The Official "Admit you were wrong about Craig" thread

[Lazlo Panaflex]

Daniel Craig was alright as Bond, more angry and determined, but I couldn't make out his English at times.

 

[The Englishman]

Daniel Craig was alright as Bond, more angry and determined, but I couldn't make out his English at times.

What?? How did you not understand his English??

 

[pointman]

Daniel Craig was alright as Bond, more angry and determined, but I couldn't make out his English at times.

You know, cotton buds work wonders for cleaning out earwax, you should try using them.

 

[pointman]

1 thing that annoys me about some people here is that many people here who were bashing craig from the start are now turning around saying they supported him from the get go, you people know who you are...

 

[Mentok]

Oh man Lets be fair. Before everyone loved brosnan and hailed Golden eye and the other bond films and actors.

You really should read some reviews for Bond films sometime.

Now they say that that is not bond and that craig is the real bond because he's portrayed the character just as in the books.

Yeah, thats what I said. Its not the film Bond.

Well remember that everyone knows the bond from the movies and not so much the one in the novels, so its logical that some will still prefer the movie version(they're used to it). And not because the other bonds were not portrayed exactly as in the books does it mean that their bonds are not faithful representations.

Yeah, more people know the movie Bond than the Book Bond, Sales of Bond books also show that a hell of alot of people are more than familiar with the Book version.

As much as I like craig's bond I'am objective when it comes to pointing out the great things others brought to the table as bond. Specially connery and brosnan. They still spew some one liners and quips but hell they sure were great as 007.as a matter of fact craig has his own one liners and I think some of those give bond part of his wise ass personality.

Yeah, they both did good jobs... Brosnan however had to put up with the worst Bond scripts ever put together.

The Movie Bond was way overdue for retirement anyway. With this film Kicking off with Caqsino Royale and being more faithful to the Book version of the character they can move in many more directions from here on out.

 

[kit1982]

1 thing that annoys me about some people here is that many people here who were bashing craig from the start are now turning around saying they supported him from the get go, you people know who you are...

For the benefit of myself who exactly are they? I haven't really noticed anyone doing that hence why this thread is packed.

 

[Cmill216]

I personally wanted Clive Owen from the very beginning.

But I sure as heck don't care anymore. Craig was the shiznit.

 

[Darthphere]

I personally wanted Clive Owen from the very beginning.

But I sure as heck don't care anymore. Craig was the shiznit.

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[Mr. Socko]

I didn't think Craig would be bad, but I didn't think he would be good either.

BUT BY GAWD HE PWNED THIS ROLE SO F'N MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Lazlo Panaflex]

What?? How did you not understand his English??

When that dude at the club mistakes Bond as a valet and then Bond smashes the guy's SUV, later at the bar the guy recognizes Bond and James said something I couldn't understand.

You know, cotton buds work wonders for cleaning out earwax, you should try using them.

I do, I have mountains of ear wax to make candles.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I think Craig is second only to Connery. I never liked Moore that much...felt his movies were too "out there". This guy was just right and dropped all the cliche's the previous actors had brought to the films.

Also he brought athleticism to the part...which for me...is a HUGE deal.

 

[TheBat812]

Pierce Brosnan was nothing but a smarmy bed-hopper and Craig puts him to shame.

Once again, all the dumbass housewives, tear down your stupid Brosnan posters and bow down to Craig.

agreed.

 

[ecksclops]

Well, its that time...and I am very happy to admit that I was dead wrong about Daniel Craig. I initially did not like the casting. The blonde hair bothered me, the ugliness bothered me, everything about him bothered me.

I was wrong.

While I still consider him too ugly to play James Bond and did not care for his hair (hopefully next movie they make it a tad darker and slick it back), damned if he didn't pull one hell of a performance. While he may not have the wit and charm of Brosnan (although, neither did Brosnan in his first movie), or the rugged good looks of Connery...by the time he shoots his second kill and utters his "Yes, quite" quip, you have completely forgotten about Pierce Brosnan. Daniel Craig is James Bond.

UGLY? He's so far the sexiest bond of all! Mmhh.

 

[Jack Napier]

I showed the very first trailer to Casino Royale to this girl I know, and her exact words were, "I don't think it's very smart to go from someone as handsome as Brosnan to this guy." Fastforward to two nights ago. What did she say about the new Bond? "He's hot..." She was completely blown away by the guy. On one hand, I was right all along, but on the other hand I want to tell my friend how stupid she was initially.

 

[kit1982]

When that dude at the club mistakes Bond as a valet and then Bond smashes the guy's SUV, later at the bar the guy recognizes Bond and James said something I couldn't understand.

Thats a fair point, what the hell did he say ? I've seen it twice at the cinema and many more through....well you know yet I still can't make out what he says.

 

[fallenAngel]

I personally wanted Clive Owen from the very beginning.

But I sure as heck don't care anymore. Craig was the shiznit.

Yeah me too. Though I never had any real reservations about Craig. I never understood all the negative comments about him.

 

[johnsonuk]

When that dude at the club mistakes Bond as a valet and then Bond smashes the guy's SUV, later at the bar the guy recognizes Bond and James said something I couldn't understand.

