Batman Forever The Official Batman Forever Thread - Part 2

[StarLord]

Jim Carrey was on Howard Stern promoting Dumb and Dumber To, and talked briefly about his time on Batman Forever with Tommy Lee Jones.

"I was really looking forward to working with Tommy, but he was a little crusty. I think he was just a little freaked out because 'Dumb and Dumber' came out on the same weekend as [his movie] 'Cobb,' and 'Cobb' was his big swing for the fences and that didn't work out and that freaked him out a bit."

"I walked into a restaurant the night before our big scene in The Riddler's lair and [Tommy was there]. I went up to say hi and the blood drained from his face, in such a way that I realized that I had become the face of his pain. He got up, kind of shaking, hugged me and said 'I hate you. I really don't like you.' And I was like 'Wow, ok. Well, what's going on man?' And he said, 'I cannot sanction your buffoonery.' He did not want to work with me."

 

[Naked Shia]

nobody liked noone on the batman forever set.

 

[elgaz]

Jim Carrey was on Howard Stern promoting Dumb and Dumber To, and talked briefly about his time on Batman Forever with Tommy Lee Jones.

"I cannot sanction your buffoonery" ............ LOL

I can just imagine Jones saying that with his trademark drawl. That might be my new sig

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Yeah... the Batman Forever set was one frosty place.

I can see how somebody would find it hard to work with Carrey during the mid-90's when he was at his most maniacal.

Between Kilmer, TLJ and Carrey... that's alot of egos fighting it out for dominance.

 

[AnneFan]

Indeed. I believe Tommy Lee Jones publically denied there was tension at the time and that he was concerned about Carrey upstaging him and dominating the film.

Carrey made this comment in the August 1995 issue of Empire:

"Tommy Lee Jones is an amazing actor but he scared the hell out of me. He's a pain in the ass, basically, in the sense that he is not somebody that you want to hang out with too long. He is a complex, troubled individual and that is basically where he is at. It was like two rams smashing into each other; it was kinetic and interesting."

 

[TMC1982]

Yeah... the Batman Forever set was one frosty place.

I can see how somebody would find it hard to work with Carrey during the mid-90's when he was at his most maniacal.

Between Kilmer, TLJ and Carrey... that's alot of egos fighting it out for dominance.

Looking back, it's astonishing how the original Batman film franchise was done in by (in no small part) ego problems. I'm including the Tim Burton era from Jack Nicholson's outrageous demands in order to play the Joker, to Tim Burton's insistence for full-creative control on Batman Returns, to Michael Keaton walking out on the series after Returns. Then of course, when we go to Batman & Robin (in which Warner Bros. seemed more interested in selling toys than making a quality product), is when the wheels totally fell off.

 

[Naked Shia]

Burton was right to demand full creative control. It wasn't a matter of ego, but of creativity.

 

[TMC1982]

Burton was right to demand full creative control. It wasn't a matter of ego, but of creativity.

Yeah, but the end result was a movie that pretty much alienated parents/sponsors and left most viewers feeling cold and empty. Had Tim Burton tried to compromised himself like he did w/ the 1989 film (and not go all out w/ the vulgarity, weirdness for the sake of being weird, and bitterness), then in all likelihood, Warner Bros. wouldn't have felt inclined to hire Joel Schumacher in hopes of making a safer, more commercially friendly and marketable product.

 

[Naked Shia]

it's not weird for the sake of being weird. I know you hate batman returns, I've been reading your posts about it, and I don't agree with your stance. Still, you have the right to think that. I, for one, I'm glad Burton stood up for what he thought was right for this movie. It has a real identity, it's visually stunning, and it's still very much a batman movie.

 

[Two-Face]

Jim Carrey was on Howard Stern promoting Dumb and Dumber To, and talked briefly about his time on Batman Forever with Tommy Lee Jones.

Well That's Jones now I don't know him personally but I think he would say something like this. Val Kilmer didn't get on set too if I remember correctly.

 

[Goshdarn Batman]

It has a real identity, it's visually stunning, and it's still very much a batman movie.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I'm including the Tim Burton era from Jack Nicholson's outrageous demands in order to play the Joker

While I'm sure Jack put the producers through hell working out a contract, he was one of the biggest stars in the world at that time and instantly bought the film some serious clout just by having his name attached.

Tim Burton has since stated that once Jack committed to the picture he was 100% dedicated. Fully supportive of the director (even one so young) and friendly with all the actors (Both he and Keaton are still friends to this day).

Difficult to get, but once you get him, he's entirely professional and courteous. Nothing like Tommy Lee Jones.

 

[Kane52630]

http://kane52630.tumblr.com/post/102457652319/batman-anthology-1989-1997

 

[Young Superman]

I just watched BF for the first time in a long time, and I forgot that Val was in such good shape when he plated Bruce/Batman. Also Forgot how cool the sonic suit and Batmobile looked.

