Ant-Man The Official Ant-Man News and Speculation Thread - Part 1

[fixxxer]

Yea, Lang is pretty much Rhodey to Pym's Stark.

 

[Mr. Dent]

I don't think they'll go the "Hank Pym in the 60s, Scott Lang in present day" route.

Pym would just become a background character to Lang's story and there'd really be no need to mention him again in the MCU. I mean, he'd be at least in his 70s if not 80s today...if he'd even be alive at all.

What a waste of a major Marvel character (and THE major Ant-Man character).

It would be like having a first Ghost Rider film where Johnny Blaze is an old man who gives his power to Danny Ketch, who is then the focus for the majority of the movie and then is the only Ghost Rider for the rest of the potential series.

Why waste Blaze like that? What's the point? Why not just replace Ketch with Johnny and make up a new character to be the old Ghost Rider who can then give Johnny his powers? There's no reason to relegate a major character to a plot device like that.

And it's the same for Pym.

Only here, we're talking about the MCU...where this couldn't be rebooted. Pym would be an old (or dead) man in present day MCU. Period. Hank Pym would never be an Avenger in the cinematic universe.

That would suck.

I really don't think they'd do it.

Pym is not "THE" Ant-Man character. :/

 

[Endeavor]

Pym is not "THE" Ant-Man character. :/

He's the one that matters most, since he's the one that created the technology that made it possible for Ant-Man to exist at all.

 

[Mr. Dent]

Okay, that doesn't mean he's "the" Ant-Man nor does it mean he needs to be the main character in the film to do that.

 

[Endeavor]

Nothing can ever be said to be definitive. Creative licenses can be taken with any character, and often are:

Cyclops can be sidelined and Wolverine made the X-Men field leader.

Mandarin can be a white guy.

Stark didn't HAVE to be Iron Man. The first movie could have been about Rhodes becoming Iron Man after some brief intro about Stark creating the technology (similar to what could happen in Ant-Man).

So yeah, all of these things can and have been done, but that doesn't make them a good idea or even the best option for the characters in question.

 

[Ant-manic]

This is exactly why I've always hated Edgar Wright's vision for Ant-Man. He may have a hard-on for Lang but Hank Pym is the character who really is indispensable to the Marvel Universe.

he's entirely dispensable. Reed Richards knows more about Pym particles than Hank. I can think of at least 3 others that have figured out how the change the size of objects on their own. and it's not like anyone needed Ultron to exist. and, if they did, it would have made more sense for Iron Man to create him. Pym is even less essential in the cinematic universe. I'm not even insulting him by saying this. it's just a universe already full of mad scientists.

Pym's scientific genius is what made Ant-Man so interesting and valuable. Take that away and all you're left with is a guy who can shrink but doesn't even understand the technology he's stolen.

actually Scott did understand the equipment. it's in the origin story. he had read about it in scientific American (or some such title). he was skilled enough to get to the equipment. and he was skilled enough to use it to break into a well-guard building. he was skilled enough to impress Pym. he was skilled enough to take up the mantle with Hank's blessing (and w/o training). Scott was just an electrical engineer at the time of his introduction. but he was always smart enough to understand the "science of ant-man." he has reverse engineered Doom tech. he fixed a time machine. and he has since become a nanotech specialist. he's smarter than you're giving him credit for being.

 

[cherokeesam]

He's the one that matters most, since he's the one that created the technology that made it possible for Ant-Man to exist at all.

Not really.
If you wanted to start actually counting issue for issue, Scott Lang has been "Ant-Man" far more often than Hank Pym. Pym is predominantly cast as Giant-Man.

 

[Endeavor]

Not really.
If you wanted to start actually counting issue for issue, Scott Lang has been "Ant-Man" far more often than Hank Pym. Pym is predominantly cast as Giant-Man.

I never said he's worn the Ant-Man costume the longest. I said Ant-Man exists because of him, and that's why he's the most important.

 

[cherokeesam]

I never said he's worn the Ant-Man costume the longest. I said Ant-Man exists because of him, and that's why he's the most important.

Understood, but I disagree. What's most important is which character is most associated with that particular name. In this case, Lang has a bigger claim to the Ant-Man name than Hank Pym does, by virtue of wearing the costume the longest.

I'd rather see Pym become Giant-Man, the character he's far more associated with. Cornish's script allows for that eventually, even though Giant-Man has never even been discussed in any of the interviews yet.

 

[Huddsy]

Seriously, I'm not looking forward to this if Pym is already old and been Ant-Man for a while and it's Lang taking the suit. To me it would be the first big Mistake Marvel has made, because they're caving to a "hip" director and his love affair of a certain aspect of a story. It's essentially like plopping down in Act 2 of the Ant Man story.

We need Pym first.

 

[Suzanne78]

While I'm a big Pym fan, I actually really like Scott Lang, mostly due to the Fraction/Allred run of FF. Depending on how it's written, I could be down for a Lang-centric Ant-Man. I've even been pondering the idea of Pym as Jan's father, rather than her husband, and she steals the Pym Particles from him to track down Scott Lang after he steals the formula, if that's what happens. That could be an interesting twist.

If Pym's presented differently than what we've been expecting and the MCU decides to go with Scott Lang as the primary Ant-Man, I just don't want to also lose Jan as well. She should have her own story (if not necessarily her own movie), and be recognized as an iconic Avenger.