I do, I have mountains of ear wax to make candles.

t: no wonder you could not understand his english...he was speaking germant: t: t:

i think it translates to something like "good evening" t:

 

[Kal-El Reeve]

'If you have ever been a true James Bond movie fan you would know that Craig brings nothing to the Part of James Bond. I dont have much intrest in another Bond movie, with this man being cast as James Bond. Or with the same aweful dialogue and script, boring elements. James Bond is not a mere action hero. JB..is totally a fantasy of what ladies dream of and what men would like to be. He is suave, classic, debonaire. Craig exhibits nont of that sophisticated charm that makes the fans of James Bond keep coming back. He started out from a character in a book and he grew into an image. The features of the character that are forever James Bond, are true today as they were when he first hit the movie screen. There are some things you cannot put "an up to date spin on it", because some things are classic, and are never out of style. Back in the day James Bond was before his time, so here he is...Well why take from the Character all that made him. Can anyone in the same breath even compare Craig to Connery, Brosnan or Moore . NO. There were other very impressive contenders to play the part, they should have gone with someone else'

I am a James Bond Fan, and personally as much as I like the other actors. Craig brought the character Fleming invisioned out which has never been seen before in a James Bond Film. Only the small nuances, but never the full thing. Bond was never about the over the top fantasy; it was the suspense the adventure, and the espionage. A lot of which were partly based on Fleming's own experiences, if memory serves. The movies deviated big time from the character with the exception of three movies: "FRWL, Dr. No, and OHMSS"

Bond was getting his ass kicked by Bourne. A rip off of the Bond films and novels. That has to say something was needed to change if a newcomer was kicking the crap out of a now 53 year old character. (Including the novels and the film franchise). And the original James Bond has never been introduced to the big screen.

'I'd like to see the classic elements return for the next one. I'm talking about Q, Moneypenny, the opening bullet shot, more beautiful Bond women, more use of his theme song during action sequences and what not, and some real awesome vehical chases, Proper Bond deminer/ suave, classic, debonaire. These things are what made the Bond movies different from any other spy movie.Dont want another boring....'edgy' film....that doesnt properly represent the main charecter, as in CR, The 'prequel / Origins trend' was cool when Batman Begins did it, propely'

I take it you want something along the lines of Guy Hamilton and the pre FYEO Moore films. I honestly suggest reading the Ian Fleming novels because that is the 'real' Bond. Which a lot of people have been wanting. I am sorry if you don't think this movie is your cup of tea. We get that, but a lot of people think this is how Bond is supposed to be. Besides a lot of the classic elements were very minimum in the books. If almost non existant. The "classic" you're looking for is not even "classic" Bond. Just movie Bond.

 

[skruloos]

The "classic" you're looking for is not even "classic" Bond. Just movie Bond.

And considering that it was the movie Bond that built the franchise and brought it to the public consciousness then it is entirely possible to have "classic" Bond moments based solely on the films. I understand you have a bias towards the books but it would be ludicrous to assume that the majority of the world's audience is as familiar with them as you are.

 

[skruloos]

Exactly. The Movie Bond is nothing like the actual Bond from the books. Craig is the real bond from the books, not a silly catchphrase spewing caricature that everyone thinnks is the real Bond.

Or it's simply that there exists two versions of the character. The movie Bond is every bit Bond whether you like it or not. He is not the literary Bond but he exists as an entity all to himself. And despite your attempts at belittling the film Bond, he will always be the one that the general audience will see as the true Bond. Is it unfair? Quite. Yet true nonetheless.

It's the same thing that happened with Batman. People always try to push their preferred version as being "true" or "real". O'Neil's Batman was different from Kane's so it must not be true. Get off your high horse.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, with Batman it's pretty different. Simply b/c there's been so many different successful interepetations.

With Bond, it's simply a line. Bond film fans, and Bond purists. Of course, once in the Bond movie category, it's just broken up by the different actors and such.

I think the new Bond can eventually be seen as the "fave" or something. I mean, one of the reasons Craig is getting so much love is b/c he's the closest we've gotten to Sean Connery since.....well, mother****ing Sean Connery. And, while I'm just getting into the books.....in the middle of CR, I think Connery did seem to display certain aspects of the novel Bond I think.

 

[skruloos]

Well, with Batman it's pretty different. Simply b/c there's been so many different successful interepetations.

With Bond, it's simply a line. Bond film fans, and Bond purists. Of course, once in the Bond movie category, it's just broken up by the different actors and such.

I think the new Bond can eventually be seen as the "fave" or something. I mean, one of the reasons Craig is getting so much love is b/c he's the closest we've gotten to Sean Connery since.....well, mother****ing Sean Connery. And, while I'm just getting into the books.....in the middle of CR, I think Connery did seem to display certain aspects of the novel Bond I think.

The point of the matter is that the movie Bond has become a beast all its own. A Bond purist can be as nitpicky as they want. It doesn't change the fact that the movie Bond exists and is recognized as Bond.

 

[DorkyFresh]

it's all a matter of opinion. it's just that the Hollywood Bond that never gets hurt and can effortlessly bag a beautiful lady is the more popular Bond, but that doesn't necessarily make him the "real" Bond...

...but then again, the "real" Bond to one person could be the fake Bond to another...so once again, it's all a matter of opinion.




my opinion is...Casino Royale features the best Bond to date (yes, even better than Connery's).

 

[Jack Napier]

I never had one bad word to say about Craig. I didn't care about the hair color either. How does everyone else out there feel, the ones who supported Craig all along? Is there anyone you say, "I told you so" to?

 

[Kal-El Reeve]

And considering that it was the movie Bond that built the franchise and brought it to the public consciousness then it is entirely possible to have "classic" Bond moments based solely on the films. I understand you have a bias towards the books but it would be ludicrous to assume that the majority of the world's audience is as familiar with them as you are.

Not entirely true. The Bond novels were popular long before Eon made the movies. There was the one hour Playhouse episode based on the story. There was even a comic strip going before Dr. No came out. Even the fact that JFK loved the book From Russia with Love helped catapult the Bond craze in the States. Bond was going long before Connery came along