for Magic getting HIV

Meh, I'm a Suns fan.

I blame John Paxson for setting cancer upon the world.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Not shutting him down. Restricting him.

Which for Wilt's day was about as good as could be hoped.

To me you have to understand the time and where basketball was. Parity was non-existant and players could and would sign wherever they wanted.

An invitation from Red Auerbach to play for the Celtics was like one of Willy Wonka's golden tickets... as they had most of the best players in the NBA at the time. The other best players were scattered across the league. Wilt was more of a rebel in that he was so good and not playing with the Celtics. He had a few years where his teams managed to gather some other quality players, Elgin Baylors, Jerry Wests... but predominantly the best guys gravitated towards the Celtics because they were THE CELTICS.

Bill Russell played on better teams than Wilt ever did, but I still stand firm that Wilt was the better player. Clearly the best player in terms of where his era was over any course of basketball history. Other names on that list would be Mikan (where a guy with height was a novel look at basketball), Bob Cousy earlier, Michael Jordan later and Kareem himself in those 70s where the centre talent level dropped away in Wilt and Russell's wake.

I'd take Wilt.

Man shoot, if I was a pro basketball player in the 60s I p0lay with Boston. They won mostly all the championships. Even 8 straight during one period of time man. I rather play with the 60s Celtics then 90s Bulls. Cause atleast with 60s Celtics you get good quality timep laying and get reconization alot, since Russell was not as MJ was on both offense and defense.

 

[Fresh Prince]

There's no way that Jordan's coming back. That is out of the question. WTF is he thinking?

Also, why would Favre want to get revenge on a team that once, when he was on it paid his salary?

Jordan was having fun he not serious.

And maybe cause Brett feels Green Bay was wrong for not wanting him back, so he wants to prove to them they made a hugh mistake and he can still play great.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Meh, I'm a Suns fan.

I blame John Paxson for setting cancer upon the world.

Lol ya'll came this close to winning the title in 93.

Man i'm a 76ers fan and losing to LA in 01 was a *****.

 

[Hound55]

Jordan wanted to play pro golf instead of NBA?

Pro or not. i don't think there's too much of a question that Jordan loved golf more than basketball.

For an amateur he was pretty damn good at it too... stories go that he was introduced to it one day and his competitive fire just made him work and work and work to get better... golf is like a purgatory for a guy like Jordan.

I say that because its impossible to be perfect in golf and introducing Jordan to the game with his competitive fire is just going to doom him to working every spare minute on his game.

Heard some old rumour that one of Jordan's early Bulls teammates beat him at table tennis once and Jordan just worked non-stop, played constantly to ridiculous hours until he could comfortably beat everyone on the Bulls at it.

I maintain that Jordan didn't love basketball, he just had that competitive fire to come back and prove he could still win and beat everyone.

And that essentially means that I wouldn't rule out another come-back for him, because all it would take is that nagging voice questioning whether he could do it and still kick arse and win.

 

[omid17]

Jordan was having fun he not serious.

And maybe cause Brett feels Green Bay was wrong for not wanting him back, so he wants to prove to them they made a hugh mistake and he can still play great.

i think the Viks made him come back. That's why i think Childress was kissing Favre ass soo much

 

[Fresh Prince]

Pro or not. i don't think there's too much of a question that Jordan loved golf more than basketball.

For an amateur he was pretty damn good at it too... stories go that he was introduced to it one day and his competitive fire just made him work and work and work to get better... golf is like a purgatory for a guy like Jordan.

I say that because its impossible to be perfect in golf and introducing Jordan to the game with his competitive fire is just going to doom him to working every spare minute on his game.

Heard some old rumour that one of Jordan's early Bulls teammates beat him at table tennis once and Jordan just worked non-stop, played constantly to ridiculous hours until he could comfortably beat everyone on the Bulls at it.

I maintain that Jordan didn't love basketball, he just had that competitive fire to come back and prove he could still win and beat everyone.

And that essentially means that I wouldn't rule out another come-back for him, because all it would take is that nagging voice questioning whether he could do it and still kick arse and win.

Jordan got nothing esle to prove, he come back on that court he have a heart attack and die.

Were would he go back to? Chicago? I mean would they want him back? They moved on without him.

Maybe he would still put up numbers, its not like this era of basketball is none for great defensive teams and hard knocks action anyways.

 

[Excel]

Jordan was a bit of a ***** in his speech. Arrogance and cockiness isnt need for anything, confidence s, however. Confidence is knowing is great from acclaim coming from other people. Jordan going up there is trash talking other people and talking himself up is clear arrogance, something nobody can achieve because its not a very becoming quality.

Confidence in example would probably be LeBron. You wont ever hear James a say a word of negativity about any of his team mates or the other team. He knows hes good, but he doesnt think hes "better than everybody else". Jordan coulda used some advice for him in his speech.

Maybe if what he said had actually been funny...what did he say to his kids "Id hate to be you" or something? ******ed.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Well LBJ is kinda a sore loser. He did not wanna shake Dwight Howard's hand after they lost the series to Orlando. But LBJ is a good team leader and not cocky or arrogant at all. But Jordan is Jordan he can do whatever he wants.

But if he does decide to come back hopefully its not with the Bobcats. He is the president or general manager of the team right? I know if he does comeback he actually wants to win a championship this time around.

 

[Hound55]

I don't think he will come back.

I just know that all it would take is for a little question to pop up in Jordan's head and he could conceivably try to make a comeback...