The Official Batman (1989) Thread - Part 3

[the5timechamp]

In regards to the death of the Waynes.. I think it was well done in Bats '89 but used in a superior manner in Batman Begins. I don't have issue with Joker killing the Waynes because I accept certain things in service of the story (I dont accept ice skates in batmans boots but thats another argument)

I like the execution in Batman Begins not because the scene is "better" but because the film actually builds to the moment the tragedy happens. The falling in the well and having Thomas Wayne pull him out is good in service of the story, but what really sells it is the shot of Thomas carrying Bruce in with Alfred at the base of the stairs and his mother coming down to check on him...something about the framing just sells the cohesion and "love" in the household. By the time Bruce is in the theater begging to leave I can feel the dread for the inevitable tragedy that has to happen. It nails the landing too, cause when Bruce breaks down to Alfred with the "Its all my fault Alfred, if I hadn't gotten scared"..it gets me...every time.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

In regards to the death of the Waynes.. I think it was well done in Bats '89 but used in a superior manner in Batman Begins. I don't have issue with Joker killing the Waynes because I accept certain things in service of the story (I dont accept ice skates in batmans boots but thats another argument)

I like the execution in Batman Begins not because the scene is "better" but because the film actually builds to the moment the tragedy happens. The falling in the well and having Thomas Wayne pull him out is good in service of the story, but what really sells it is the shot of Thomas carrying Bruce in with Alfred at the base of the stairs and his mother coming down to check on him...something about the framing just sells the cohesion and "love" in the household. By the time Bruce is in the theater begging to leave I can feel the dread for the inevitable tragedy that has to happen. It nails the landing too, cause when Bruce breaks down to Alfred with the "Its all my fault Alfred, if I hadn't gotten scared"..it gets me...every time.

I'd have appreciated more the building up hadn't Thomas Wayne played the same key over and over. He cannot be anything but comprehensive and calm and displaying wisdom all around. Not even when he was dying could he display any different emotion or be anything different than calm and wise. He even built a monorail for Gotham. The movie was screaming that a tragedy couldn't be any more tragic if it happened to anyone but Thomas Wayne. The man couldn't even give his wife a birthday gift without asking his beloved son first.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

I'm not sure why the joker witnessing wayne's parents death was ever considered a plot idea for them? It just still seems forced like the only reason batman would hate the joker was due to a personal connection?

Every time someone hates someone else there's a personal thing going on.

And the creepy uncle reference was more so how about his age and appearance as well.

I don't know, uncles vary in looks from uncle to uncle. As they vary in age as well.

Nicholson was always going to play Nicholson when he was cast i just think the Nicholson we got was a little too long in the tooth (and wide in the gut) to work for the joker.

Nicholson was chosen precisely because he had the Joker personality going on. Not the first time in history an actor is chosen because of his charisma. Like Robert Downey Jr as Tony Stark, for example. Or Michael Caine as Alfred.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I'd have appreciated more the building up hadn't Thomas Wayne played the same key over and over. He cannot be anything but comprehensive and calm and displaying wisdom all around. Not even when he was dying could he display any different emotion or be anything different than calm and wise. He even built a monorail for Gotham. The movie was screaming that a tragedy couldn't be any more tragic if it happened to anyone but Thomas Wayne. The man couldn't even give his wife a birthday gift without asking his beloved son first.

Almost every Nolan/Goyer written character is saintly. MOS having the worst culprits.

I swear, the friggin porpoise from Batman 66 is what inspired all this.

"Gosh, Batman. The nobility of the almost human porpoise"

"True, Robin. It was noble of that animal to hurl itself in the path of that final torpedo. ..he gave his life, for ours..

They saw this and implied it to every other character. I'm sure of it

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

hard to believe this movie is going to turn 25 years old next year!

even though i already own the 20th anniversary blu-ray, i would double dip for a 25th anniversary version if it includes brand spanking new interviews with Michael Keaton. he was sorely missed in the 2009 version. even Jack Nicholson did an interview.

 

[ThePhantasm]

They saw this and implied it to every other character. I'm sure of it

But see it adds a depth of meaning to the story. Every character's life has a porpoise. No life is meaningless.

 

[regwec]

I have never owned a porpoise.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I'm sure one day you will find your porpoise, regwec.

 

[regwec]

I might settle for a tortoise. They are smaller, so I could keep one in secret in my flat. And they mainly eat salad.

 

[Rodrigo90]

 

[Ponyboy]

But see it adds a depth of meaning to the story. Every character's life has a porpoise. No life is meaningless.

Phew. Now I feel better. A'COURSE... that might not do any good, you see nobody's missing a porpoise, it's a dolphin that's been taken. The common harbour porpoise has an abrupt snout, pointed teeth, and a triangular thoracic fin. While the bottle-nose dolphin, or Tursiops truncates, has an elongated beak, round cone shaped teeth, and a serrated dorsal appendage. But I'm sure you already knew that! Thaaaaat's what turns me on about 'cha. Your attention to detail.

 

[Mister Meddle]

 

[Mister Meddle]

Boring day, just going through Google. I found some neat images from some blog called Nolan X Burton Experiment.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Sweet

 

[regwec]

Heh, those are great. Would love to see Heath Ledger as Jack Napier, or Gary Oldman's Gordon at Axis Chemicals.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Boring day, just going through Google. I found some neat images from some blog called Nolan X Burton Experiment.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

the Joker pics are awesome. both Jack & heath fit perfectly into those shots

 

[Senator Pleasury]

Brilliant pictures there.

 

[Bruce Malone]

In some bizarre alternate universe the ledger joker is just the younger version of the nicholson joker.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I swear I saw Nicholson from The Shining in Heath's performance.

 

[regwec]

Heath's Joker had a little bit of everything. He was like a bag of all-sorts.

 

[Two-Face]

Those pictures are great!

I like the one Nicholson's Joker in the police car.

 

[Kane52630]

http://kane52630.tumblr.com/post/54890366968/crime-alley-batman-1989-batman-1989-x

 

[ThePhantasm]

One of my favorite scenes in B89.

 

[ShaneHelms]

Nice. I have never seen these.

 

[Ponyboy]

Cool stuff Kane, but how come the aspect ratio is screwy on all of them?