The Official Batman Forever Thread - Part 2

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DarthDaveBanner said:
A serious Tommy Lee Jones Two Face could have been something spectacular. That is the only thing that really annoys me about this film.
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Yeah, it's a crying shame. They got his origin nearly right but completely failed with his characterization. I liked that he embraced the whole dual personality thing, but it was too silly overall. He was essentially just a cackling lackey to Riddler...who was also a cackling buffoon.
 
Cackling buffoon is actually an accurate description of the comics Two-Face before the 90s. And flipping the coin to get the right result is, too.
 
Gunther Revenge said:
And flipping the coin to get the right result is, too.
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I've thought of the interesting perspective changer - if Two-Face is flipping his coin for the three people in Wayne Manor. Flipping for Alfred, Chase and finally Bruce, who gets the murder approval. Probably not, but there's the idea anyway.
 
While I like the Sonar suit as is, I still wish they had gone with black like they originally intended. It looks damn good in black as seen in the footage from the movie Looney Tunes: Back In Action and the Christian Bale screen test.

Here is a photo from the front of my original production made Sonar cowl, made for the movie but never used for filming. It is unpainted which is why it's black/grey.

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Awesome. I still have a 12 inch Sonar Suit figure on display in my bedroom.

Out of curiosity am I the only one that has a soft spot for the Batmobile in this movie?
 
I saw that Batmobile in person at The Tumbler Tour and that thing is very impressive.
 
I saw it at a live show once too, maybe that is why I like it so much! Not as classic as the Furst-mobile but still a beauty.
 
AnneFan said:
I've thought of the interesting perspective changer - if Two-Face is flipping his coin for the three people in Wayne Manor. Flipping for Alfred, Chase and finally Bruce, who gets the murder approval. Probably not, but there's the idea anyway.
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Alfred was knocked out at the door, and the Riddler's plan was to kidnap Chase anyway. The only conclusion is that Two-Face kept flipping his coin for Bruce, and its funny...but it also goes against the nature of the character.

When I first saw Aaron Eckhart do it in "The Dark Knight", I cringed...until he revealed the second toss was for Maroni's driver.
 
That scene was the most ridiculous moment in the film, and completely unneeded.

Here's some of my favorite lines from the movie...

"One man is born a hero, his brother a coward. Babies starve, politicians grow fat, holy men are martyred, and junkies grow legion. Why?...Luck!!! Blind, stupid, simple doo-dah clueless luck!!!" (Two-Face)

"There, deep in the shadows, I saw...it was coming toward me. I was scared at first, but only at first. The figure in the dark was my destiny; it would change my life forever. I would use its image to strike terror into the hearts of those who did evil. I would ensure what happened to me would never happen to anyone else again. I would have my revenge." (Bruce Wayne)

"Kill the bat! Sounds like a good idea, but have you thought it through? A few bullets, a quick splash of blood, and then what? Wet hands, post-homicidal depression...why not humiliate him first? Expose his frailties, and then when he is at his weakest...crush him!" (The Riddler)
 
I thought it was a great and enjoyable scene as a kid and still to this day, the film's tone is supposed to be fun and personally I liked the joke and so did a lot of other people.
 
Actually, regarding Batman the tone was supposed to be more serious than that, leaving this comedy to the villains.
 
Senator Pleasury said:
Actually, regarding Batman the tone was supposed to be more serious than that, leaving this comedy to the villains.
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The tone of Batman Forever was to be a family friendly and FUN experience for all, yes the character of Batman is supposed to be serious I'm referring to the tone of the film itself.

It's not the first time Batman himself had a comedic remark in a film, Keaton had them in 89 " You weigh a little bit more than 108" and in BR when in the batmobile chase "Ok now I'm a little worried". Even in the comics or BTAS Batman says funny remarks or small jokes once in a while.
 
The scene in question was clearly meant to be a callback to the Adam West series and the way Batman and Robin famously communicated with each other. Cheesy? Of course, but that was the tone Schumacher's movies. Batman smiling from ear-to-ear while in the suit was much, much worse IMO.
 
That scene never bothered me. It's one of the few moments where the humor worked. As I recall it also got the biggest laugh at the drive-in theater I saw it in back in '95'.
 
Senator Pleasury said:
Well, this is a movie where Batman feels intimidated by a bimbo.
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Chase was far from a bimbo, being a professional criminal psychologist. That made her the perfect ally and love interest for Bruce, due to his constantly-tortured nature.

On the whole, I think the 1989 original and "Forever" both struck a great balance between darkness and fun. "Returns" swung completely to the psychotic side, while "Batman & Robin" went to extreme camp.
 
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