The Official Batman Returns Thread - Part 3

[Stu]

http://m.weheartit.com/entry/142111506/in-set/31806485-catwoman?context_user=LuxuryQueen72&page=2:

 

[Two-Face]

Awesome!

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

 

[Greens]

My Christmas ritual is to watch Batman Returns every year.

It's still awesome. Might be the best score Danny Elfman has ever done.

 

[BrollySupersj]

What a way to start off a Batman film. With mutant freako baby penguin eating a defenseless cat. Idk how that didn't brother me as a kid. Now it does, I'm just like...no, not the cat.

Must be the cat lover in me.

 

[Irony-Man]

My Christmas ritual is to watch Batman Returns every year.

It's still awesome. Might be the best score Danny Elfman has ever done.

Mine too. Just watched it Friday night. Still my favourite Batman movie.

 

[Mace Dolex]

Morning, Naked Bat.

I agree. It's clear that Burton shaped his Batman after the Phantom of the Opera (the opera house here being Gotham City, I think). At first we see just a shadow and the rumors about him, then we slowly start learning more about him.

I compare the Batmobile and Batcave scene to the moment in which the Phantom takes Christine to his hideout. It is romantic, mystic, mysterious. Vicky gets that this "bat," this monster everyone talks about is something else. And she gets more obsessed about taking his mask and see what's behind.

Cheers.

Dude, you should write screenplays or something, that is some deep stuff.

 

[schereZada]

yeah, there is definitely something similar. I like how Burton made Batman a urban legend at first. It's amazing. He used the visuals to make something unique and unforgettable.

Hi, Naked Bat. That's one of the things I like about Burton, how he uses visuals as part of the narration. Not everything is verbally explained.

Dude, you should write screenplays or something, that is some deep stuff.

Hi, Mace Dolex. Why, thank you. Never tried that myself. Anyways, you can see that easily when you know Burton's love for classic horror movies. That shot where Batman turns around and walks, on top of Axis chemicals, screamed "Phantom op the Opera" to me when I was a child. Btw, I'm more of a dudette, actually. Cheers.

 

[Stu]

https://m.facebook.com/ArtByLeeHoward?_rdr:

 

[Stu]

Sry for the double post, but this guy re-cut BR into a silent film, and he said he'll delete the link after Christmas and only post again next Christmastime, so....

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/tbmr/Batman+Returns.mp4

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[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Sry for the double post, but this guy re-cut BR into a silent film, and he said he'll delete the link after Christmas and only post again next Christmastime, so....

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/tbmr/Batman+Returns.mp4

= )

That's amazing.

 

[Decepticonus]

I owned it on VHS as a kid, and the last time I watched it was when I was probably in middle school after Batman & Robin but long before Batman Begins. I liked it growing up, I don't mind the dark atmosphere at all. Though after the years looking at it I re-examined it, for I had watched it enough to remember it scene for scene. I watched it again recently for the first time in probably over a decade with Kevin Smith's commentary. HILARIOUS and insightful. I wish I had quotes of his here.

This is NOT a movie. There are acts - yes. There are characters - yes. But no real plot, no narrative. What is driving us to the end of the movie. And it is a bit impossible to sympathize with these characters.
Burton it seems tries to hold up Penguin as a character we should feel sorry for but I never really did. One, he ate the ****ing cat. That always upset me as a child. I mean come on people - that was written. Mutant baby eats cat and parents look onward as meh. Then all of his sexual innuendo, dick jokes and down right determination to get laid. How dare you turn me down Catwoman now I kill you. And he wants to kill children. I for don't have or care for kids but I cannot get behind this. If his parents were still alive and he wanted to kill them - OK, fair game I guess. But other people's kids who did nothing to you are off limits.

And Penguin paints how this film lacks any real narrative. I want to come to the surface, find my parents and hopefully be accepted by people. Um OK sure. You want me to be mayor, OK sure I'll be mayor. Is that needed? Oh now I want to frame Batman and kill him, whatever. OK that all failed now I reveal my plan to kill the first born sons. So this was your plan all along? OK that failed too now I will just blow up Gotham. Ugh, really?!?
Structure? Coherence? Anything here? NO!