 

[schereZada]

Indeed. I believe Tommy Lee Jones publically denied there was tension at the time and that he was concerned about Carrey upstaging him and dominating the film.

Carrey made this comment in the August 1995 issue of Empire:

"Tommy Lee Jones is an amazing actor but he scared the hell out of me. He's a pain in the ass, basically, in the sense that he is not somebody that you want to hang out with too long. He is a complex, troubled individual and that is basically where he is at. It was like two rams smashing into each other; it was kinetic and interesting."

Hi there, AnneFan.

This reminds me of a time when Barry Sonnenfld said in an interview that while making Men in Black, he learned actors could be difficult and sensitive if you told them what to do. And then he told this time when Tommy had to say "Put up your arms and all your flippers." He did the shot, but he was trying too hard to sound funny, so Sonnenfeld approached and told him something like 'you see, the line is absurd. I think it's gonna be funnier if you say it really serious, straight-faced serious." And Tommy stared at him like he was gonna kill him right there.

Cheers.

 

[TMC1982]

10 Overlooked Positives Of Batman Forever

Spoiler

10. Val Kilmer’s Batman:
http://whatculture.com/film/10-overlooked-positives-batman-forever.php /2

9. The Action:
http://whatculture.com/film/10-overlooked-positives-batman-forever.php /3

8. It’s Like An Episode Of The TV Show:
http://whatculture.com/film/10-overlooked-positives-batman-forever.php /4

7. The Riddler’s Zoot Suits:
http://whatculture.com/film/10-overlooked-positives-batman-forever.php /5

6. The Flashback Sequences:
http://whatculture.com/film/10-overlooked-positives-batman-forever.php /6

5. Arkham Asylum:
http://whatculture.com/film/10-overlooked-positives-batman-forever.php /7

4. The Comic Book Adaptation:
http://whatculture.com/film/10-overlooked-positives-batman-forever.php /8

3. Michael Gough’s Alfred:
http://whatculture.com/film/10-overlooked-positives-batman-forever.php /9

2. Unsanctionable Buffoonery:
http://whatculture.com/film/10-overlooked-positives-batman-forever.php /10

1. At Least It’s Not Batman And Robin:
http://whatculture.com/film/10-overlooked-positives-batman-forever.php /11

 

[BlueLightning]

The article lost me on the first item.

 

[schereZada]

10. Val Kilmer’s Batman. I'm not sure. He was good but also very wooden as both Batman and Bruce.

9. The Action. Sure, it was good.

8. It’s Like An Episode Of The TV Show. And this is a positive... how?

7. The Riddler’s Zoot Suits. And this is a positive... how?

6. The Flashback Sequences. The flashbacks were good, but they focused a lot on Bruce's father diary and nothing happened with it.

5. Arkham Asylum. For those few seconds, yes.

4. The Comic Book Adaptation. That's not the movie.

3. Michael Gough’s Alfred. That's a positive for all the Batman movies he was in, Batman & Robin included.

2. Unsanctionable Buffoonery. This is about the exchange between Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones. No the movie.

1. At Least It’s Not Batman And Robin. Lol, most of movies are not.

The article lost me on the first item.

I go the vibe that in the end this article was just something to kill time, not something too serious. :/

 

[BlueLightning]

I went and read all the article. It is not a very good written piece of work. They are advocating for this film with half-hearted attempts to justify many criticized aspects of the film. I browsed the site for a while, and most of the articles have more or less the same quality of "half-bakedeness" in them.

 

[Kane52630]

Yeah whatculture is pretty terrible.

 

[DigificWriter]

It's been 20 years since Batman Forever's release, and it's sad that the film remains as underrated as it is, especially since it really is the perfect conclusion to the story that Tim Burton started in Batman '89.

 

[Mace Dolex]

nobody liked noone on the batman forever set.

It's a testament to how convincing these actors can be because I could hardly tell watching the movie that there was any tension on set.

 

[Naked Shia]

this is true. I, for one, really like batman forever, even though it would have been miles better if some of the deleted scenes were in the movie. People don't give enough credit to how bold it is, and how it has its own identity, which wasn't easy after the burton movies.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

The movie barely got any love on it's 20th anniversary. It's criminally underrated and forever tarnished by Batman & Robin.

It was the first BATMAN movie I ever saw in the cinema at five years old, so for that it'll always be a special movie for me. Despite any flaws it has and the blatant studio manipulation it contains, it was still the perfect blend of character, romance, action and good old 90's excess.

So yes, while it has now become a true product of it's time, that shouldn't mean it doesn't hold some enjoyment for the modern viewer. If ANY Batman movie deserves a re-examination... it's this one!

 

[Naked Shia]

I agree. also, you're younger than me haha