Discussion in 'Batman World' started by BatmanRules33, Apr 9, 2005.
to this day, Kidman has never looked better than she did in Batman Forever. just gorgeous!
Kilmer always looked good in the bat suit, above his eyes scream Batman to me, it's too bad his performance didn't do the same.
Lol when I was a kid I thought Kilmer looked just like Keaton in the suit. Same eye color, same mouth and chin, strikingly similar cowl.
Kilmer was great, I watch this movie every few months and most of it still holds up. For the most part its a pretty good movie, aside from a few silly parts made for kids, but i still love it. Especially for the nostalgia.
I thought they did Dick's origin pretty well actually
Oh and the score!!! I still love it
Man what a sick suit.
Nicole Kidman. . Her bedroom scene in the movie was the first time a girl made my wee tingle when I was little.
I hate the nipples. But the rest of the suit is pretty cool. Love the longer bat ears.
I also quite like the golden yellow of the Bat-symbol.
Wait, when you say "Prototype Sonar Batsuit", are you referring to in the movie where it was a prototype that Bruce hadn't tested, or do you mean the one in Bale's screentest was the production team's first go at it (and that's why it's black)?
If not, I guess they let Nolan's team paint it black.
EDIT: I'm not sure I'm saying that right.
I prefer the Red Book Edition of the film, but the film itself is a good film. Not excellent, not terrible. It's a bit more campy than I'd like and Two-Face should have backed off some of the "crazy" and make it more subtle like when he was first threatening that Nerdy Bank guy in the beginning. The thing I loved the most was that Batman and Robin were finally on the big screen for the first time after years of attempts of putting him in Batman 1989 and Batman Returns (of which I enjoyed the Sam Hamm script with Robin a hell of alot better than what actually came out)
The one from the movie forever yes.
Lol, that smile looks so horrendous and cheesy with that mean looking cowl.
That picture is a perfect synthesis of the movie: dark but kid-friendly.
That picture doesn't show any darkness.
Funny, I see a black mask and all dark around. Doesn't mean it works.
Here's how I would rate the live action films. Batman, a 6, Batman Returns, 10, Batman Begins, 8, The Dark Knight, 8, and The Dark Knight Rises, a 9.
And then there's Batman Forever. I believe it's a unfair to lump this in with Batman&Robin. That is infamous for being total crap, but if you watch Forever, with all it's flaws, which I don't deny there are, it bears little resemblance to it's craptacular sequel. Why? First off, there are actual characters here, and a story which holds them together. First, Val Kilmer as Wayne/Batman. Say what you want about some of his dialogue, of which there really is only but a few which are truly groan inducing, I really felt for his fascinating portrayal as a man deeply in pain by his trauma and his wish to escape it and find some semblance of of happiness. And in costume, he just has the presence that I bought as being Batman, something I feel Bale lacked sometimes when he was in the costume.
Then there's Chase Meridian and Dick Grayson. The former actually felt like she contributed to the character of Batman, whereas Vicky Vale and Rachael Dawes sorta felt like they were thrown in to simply have a female character in the films. And unlike those two, Kidman and Kilmer had actual chemistry together. Then there's Robin. Yes, he's too old, no argument here. Aside from that though, I feel he does a really great job of being a mirror to Bruce, before he committed to his crusade and lost any semblance of normality and happiness in his own life. Plus, I just believe if Robin were to ever be introduced in live action, this was pretty much the best way it could be done, without film focusing more on Robin then Batman.
Before I move on the the biggest problems with the film, first let me comment on the look and feel of it. Most people are bothered by the over the top neon and campiness of the film. Yes, it's it overdone, but I feel for the most part, it serves it's purpose well. I feel that the neon and gaudiness represents Gotham's garishness and decadence, like Las Vegas on steroids. As for the camp, I'd just like to say the other films had it as well, just not to this extent. Batman Returns had rocket penguins, Begins had bad gangster clique Falcone, Knight had the Russian ad all his lines, and Rises had Bane. I'm not saying they are all equal, just that none are free from it entirely, and at least Forever had some purpose behind it. Remember, Forever was just on the heels of Returns, which was extremely criticized for being too dark.
Now for what most people feel is this films biggest problems, the villains. yes, Two face IS pretty much indefensible, although he did have one or two decent scenes, like the circus. Luckily, I feel the Riddler makes up for it. Sure, a lot of the time it's just Jim Carrey being Jim Carrey but often there's a tragic and subtle menace to his character's obsession with Wayne and his overall narcissism, words which I feel perfectly encapsulate the Riddler as a character.
And I would just like to add, I feel this film has one of the best scenes of any Batman film, namely Bruce's flashback to the cave. So, with these thoughts, perhaps another look could be had to this, I feel, is an underrated iteration of Batman. Thanks for your time.
^So how would you rate BF?
Take away the glossy gleam I actually really like the sonar suit. Nolan must have too seeing as its pretty damn close to the Begins one!
I quite liked the glossiness of it. To be fair, the reason it seemed to have a glossy shine to it is because the suit was essentially silver. So, strangely enough, Schumacher gave us the closest interpretation to a grey Batsuit out of all the live-action films.
It's a sharp suit. It looked really great in some shots and I love all of the design elements, even the lines on his head. I just wish the cowl wasn't so damn stiff and big.
Some good pics:
And here's one that demonstrates the oversize cowl which literally makes him look like an action figure:
I've always had a soft spot for the sonar suit. I'm currently catching up with the Injustice web comic (damn good read BTW) and I'm getting a huge kick out of Batman's suit in that story looking very similar to the sonar suit dipped in black.
A serious Tommy Lee Jones Two Face could have been something spectacular. That is the only thing that really annoys me about this film.