I'm staying on Penguin since it's his movie not Batman. Because Batman Returns to his movie about every 15 - 20 minutes. But honestly, I do not mind a dark interpretation of Penguin I am for it. The Arkham games were dark, Earth-One kind of. But as mentioned in the commentary Penguins are not dirty birds, you usually think birds dressed in nice evening ware. Why the horrible sexual jokes? Is he in the right movie? Did they read the source material (as far as Burton is concerned, no). They referred to him perfectly as a "poon hound". Walking around as an egg in the onesie looked ridiculous. He bites a man's nose, he says "I want to fill her void" and refers to his dick as an umbrella. In one line he talks about blowing off (no, not the sexual kind) children's genitalia.
I didn't mind the deformed freak living in the sewers, with flipper like hands as this urban legend. I think that can be used. Maybe do the first two points of return to the surface and becoming mayor, maybe he sees this as his way to be accepted. But his social skills suck. Hence, they reject him and he turns on them. Leave out killing kids and dick jokes. The TAS Birds of a Feather would serve as good inspiration for this.
May I suggest a different actor? To me it just seemed like DeVito playing DeVito. I dunno I'll go ahead and end here.

 

[Dave McFly]

I still play this from time to time via my SNES emulator

[YT]LOKh-ceis9I[/YT]

 

[batfreakforever]

People over analyze everything way too much these days. Its just sickening. Especially when it comes to movies. I've just given up on reading other people's reviews on movies because most reviews are crap and are usually pretentious dribble. Batman Returns is a Batman film and to say its not is just mind boggling.

 

[Decepticonus]

People over analyze everything way too much these days. Its just sickening. Especially when it comes to movies. I've just given up on reading other people's reviews on movies because most reviews are crap and are usually pretentious dribble. Batman Returns is a Batman film and to say its not is just mind boggling.

But it's not, the film is barely centered around Batman.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

But it's not, the film is barely centered around Batman.

In your opinion. Just as it is the opinion of me (and many others) that it is very much a Batman film.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Keaton looks crazy huge on this magazine cover:

Burton getting in there before the critics.

http://www.1989batman.com/2014/12/vintage-magazine-article-starburst.html

 

[Decepticonus]

In your opinion. Just as it is the opinion of me (and many others) that it is very much a Batman film.

It's more of just a Burton film using a Batman license.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

It's more of just a Burton film using a Batman license.

In your opinion. Just as it is the opinion of me (and many others) that it is very much a Batman film using a Batman license.

 

[Leenie]

I still play this from time to time via my SNES emulator

[YT]LOKh-ceis9I[/YT]

I freaking love this game. My favorite thing to come from Batman Returns, to be honest.

 

[The Joker]

Until the Arkham games came along that BR game on the SNES was the best Batman game. I still play it to this day. The fight moves are brutal; body slams, head butts, smashing thugs up against walls and windows, slamming their heads together etc. And the game does variations of the Elfman soundtrack as part of the game music.

 

[Travesty]

I still think B89 on NES is the best Batman game to this day. But BR on SNES is cool, too.

 

[Doc Ock]

Batman Returns was a pretty good game, I thought The Adventures of Batman & Robin was pretty good too. It's hard to find on Genesis/Mega-Drive and SNES these days.

I got myself Batman 89 for NES despite not having a NES yet.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Until the Arkham games came along that BR game on the SNES was the best Batman game. I still play it to this day. The fight moves are brutal; body slams, head butts, smashing thugs up against walls and windows, slamming their heads together etc. And the game does variations of the Elfman soundtrack as part of the game music.

What's great is that, although the Arkham games are clearly the pinnacle, Batman actually has had a good rep in video game land. B89 on NES/Genesis, BR on SNES/Genesis, B:TAS on GB, Adventures of Batman/Robin on SNES/Genesis, Batman Begins...

I'd actually say that Batman's mostly had greaty games, handful of average, and only a few awful ones.

 

[Travesty]

Yeah, I was telling someone that Batman's had some pretty good games throughout the years. They were trying to tell me that they all sucked until the Arkham games, but he's had a lot of great ones, some mediocre ones, and then of course, some bad ones. But the Arkham series wasn't the first good Batman games.

Superman, on the other hand, has had some horrible games.