I've decided to just go with the flow and not be really upset either way. The fact that Marvel's wanting Wright to play in the sandbox and getting Rudd to be a Marvel hero (whoever that will be) is just thrilling for me.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I like Hank and Scott both pretty well and I also like the idea of Hank passing the Ant-Man persona onto Lang while sticking with Giant-Man. NOT a big fan of older Pym, and I hope Rudd is playing Pym rather than Scott.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Why not have Pym as the former Ant-Man, pass the mantle on to Lang, then come out of retirement as Giant-man, or Goliath?

Wouldn't it be great to see Pym, Jan, Scott, and Bill Foster all kicking ass in one movie together?

 

[Mr. Dent]

Nothing can ever be said to be definitive. Creative licenses can be taken with any character, and often are:

Cyclops can be sidelined and Wolverine made the X-Men field leader.

Mandarin can be a white guy.

Stark didn't HAVE to be Iron Man. The first movie could have been about Rhodes becoming Iron Man after some brief intro about Stark creating the technology (similar to what could happen in Ant-Man).

So yeah, all of these things can and have been done, but that doesn't make them a good idea or even the best option for the characters in question.

None of these are apt comparisons when Lang has literally been Ant-Man in the comics 30 years longer than Pym has.

 

[Huddsy]

Why not have Pym as the former Ant-Man, pass the mantle on to Lang, then come out of retirement as Giant-man, or Goliath?

Wouldn't it be great to see Pym, Jan, Scott, and Bill Foster all kicking ass in one movie together?

It doesn't work.

It's like the first Iron Man movie being about Stark battling alcoholism already in his life and then giving his suit over to Rhoadey.

It's like the first Captain America movie, we kill off Steve Rogers and Bucky becomes Cap.

Good stories, but they're not giving justice to the overall arc of the character. Start with Pym. If they're so bent on Lang, bring him in LATER. But you can't have the first AntMan movie and have Pym old having been AntMan for 30 years (how does this fit with the MCU? Fury didn't know about him? Really?). It's like stepping into Act 2 of a 3 Act story.

Pym first. Scott later.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

So glad Rudd got cast, it's going to make this movie fantastic. Plus it will launch him to true Hollywood leading man status which he has deserved for years

 

[Xeno]

he's entirely dispensable.

No, he's not. Without Pym your precious Lang is nothing because he could never have discovered Pym Particles or developed a way to use them on his own. He'd be just another criminal with a sob story, which is really all he ever was anyway.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Scott Lang is an electronics genius who has worked for Stark International before he was a criminal, so he's still something. Not Hank Pym smart, but he's smart.

 

[Ant-manic]

Why not have Pym as the former Ant-Man, pass the mantle on to Lang, then come out of retirement as Giant-man, or Goliath?

that's what works best for me. i think that he'd be more useful to the Avengers as Giant-Man, anyways.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I just think it's cooler having Pym who can both shrink and increase his size. Not one or the other.

 

[Ant-manic]

No, he's not. Without Pym your precious Lang is nothing because he could never have discovered Pym Particles or developed a way to use them on his own.

well then it's a good thing that there are sooo many mad scientists in the marvel universe and so many different way to wind up with powers. you really just have to use your imagination. of course, it's not being Ant-man that makes him special to me. i actually liked him a lot as an employee of Stark Industries. he might have worn the Iron Man armor, at one point; if he hadn't been Ant-man.

 

[Ant-manic]

I just think it's cooler having Pym who can both shrink and increase his size. Not one or the other.

and i think it's redundant because the Wasp shrinks. Do you have a problem with Janet also showing up in an Avengers movie and growing to giant size?

 

[Ant-manic]

It doesn't work.

It's like the first Iron Man movie being about Stark battling alcoholism already in his life and then giving his suit over to Rhoadey.

It's like the first Captain America movie, we kill off Steve Rogers and Bucky becomes Cap.

it's nothing like that. he didn't say that anyone was being killed off. for the analogy to work, bucky's adventure as Captain America would get Steve Rogers to become a superhero again.

Good stories, but they're not giving justice to the overall arc of the character. Start with Pym. If they're so bent on Lang, bring him in LATER. But you can't have the first AntMan movie and have Pym old having been AntMan for 30 years (how does this fit with the MCU? Fury didn't know about him? Really?). It's like stepping into Act 2 of a 3 Act story.

Pym first. Scott later.

i can think of many reasons why Pym wouldn't have been known by Fury. Ant-man is kind of a low profile identity. and i wouldn't want Pym to be old. but you realize that he's quite ancient in the books. he was active during the Cold War. he was in his 40s (generously) when he met Scott Lang. and who made the rule about having to start at the beginning of the story? you've never seen the Mask of Zorro? maybe if they had eschewed that formula, Green Lantern wouldn't have sucked.

 

[Ant-manic]

Seriously, I'm not looking forward to this if Pym is already old and been Ant-Man for a while and it's Lang taking the suit. To me it would be the first big Mistake Marvel has made, because they're caving to a "hip" director and his love affair of a certain aspect of a story. It's essentially like plopping down in Act 2 of the Ant Man story.

We need Pym first.

you know what would be a huge mistake? Marvel telling Wright, the only guy interesting in doing an Ant-Man movie, what to do. forcing him to alter his story to appeal to some anonymous messageboard poster. does that kind of editorial interference ever work? Wright might be using Pym (and only Pym), for all we know. why not just let him tell his story?

 

[Ant-manic]

I never said he's worn the Ant-Man costume the longest. I said Ant-Man exists because of him, and that's why he's the most important.

Ant-Man exists because of Stan Lee and Larry Lieber. it was adapted from an earlier story, in which another person was shrunken and had to fight his way out of an anthill. that character could have been anyone.